kat8585 Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted March 10, 2008 He calls us all to repent from our sins and adultery is not unforgivable and that's not to say it doesn't have consequences, but we don't need to pile on guilt with religous mind sets. You are right, adultery is not unforgivable, but if you are the guilty party and keep living in the adulterous relationship that the 2nd marriage would be, then you haven't repented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted March 10, 2008 We could avoid these issues if we let the church bless divorce. Of course that sounds strange; but if there are biblical reasons for a divorce than the church should acknowledge that a divorce was biblical or not, divorce is not always sin. That being the case the couple could then freely move forward and openly marry in the church without guilt or shame or hiding something. These are obviously very complex cases and we should be very sensitive as we don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Share Posted March 10, 2008 The situations are hypothetical but common to our times. 1. What if a relationship that began as adultery results in divorces for one or both parties, and they decide to marry because they are "in love"? Will God bless the marriage that had an illegit start? 2. What if casual sex results in a pregnancy and the couple decide to marry? Will God bless the marriage that had an illegit start? First, concerning the title and the phrase "illigitimate relationship", I would prefer to speak of the "immoral acts" of the couple. Of course, adultery in case 1 is terrible, resulting in the destruction of one or two marriages. This has long-term negative ramifications for everyone connected to that relationship, especially for the children of those marriages. Divorce is often worse than death, having far reaching, long-term negative things. It can be like being chained to and dragging around a dead decaying body. In the second case, the commonly accepted immoral act of sex befor marriage is not as serious as adultery, and yet it too results in struggles for the couple. In case 2 it resulted in pregnancy which was a difficult/challenging primary reason for marriage. This can be a shaky foundation for marriage, especially in our culture that devalues family and children. Concerning whether God will bless marriages that had "immoral" starts, I believe that He does, especially as the couple repents of past sins and seeks Him. Thankfully, "it rains on the just and the unjust." Of course, rain in an arid climate is considered a blessing; so, because of the grace and mercy of the Lord He rains blessings not only upon the just, but also upon the unjust. It's the goodness of God that brings people to repentance, the revelation of His great love and forgiveness! May we always rejoice in the grace (undeserved favor) of the Lord. And I am so very thankful that He blesses us based on His goodness and inspite of our badness! Have a blessed day! Sherman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherman Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 278 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1962 Share Posted March 10, 2008 We could avoid these issues if we let the church bless divorce. Of course that sounds strange; but if there are biblical reasons for a divorce than the church should acknowledge that a divorce was biblical or not, divorce is not always sin. That being the case the couple could then freely move forward and openly marry in the church without guilt or shame or hiding something. These are obviously very complex cases and we should be very sensitive as we don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deut31:12 Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 232 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 10, 2008 The situations are hypothetical but common to our times. 1. What if a relationship that began as adultery results in divorces for one or both parties, and they decide to marry because they are "in love"? Will God bless the marriage that had an illegit start? The bible says that if I am married, commit adultery, divorce and remarry that I am still living in adultery with who I remarry. But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. - Matthew 5:32 2. What if casual sex results in a pregnancy and the couple decide to marry? Will God bless the marriage that had an illegit start? I don't think that God blesses marriages, but he does recognize them as being legit or not. God would rather we be married than living in fornication. If they marry then they did the right thing, but as long as it is according to scripture. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. - 1 Corinthians 7:9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted March 10, 2008 We could avoid these issues if we let the church bless divorce. Of course that sounds strange; but if there are biblical reasons for a divorce than the church should acknowledge that a divorce was biblical or not, divorce is not always sin. That being the case the couple could then freely move forward and openly marry in the church without guilt or shame or hiding something. These are obviously very complex cases and we should be very sensitive as we don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 10, 2008 number one no. number two yes. There are many different situations and circumstances. I do not know what type of blessings you are insinuating. Are they both christians, nonchristians, is one a christian. I answered yes to the second due to the fact responsibility is being accepted. God smiles on that fact. sexual satisfaction a different story for both if you call that a blessing. if the first are not christians they can repent. If they are christians...they can repent too yet they will always have problems with not trusting each other at some point, the intrest they have will die and so on... Haven't we seen this happen with a number of christian artists? Haven't we seen this all biblically as well ( i haven'read any previous posts) These questions sound like the questions given to one who is going to be ordained as a pastor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 10, 2008 We are to discuss and use scripture to back up a teaching we had been under or to teach another. Since when can scripture not be used. If anything we do not like twisted scriptures and that is a scripture taken out of context for ones own benefit. We like and enjoy rhema as well as logos here. A thread is removed or a most if there is no end to a argument that may or may not have loving responses between the two or more christian persons. The mods here need not defend their positions. They are thee authority we have to be submissive to, which ensures safety, purity of our relationships and the word of God on this board. When divorce was put forth men were divorcing left and right for all kinds of reasons. A divorced women was not safe in the days of old especially one who consummated the marraige and found themselves divorced in a short time afterwards. We are definitely in thos times today, from both partners. One goes into a marraige thinking...' well if it doesn't work out, divorce is a wonderful option'. They forget about the vow they take which we are told not to do hastily. For God does not forgot a vow we speak with our mouths. The breaking of the virginity of a woman is as holy as any other blood covenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted March 10, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 10, 2008 where did this person go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted March 11, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2008 Grace to you, The problem with justifying divorce through one scriptural reference by Jesus and a Mosaic writ is that you have to exclude every reference Jesus/God has to Marriage all throughout scripture. He never put away His own Bride. Despite her whoring after many Lovers. The other line of reasoning that has been presented as to the protection of the Widow is not backed up line upon line and precept upon precept either. The fact of the matter is that God had a mandate for the widow, the orphan, the poor in general and it was after the manner of the hearts of His people and His personal command that His eyes were upon such and that He cared for them. Even leaving provision for them in such matters as the gleaning of the fields and the visitation of such by the younger more enabled women. Divorce was not His ideal and to try to justify it opens a window for what you seem to desire to prevent Sherman. Yet God is Merciful and His Love endures forever. I know your concern is that the Church not Judge but know you not that we will Judge angels? How much more the House of God by the appointed authority's of such? Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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