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Shiloh was correct in the point that Galatians kept trying to go back to the old law. Galatians 3:10-13 King James Version (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: This is speaking of the old law, but remember we are still under a law, just not the old law. We are under the law of Christ. We are still commanded to keep from sin and to do good. All Christians were once sinners and without a law there is no sin. Romans 7:6-8 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. What you have to do is be able to tell the difference between when the scriptures are speaking of the old testament laws and when it is speaking of the laws of Christ. The OT laws won't justify us before God, but we are still commanded to follow the commandments (laws) of Christ in the NT. 1 John 3:3-5 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that withing the past 70+ years people began to minimize the effects and teachings of the scriptures. Like it has been pointed out above, Jesus taught about Lazaras and the rich man describing the torments in hell and Revelation expounds upon it more in that all those in hell will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Hell is the "holding tank" for lack of better definition, until judgement day. Then all those who are hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

Well if a person renounces the Lord Jesus Christ (remember Peter denied Him also) and never repents of that then I agree they are lost. So basically, I would agree with your statement. If we sin and confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin. John 1:9 This is correct. God looks at the heart. We all sin, but if our heart is to get back up and serve God he is merciful to forgive us, but if we in our Christianity decide that living the life and wanting to go back into the world, like Demas, we are throwing away our chance at eternal live for a life of sin. Once we do this we lose the HS and it is impossible to get it back, hence the no sacrifice.

In actuality, it is when you are baptized for the remission of your sins and THEN you receive the gift of the HS. Acts 2:38 When we believe in the gospel and follow its' plan we receive the HS. It takes more than just believing and/or praying for it. Anyway God hears not the prayers of a sinner (John 9:31) There are times in the bible that they are speaking of the receiving the gift of the HS, which is different of this time. Today we receive it by obeying the gospel as the people did in the last part of Acts 2nd chapter.

Is there a Scripture for this, that the Holy Spirit no longer falls upon us? ~~ Acts 8 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 13 Even Simon himself believed ; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Acts 19 1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed ?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized ?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7 There were in all about twelve men. You are taking something that God allowed to be done back then to done to us today. The Apostles could pass on the gifts to people, but those people could not pass them on to anybody else. The specific gifts of speaking in tongues (which is nothing more than speaking another language to spreday the gospel to other nations), healing, drinking poison, rasing the dead, causing others to die (Anninias and Saphira), heall the sick, etc. The next time you think that these abilities the HS gave them back them apply to you today then trying doing everything they had the ability to do. If you really believe that we get the HS in the form of the same gifts that they got back then you should be able to everything that they did back then. The way it was supposed to be for the rest of us and was promised to all those afar off is that when we hear the goepel and are pricked in our hearts we are supposed to repent and be baptized for the remission of our sins and THEN we will receive the gift of the HS. This is the faith that we aree saved by. After I hear the gospel through faith I repent and get baptized because through my faith I will have my sins remitted and get the HS. Through faith I know my sins will be forgiven in baptism**. Through my faith I know that I am added to the church. Through my faith I take the Lord's Supper or I have no life in me. Through my faith I daily repent of my sins and pray to God for forgiveness. Through faith I continue in the faith or I will be cut off (Rom 11:22). I show my faith through my works (obeying the gospel) **Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Our sins are cut away.

What we were commissioned to do is only what we can do. We cannot baptize anyone in the Holy Spirit. That, my friend, comes from God and Him alone. Can you see this? You misunderstand what I was saying. I never said that we baptize anyone in the HS. The baptism the Apostles were commissioned to do is the baptism of water and I know that we can't baptize with the HS. That happed on the day of Pentecost and was for the help of spreading the gospel.

The Bible doesn't teach that we no longer receive this baptism. On the contrary, Acts 2:39 says, "For this promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." This baptism, in Acts 2:39, refers to water baptism, not baptism of HS.

