jackie d Posted February 28, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,081 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/29/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/08/1967 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Axxman said: OH MY!!!! How did you ever make it to the smoke? Once the guy took his jacket off you should have known trouble was coming! I once saw a Christian show where the woman was allowed to talk at the dinner table and I switched off right then! you are kidding? Right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison.78 Posted February 28, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 34 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/08/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yes, hip-hop is a registered religion and its origins are steeped in anti-christ religion. If you are skeptical, do the research... there is no need to completely shun a comment before you have looked into it. we are agreed that Music, as I believe I previously stated, is not evil in and of itself, but I believe the original question was about Christian hip hop and rock. Why, if someone is coming out of sin and coming to God, would we want to remind them of the old life through the music we play? It is fair to say that I don't know the hearts of these artists, but if the artist looks and acts like the world, I'm not paying much attention to the words of the song. People don't follow words so much as they follow actions. I do agree that much of the gospel and comtemporary music we have today comes from the sound of the juke joint, but it wasnt right then and its not right now. We, as human beings, have a tendency to comprise, and flucuate w/ every breeze of the wind, but God never changes. It's important to look at the origins of the cultures that the music is birthed from. And being adverse to my opinion is no reason for being snide. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Music and music styles, like musical instruments, are but tools. The real instrument is the person. If the heart of the person writing/singing/performing the song has an evil intent, that evil will come forth. If the heart of the person writing/singing/performing the song has a good intent, the goodness will come forth. Unfortunately, yes, the Christian music industry is corrupted with self-exaltation and other forms of worldliness. But again, this is another topic from the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingToDie Posted February 28, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 710 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/01/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/16/1984 Share Posted February 28, 2008 [1]Yes, hip-hop is a registered religion and its origins are steeped in anti-christ religion. If you are skeptical, do the research... there is no need to completely shun a comment before you have looked into it. we are agreed that Music, as I believe I previously stated, is not evil in and of itself, but I believe the original question was about Christian hip hop and rock. [2]Why, if someone is coming out of sin and coming to God, would we want to remind them of the old life through the music we play? [3]It is fair to say that I don't know the hearts of these artists, but if the artist looks and acts like the world, I'm not paying much attention to the words of the song. People don't follow words so much as they follow actions. [4]I do agree that much of the gospel and comtemporary music we have today comes from the sound of the juke joint, but it wasnt right then and its not right now. We, as human beings, have a tendency to comprise, and flucuate w/ every breeze of the wind, but God never changes. It's important to look at the origins of the cultures that the music is birthed from. [5]And being adverse to my opinion is no reason for being snide. God Bless. 1.It's a registered religion? So, if I were to look on a census, I could choose "Hip-Hop" as a religious affiliation? While I loath hip-hop as a whole (I think it is music only in the loosest sense of the word) and I loathe what mainstream hip-hop stands for, it is not a religion. And yes, I looked into it, found nothing. Perhaps you would be so kind as to provide documentation. 2. You are making an assumption here. Has it ever occurred to you that Christian Rock and Hip-Hop is just a matter of taste? Tastes don't change at the moment of conversion, and to try to force oneself to like certain types of music is just silly, when there is music that perfectly praises God in whatever your chosen genre. In the same way as different people have different tastes in food, people have different tastes in music. Is it fair to make someone who hates pork eat pork, when they could just as easily have beef instead? Likewise, my tastes lean towards Rock music, and I therefore choose to occasionally listen to Rock music (of all forms: Punk, Metal, Hard Rock, etc.) that glorifies God. More often than not I choose to listen to "secular" music. Speaking of tastes, I suspect that (as is often the case) you are opposed to these forms of music because you don't like them, and don't see how they could possibly be pleasing to God. 3. You're again making an assumption. Because they are rock musicians, they must automatically not have their hearts in the right place. Yes, Christian musicians sometimes give in to the pressures of fame. The Christian music industry is just that, an industry, and as such it's not perfect. There are temptations, just like you and I face everyday temptations. But the fact is, these bands are out there preaching the Gospel, reaching thousands with their message, and strengthening the faith of their fans, and here you sit in your home criticizing them, telling them their heart is not in the right place. They are living their faith ion a very real and concrete way. 4. Actually, even many of our good old-fashioned hymns were folk songs that were given Christian lyrics. All Christian music (except maybe chants) is appropriated and Christianized from "secular sources". Think of it as reclaiming that which belongs to God. 5. Snide? My responses may be rather biting, but that's how I happen to react to people making claims I feel are ridiculous. I feel no ill will towards you brother (sister?), but understand that i've heard all of these arguments before, and I find them just as lacking today as I did then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted February 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2008 I can speak to the nature of hip-hop...and I can speak to the nature of Christian hip-hop. First, it is an over-statement to describe hip-hop as a religion...BUT hip-hop at its roots