Guest Marc Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 The story of the rich man and Lazaro, is the clearest proof that there is no such thing as sleep dead. It is true that if you do a search on the bible with the word sleep, you will find many times the use of falling asleep for passing away (dead). Yet I do not think that per se, it is proof of anything but poetic license. I had once a business partner who was hard core SDA and I remember saying to him that if he really wanted to believe we sleep after dead until the coming of the Christ, he was welcome as far as I was concerned since, (in my view) time is a dimension that has meaning for the biological life and not the spiritual. Therefore, the "sleeping dead" will have no notion of time. I resorted to this because there was no point quoting scriptures with him, he sort of had an answer for every argument, yet he was not prepared for my "quantum" response hehe. And the placing of a comma in the sentence . . . ."I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise" is very SDA, a little trick they play to make Jesus say, "You will be with me in paradise . . .but not just yet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godrulz Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 885 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/19/1960 Share Posted April 17, 2004 The comma is a JW argument too, but is not defensible with some research. JWs have borrowed some SDA ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zhavoney Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 xyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCPGUY Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Great post Marc... John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kay Posted April 17, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 267 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/14/1958 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I agree we are with Christ at our death However, before His Resurection; The dead in hell could see the once chosen for heaven. Remember the rich man seeing the poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCPGUY Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I agree we are with Christ at our death However, before His Resurection; The dead in hell could see the once chosen for heaven. Remember the rich man seeing the poor Excellent point Kay John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 Eternal torment for the unbeleiver is something I cannot get my head around it. Not saying there is no hell, not even considering alternative interpretations of everyone will be saved and things like that (as much as I would like them to be true) . . . . just that eternal torment does not seem God like. What can I say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salt and light Posted April 18, 2004 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 302 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/04/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2004 Marc, God is a God of love, BUT, He is also a righteous God,and no disobedient soul will enter heaven. The bible points to eternal torment. Read Mark 9:43-48, Rev. 21:8, Matt. 18:8, also, Isaiah 66:24. Each and every person that ever lived will spend eternity someplace, either with the Lord, or seperated from the Lord in eternal fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 18, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/02/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2004 Marc, My views entirely. I believe that the unbeliever or the unrepentant are destined to spend eternity in obscurity as opposed to going to hell for a good roasting, which is reserved for the evil types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LCPGUY Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 Marc, My views entirely. I believe that the unbeliever or the unrepentant are destined to spend eternity in obscurity as opposed to going to hell for a good roasting, which is reserved for the evil types. Hi Neil, Can you supply any scripture to support this view? Bro John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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