The Bible doesn't teach that we no longer receive this baptism. On the contrary, Acts 2:39 says, "For this promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." No, I don't attend a tongue speaking church. The baptism spoken of this passage is speaking of the water batism. The Apostles were commisioned by Jesus to go into all the world preaching the word and baptizing. (Mat 28) Since the Apostles cleary could not baptize people with the HS they could only do it with water. Look at this passage - Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. They were baptized and then they had Apostles hands put on them to receive the HS. Many teach we are baptized in or with the HS to get him. This batism was with water and even the Ethiopian eunich was baptized in water after he was taught. When you keep the same thought through this whole process you see the picture clearly. 1. John the Baptist baptized in WATER for repentance 2. When Jesus came to John the Baptist he and his disciples were baptized in WATER 3. Jesus taught that were are born of the Spirt by WATER (John 3) 4. The last commision that Jesus gave to his Apostles was to go into the world baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and HS (Apostles can't baptize with HS, so it had to be water) 5. The day of Pentecost there were over 3,000 souls saved AFTER they were baptized for the remission iof their sins. Again, the Apostles couldn't baptize anybody with the HS so it had to be water. 6. After the Ethiopian eunich was taught he was batized with water. 7. Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? - Done with WATER 8. Acts 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. WATER BAPTISM What people are doing is taking certain miracles that happened at the time of the spreading of the gospel at that time and applying them today. All the while dismissing the things that we are supposed to be doing as not necessary. It is easier to live by the exception than by the rule.

I don't deny the scriptures, but what is being said is that the baptism that we now recieve is the baptism of the HS nd that is incorrect as the scripture states that there is only one baptism and that is the baptism that the Apostles were commissioned to to do and teach. Acts 2:38 states that we receive the HS after that baptism. The baptism that is being expressed by the OP is one that was done at that time to help spread the gospel, but we no longer receive.

You are wrong. You were right though about baptism washing us by water. I will begin here - Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, As you see, there is only one baptism, but which one is that? There is one that we were actually commissioned to partake of and to exercise. Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: You see that even Jesus was baptized in water to set the example. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Now, we know that the baptism of the HS existed, but that was given to the Christians at that time so that they can carry on the spreading of the gospel, but what Jesus had commissioned the Apostles to do is to go into all the world baptizing and we know that no human can baptize people with the HS. Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? The Apostles were baptizing with water, not the HS and there is only one baptism. There is more on this subject, but I will keep it short.

The Old Testament had it's time and that was a covenant made between God and the Jews through Moses, but there came a time when the whole world would be able to partake of the grace of God and it was done in the form of the New Testament. It was even prophesied - Jeremiah 31`:31, 32 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: Lue 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. The old law was only until the time of John the Baptist. Now were are under the law of Christ. Hebrews 7:11, 12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. The priesthood changed from Aaron to Jesus and so did the law. Acts 13:38, 39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. I could keep going, but I think I made my point that we are no longer under the old law and it's ordinances, so, they can't be binding. You can practice them if you want, but they are not required by Christians under the New Testament. As far as following scripture we are supposed to follow all of it of the New Testament. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all

This passage is NOT limited to just blaspheming the HS. James 1:14-16 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. This is James speaking to the Christians. Not every sin we commit will kill us. God's mercy allows up to repent and go to him for forgiveness, but if we stay in sin and not repent, then that sin is our death.

The meaning of what Jesus was trying to tell Paul is he was asking him why does he kick against the pricks of his own conscience in knowing what he was doing was wrong in persecuting the Christians.

The seven spirits are the seven churches in Asia that he starts addressing in Verse 11. When Jesus comes all of the Christians will have dispappeared from the earth - where two are in the field one taken and the other left. etc. All of the rest of the world will see Jesus as his brightness with be from one end of the world to the other and he is coming with his angles in flaming fire. (2 Thess. 1:7-10)

The greatest book that has helped me understand the book of Revelation is this one - "Opening the Book of the Seven Seals". It can be found here - Amazon I have been studying the book and it is written like each chapter was a sermon. I like how the author kept reiterating the the book of Revelation was the histroy of the church past, present, and future. This book was written over 100 years ago.