Catholicism Examined

[Douay]

The post you made was ridiculous and only someone mentally ill could come to such conclusions.

[Douay]

They go to confession to profess thier sin to man.

And I guess you telepathically confess your sins to our Lord Jesus Christ right????

Tell me something:

If Jesus Christ is God and God is omniscient (knows everything), then why you need to telepathically confess your sins to God if He already knows which ones are your sins????.

If Jesus Christ instituted confession via telepathy, why the Bible says:

"If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (Jn 20:23) ????

If Jesus gives to the disciples the power to forgive sins (hence, the biblical method of confession), how that system relates to the "telepathic confession" one???. Let's say one person confesses a sin to a disciple and the disciple does not forgive the sin but then the very same person confesses the very same sin telepathically......: is the sin forgiven or isn't according to Scripture???.

Mobile, I think you may have missed the point. All that they were doing was trying to throw an insult at us. I am not going to name the name of that person since it is an oxymoron when compared with that behavior. They go to confession to profess their sins to man. Now you must realize that that statement isn't entirely accurate. You know that the Catholic teaching is that the priest is simply a placeholder and that we are confessing our sins to God, or at least that is what Sister Marcia taught us when I was 8 or so. If you know how a Catholic confession goes it starts with a profession of sins, then an act of contrition, "Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of Hell, but most of all I firmly resolve with the help of thy grace to confess my sins, do penace, and amend my life. Amen." Ok, where did that involve a man? Was that not directed to God? OH MY GOD I HEARTILY SORRY SOR HAVING OFFENDED THEE. There is hardly any attack on us that is not baseless. At the heart of it you must realize that we meet all of their requirements for salvation. We confess our sins to God, we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and saviour. But there are other things that we believe in, too. Why do they deem it necessary to attack those beliefs? If the only ones that matter are believe in Jesus, confess sins to God, get baptised, why would it hurt to do more? We do everything that they thinks it takes. Where is the problem? I know it is a much deeper question than most are prepared to answer. Is it that you know there is more? If not, then why worry about it?

[refugepsa91]

They go to confession to profess thier sin to man.

And I guess you telepathically confess your sins to our Lord Jesus Christ right????

Tell me something:

If Jesus Christ is God and God is omniscient (knows everything), then why you need to telepathically confess your sins to God if He already knows which ones are your sins????.

If Jesus Christ instituted confession via telepathy, why the Bible says:

"If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (Jn 20:23) ????

If Jesus gives to the disciples the power to forgive sins (hence, the biblical method of confession), how that system relates to the "telepathic confession" one???. Let's say one person confesses a sin to a disciple and the disciple does not forgive the sin but then the very same person confesses the very same sin telepathically......: is the sin forgiven or isn't according to Scripture???.

well all I have to say is I hope that a mere person is not in charge of a person being forgiven by God. I can tell you that there are some people that I am having a hard time forgiving....but I pray whether I forgive them or not God will...and I know there are some who may not have forgiven me for past happenings...does that mean that since they don't forgive me that God does not forgive me?!? Now this is an honest question...if there are people out there who hold grudges against us...does that mean that we can't be forgiven by God?

Love and Blessings,

Angel

First I'de like to say....be nice ok? :il: Attacking someones mental stability is just plain cruel. And that goes for both sides.

But here is a follow-up to this earlier post. I still do not believe we need a mere human to tell us we are forgiven. and heres why....

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin, But if anybody does sin, we have ONE who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righeous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. <>John 2:1,2

I go straight to Jesus...and as far as telepathically...

And you, my son Solomon, acknowledge the God of your father, and serve him with wholehearted devotion and with a willing MIND, for the Lord SEARCHES every heart and UNDERSTANDS every motive behind the THOUGHTS. iF you seek him, he will be found by you; but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever. <>1 Chronicles 28:9

So yes I believe that He knows everything we think...whether we speak out loud or in just our thoughts.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[Douay]

I still do not believe we need a mere human to tell us we are forgiven. and heres why....

Then you can ignore the fact that we sit in a confessional and focus on the fact that we are confessing to God.

[Douay]

First I'de like to say....be nice ok?  Attacking someones mental stability is just plain cruel. And that goes for both sides.

Ever heard of tough love? Helping someone when it doesn't feel nice.

[refugepsa91]

I still do not believe we need a mere human to tell us we are forgiven. and heres why....

Then you can ignore the fact that we sit in a confessional and focus on the fact that we are confessing to God.

If I'm wrong about the way I took Mobile21's post then sorry...but I took it to mean that he thought a person had to tell you you were forgiven....there nothing wrong in my book with telling a "person" what sins youve committed and talking it through...I do that with friends. But I don't think the person I am talking to has to forgive me...only God can. Are we on the same page here...if I misunderstood the point then I apologize.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[refugepsa91]

First I'de like to say....be nice ok?

[Douay]

Ok, so let's say you were talking your sins over with a friend and they said that they forgive you for all of your wrongdoing for they know that you are truly sorry, would you have sinned?

[Douay]

I like everyone on this board for the most part, and most of the time. Sometimes we are all a little mean to each other. I think it would be awesome if we could all sit down together somewhere, see each other face to face.

[refugepsa91]

Ok, so let's say you were talking your sins over with a friend and they said that they forgive you for all of your wrongdoing for they know that you are truly sorry, would you have sinned?

I guess if I had sinned against them...then yes I would like them to forgive me. But if the sins I committed had nothing to do with them then their forgiveness over those sins doesn't make sense.

and I know sometimes people can be mean...but that is just not in my nature so its hard for me to see it. Yeah we can all go to dinner together...do you think there would be a foodfight? :x: :oww:

Love and Blessings,

Angel