unworthy.sinner Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 13 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2008 Remember David or the woman at the well? Yet David continued to write scriptures after the fact of commiting adultery and murder! Or what about Moses, who murdered an egyptian? He later wrote most of the Torah. Just a few comments on Moses and David. Israel before the time of Christ's earthly ministry had a distinction between King and Priest. Neither David or Moses held a position in the priesthood. They still held positions of leadership and God mightily used them to achieve His purposes, but also remember that Moses did not enter the promised land and David was told that he was not the one to build the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2008 Remember David or the woman at the well? Yet David continued to write scriptures after the fact of commiting adultery and murder! Or what about Moses, who murdered an egyptian? He later wrote most of the Torah. Just a few comments on Moses and David. Israel before the time of Christ's earthly ministry had a distinction between King and Priest. Neither David or Moses held a position in the priesthood. They still held positions of leadership and God mightily used them to achieve His purposes, but also remember that Moses did not enter the promised land and David was told that he was not the one to build the temple. and who was the only person, not a priest, to touch the ark and survive? mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted January 26, 2008 What about the church bookkeeper caught embelzeling Is this sin greater than the one that was caught commiting adultry. Should he/she be able to ask forgiveness and repent and be put back in the same position? If they repented of their theft and asked for forgiveness, would I fogive them? Absolutely. Would I restore them into the position as church bookkeeper? No way!!! Forgiving does not negate the consequences of our actions. There are still consequences to be suffered. Many time those consequences are meant to help us grow spiritually. Regardless, it is an issue of TRUST; not forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2008 It happens alot. The pastor has an adulterous affair. While we know it is forgiveable. Have they permanently disqualified themselves as a pastor of that particular church or any future position in another church? It happens alot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted January 26, 2008 I belive David even ate the showbread. I understand what onelight and bibs are saying..but that is how they are when they first come to us to be hired. There are also rules for congregants...everyone is in sin...so do we throw everyone out. ? The order is their for the protection of the sheep. How to handle any sinful christian remains the same for him as the congregant. If he repents...His house remains in order, now doesn't it. How many of us would have passed up that red thread hung at rahabs place just because dhe was a whore..? Yet this is whom Jesus picked to save the lives of his people. Forgive seventy times seven and restore the brother. Restoration does not mean to leave some part of his life out!!! Did God remove the office from His prophet because the prophet could not keep his wife? She went back to prostution then returned. He still remained the prophet. Jesus, being the entire head of His kingdom was never married, The body of Christ is certainly not ready for His return. Although it is our responsibility and nothing lacking from the Godhead, He tarries. If we do not see beyond Jesus might as well remove the candlesticks cos those ones in that position is certainly in sin. patricia1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 Remember David or the woman at the well? Yet David continued to write scriptures after the fact of commiting adultery and murder! Or what about Moses, who murdered an egyptian? He later wrote most of the Torah. Just a few comments on Moses and David. Israel before the time of Christ's earthly ministry had a distinction between King and Priest. Neither David or Moses held a position in the priesthood. They still held positions of leadership and God mightily used them to achieve His purposes, but also remember that Moses did not enter the promised land and David was told that he was not the one to build the temple. You done your homework...good point...OP speaks to adultery because it is the greatest betrayal of ministerial ethics...The absolute betrayal of trust...But as one poster pointed out it could be embezzlement or lying, etc... I had Director of Missions tell me that when a church becomes suspicious of a pastor's character they look first at the church's finances to find misbehavior and if they can't find that they look into sexual misbehavior. He said if they find misconduct with the money they will usually forgive you if you are humble about it. But if they catch you in affair your ministry is over buddy. If they are trying to get rid of you, he joked, and they accuse you of stealing go ahead and admit it... before they try to connect you to a woman in the congregation. His sarcastic point you can survive a lot of things in ministry but sexual misconduct. Jesus Himself said a marriage should work through all conflict, but infidelity was the hardest. As a person who has been the victim of infidelity, you may be able to forgive someone but reconciling the relationship is not always possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ddavid from NC Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 196 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,343 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/03/1964 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 It happens alot. The pastor has an adulterous affair. While we know it is forgiveable. Have they permanently disqualified themselves as a pastor of that particular church or any future position in another church? It happens alot? You wouldn't believe the statistics...You wouldn't believe the statistics of ministers viewing internet pornography. Which in my book makes one very subsceptible to marriage infidelity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Forgiving does not negate the consequences of our actions. There are still consequences to be suffered. Many time those consequences are meant to help us grow spiritually. Regardless, it is an issue of TRUST; not forgiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted January 26, 2008 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted January 26, 2008 It happens alot. The pastor has an adulterous affair. While we know it is forgiveable. Have they permanently disqualified themselves as a pastor of that particular church or any future position in another church? Yep they should be disqualified. I agree totally with Wayne B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted January 27, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted January 27, 2008 I do not agree with the disqualification which is a wordly response to a wordly sin. What our friend says above about looking through finances..then checking for sexual immoralities. Out of all the sins of people in the word of God I see Ananais ans Saphira removed from their positions. Can anyone give me a biblical example of this happening to a God loveing person? Jesus call for one to be a pastor stops suddenly? The call remains there still. I much rather have a pastor that fell into sin...was forgiven and humbled by God preching me...After all he will know how to help someone ...and there are plenty, out there who fall into the same temptation David still became king, Solomon remained to prosper. Give me a solution to the promblem? If you know or suspect a pastor or deacon of sexual immorality what would you do?Demand his resignationask him about it, and if he says yes pray with him to remove the perversionBroadcast it to everyone in the congregation and fall into gossip.I have been in this position of accusation. More than once. The accusation alone was enough to WANT to make me go out and have all the suppossed fun I was haveing.... Although exonerated people still tried to go into other areas and the healing alone that was needed went deep and took a long time. There was even one time I was babysitting for a friends 13 month old niece, as a thank-you He took me out to eat with his niece in toe.. A congregant walked in to the resturant saw us and came over smiling...I thought this person would say Hello, instead The person says" And when did this happen" referring to the child, thinking I had a child and was hiding it. I just smiled and said nice to see you. Next thing I know everyone thought I had a child andi had to correct this, announced at a sunday service the truth. But that was a tiny thing. I will never evr explain myself again and if I need to I will take someone to court for defamation of character their head would still be sinning after I win. Adultery is more than sexual as well. Men have a very difficult position...woman as well. I had a pastor reveal something to me. I prayed for that person right there and then. Calling every once in a while to know how he was. I could have destroyed his ministry and what for.... My revealed sins and restoration is no ones business. If I remained in that sin I can see the consequence occurring. patricia1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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