what are your prespectives on the epic of gilgamesh

[Guest Simian]

there is evidence that many of the flood stories come from a single event...a large asteroid striking the pacific ocean creating a huge tidal wave

and besides..the story of noah is just proof that the epic of gilgamesh occured..:-p

in reality the epic proves the styory of noah about as much as the movie troy proves the odyssey

Say what? A large asteroid in the pacific? You got any documentation of that chief?

Lcash

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i dont know if this article mentions it or not but they did find an impact crater in an area that would result in a tsunami that wouldve reached almost all known civilizations that have a flood legend..the one exception being a few tribes in N america

As a trained geologist I can tell you that there are impact craters all over the world but most pre-date the arrival of homo-Sapiens by millions of years. No flood story I am afraid.

Lcash

MOST predate the arrival of man..not all..and im sure you also dismiss the theory that an impact on the glaciers of north america during the last ice age couldve wiped out north america's mega fauna?

So what is your point?

Lcash

that the reason so amny cultures have a flood story thats dates to around the same time..could be because a single event caused large ammounts of water to flood these cultures..and the flash boiled water of the oceans would cause rain for several months after the event

hence we get that god opened the flood gates of the earth..releasing water from below the earth(the initial tsunami)

plus rained for 40 days and 40 nights

That's a pretty far fetched notion. There is no geological evidence for any kind of world wide flood of any kind at any time.

Lcash

i didnt say world wide..i said a tsunami that would have flooded the cultures that have these world wide flood myths..which happen to all live along the ocean..the tsunami wouldve been huge by all standards but not even close to world wide

[Lcash]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

[Lcash]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

So let me see if I am understanding you. A tsunami cause by an asteroid in the Pacific ocean caused flooding in the Mediteranean basin? That is one heck of a tsunami which would have to be world wide in order to accomplish that.

Lcash

[Guest Simian]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

So let me see if I am understanding you. A tsunami cause by an asteroid in the Pacific ocean caused flooding in the Mediteranean basin? That is one heck of a tsunami which would have to be world wide in order to accomplish that.

Lcash

its wouldnt need to be world world wide in order to hit the middle east

Edited January 15, 2008 by Simian

[Lcash]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

So let me see if I am understanding you. A tsunami cause by an asteroid in the Pacific ocean caused flooding in the Mediteranean basin? That is one heck of a tsunami which would have to be world wide in order to accomplish that.

Lcash

its wouldnt need to be world world wide in order to hit the middle east

Come on man. Look at a world map for a change. The only connectivity between the Mediternean and the open ocean is in the mid-atlantic. Clearly on the oposite side of the world from the Pacific ocean.

Lcash

[Guest Simian]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

So let me see if I am understanding you. A tsunami cause by an asteroid in the Pacific ocean caused flooding in the Mediteranean basin? That is one heck of a tsunami which would have to be world wide in order to accomplish that.

Lcash

its wouldnt need to be world world wide in order to hit the middle east

Come on man. Look at a world map for a change. The only connectivity between the Mediternean and the open ocean is in the mid-atlantic. Clearly on the oposite side of the world from the Pacific ocean.

Lcash

hmm..so aparently the red sea and the perssian gulf dont exist anymore?

the tsunam caused by a mid ocean impact would be several miles high traveling hundreds of miles inland or more

there are depposits of mid ocean fossils in large chevron formations(smaller ones are known to be caused by tsunamis..have been found all over the pacific region..and they always point to the source of the tsunami..when these huge chevrons are aligned they all point to the same spot..meaning they were caused by the same event around 5000 years ago

[Grungekid]

Gilgamesh is said to have been "written" before the Bible....that doesn't mean the events "happened" before the true events, as given to us in Genesis. The true events weren't written until the time of Moses, as far as I know.

So....consider the twisted story that Gilgamesh tells. It is just a contorted view of the truth of God's Word that Satan uses to keep souls from God. All of the mythological gods are for that purpose - to keep souls from God.

You are correct, The Epic of Gilgamesh was written far before the bible...something like 2500 years before. How then is it a distorted version of God's word when "God's Word" hadn't even been compiled yet?

Ever heard of an oral tradition? It's hard to put a date on early scripture. Ancient Hebrews were articulate people, and they were well-versed in preserving their stories from generation to generation.

[Lcash]

As for other flood stories, it is a fact that most civilizations are formed around sources of water such as rivers and oceans. This is why most civilizations have a flood story. Since we are talking about ancient civilizations it is no wonder that they considered their area of existence as the "Whole World" therefore the stories they tell of a world-wide flood are in actuality a local or regional flood.

Lcash

It's also a fact that there is precious little evidence of homo sapiens sapiens beyond six to ten thousand years back. The epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah are very similar and, to me, seem like the same story told by different people. I'm not aware of how the age of the Gilgamesh story was determined but I believe that Noah would have lived about five thousand years ago. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The question is, how do you date the time of Noah?

Lcash

So let me see if I am understanding you. A tsunami cause by an asteroid in the Pacific ocean caused flooding in the Mediteranean basin? That is one heck of a tsunami which would have to be world wide in order to accomplish that.

Lcash

its wouldnt need to be world world wide in order to hit the middle east

Come on man. Look at a world map for a change. The only connectivity between the Mediternean and the open ocean is in the mid-atlantic. Clearly on the oposite side of the world from the Pacific ocean.

Lcash

hmm..so aparently the red sea and the perssian gulf dont exist anymore?

the tsunam caused by a mid ocean impact would be several miles high traveling hundreds of miles inland or more

there are depposits of mid ocean fossils in large chevron formations(smaller ones are known to be caused by tsunamis..have been found all over the pacific region..and they always point to the source of the tsunami..when these huge chevrons are aligned they all point to the same spot..meaning they were caused by the same event around 5000 years ago

You do understand that the entrance to the Persian Gulf and the Red Sea are protected from the Pacific ocean by the islands of SE Asia, the subcontinent of India and the mainland of China? How far exacty do you think this tsunami went?

Lcash