can be a very dangerous and deceptive ideology like most religions. However, the music is NOT the ideology...the music carries the ideology in its lyrics and attitude. Christian hip-hop works in the same way except that the ideology of the Christians performing it is vastly different. In Christian hip-hop the music carries the ideology of salvation, peace, and love through Jesus Christ to those who take the time to listen. Years ago (I'm gonna start feeling old now...lol)...I started in Christian hip-hop about a year before dcTalk made their first album. I was brought up by guys like SFC (Soldiers for Christ), PID, and several other groups that were influential in the genre. The collective vision for ALL of us was to undermine the deception and bondage that the hip-hop ideology was placing on inner-city kids. It wasn't easy, and BY FAR our toughest competition was the mainstream church who opposed our efforts to bring the message of the cross to kids. Every song I performed, every lyric I spoke, every move I made was done to show the freedom and love I experience in Christ. Some of the best church I ever had was being on stage with those guys. DcTalk's first album, was huge for Christian hip-hop in that it broke down alot of barriers. The mainstream church had a hard time finding ways to criticize the openly Christian lyrics from a group formed at Jerry Falwwell's house. Back then I had the opportunity to become part of their street team, I was priveledged to pray with those guys, talk with them, and see their vision. The coattails that they provided for me and many other Christian hip-hop artists were HUGE! I have had the opportunity to share the stage with some of the biggest Christian artists in the world today (back then they were just starting out) like Newboys, Michael W Smith, Petra, Audio Adrenaline, etc. I can tell you unequivically, that from Christian Rock, to hip-hop, punk (One Bad Pig), or contemporary...the desire and focus of everyone of them was to lead people to Christ. I could go for hours talking about the amazing testimonies, excitement, backstage stories...and sometimes outright fear. The point I'm attempting to make is that it is wholly unfair to judge most of these artists by the sound of their music because quite frankly if you don't understand hip-hop, or punk, or rock...you'll never understand the impact these artists have had on people with their music. *note* Its important to point out...I never made it big in the music industry, although I got real close a couple of times. I was fortunate to be a musician in a church with a pretty big music promoter who liked my vision. He allowed me to have opportunities in music that most could only dream of. I was able to meet and work with some very talented artists because of his belief in me. I just didn't want it to sound like I was some CCM big shot with all the name dropping. I wasn't. I was just a young musician who was in a good situation who made friends with some really cool people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Music and music styles, like musical instruments, are but tools. God Has His Missionaries Out In The World Proclaiming The Gospel In Many Languages Including The Musical (?) Language Of Holy Hip-Hop "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:15 Who Could Hate So Much As To Shut Hop-Hop Talkers Away From Hearing God's Good News In Their Heart Language "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2 And Who Would Dare To Call The Work Of The Holy Ghost The Devil's Work "But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:" Mark 3:29 As The Gospel Goes Forth In Truth And In Spirit With Hip Hop Beat "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 Rhyming For The KING Glory! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Amen! Pray "But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 1:20-21 To The LORD Of The Harvest "Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves." Luke 10:2-3 Cry Mercy For The Hip Hop Nation "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19 And Rejoice For His Mercies Are New Every Morning "It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not. They are new every morning: great is thy faithfulness." Lamentations 3:22-23 Great Is His Faithfulness Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 29, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.93 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 29, 2008 God Has His Missionaries Out In The World Proclaiming The Gospel In Many Languages Including The Musical (?) Language Of Holy Hip-Hop That's a neat perspective, Joe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healingoil Posted March 1, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2008 If you dont believe that music can cause demonic activity, explain the ever increasing violence played out at Hip Hop and Hard Rock clubs. Who is our allegiance to, Jesus Christ or our favorite christian Rocker/Rapper? We listen to Christian rock/rap because our allegiance is to the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted March 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2008 It is fair to say that I don't know the hearts of these artists, but if the artist looks and acts like the world, I'm not paying much attention to the words of the song. People don't follow words so much as they follow actions. Man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks upon the heart. I do agree that much of the gospel and comtemporary music we have today comes from the sound of the juke joint, but it wasnt right then and its not right now. We, as human beings, have a tendency to comprise, and flucuate w/ every breeze of the wind, but God never changes. What's a juke joing? Do you realize the tunes of many of the 'old' hymns, once had the melodies of songs played in bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted March 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2008 DcTalk's first album, was huge for Christian hip-hop in that it broke down alot of barriers. The mainstream church had a hard time finding ways to criticize the openly Christian lyrics from a group formed at Jerry Falwwell's house. Back then I had the opportunity to become part of their street team, I was priveledged to pray with those guys, talk with them, and see their vision. I love DC talk. My favourite song is Red Letters Pages filled with a holy message Sealed with a kiss from heaven On a scroll long ago Phrases, words that were bound together Now have the power to sever Like a sword evermore Heed the words divinely spoken May your restless heart be broken Let the supernatural take hold (chorus) There is love in the red letters There is truth in the red letters There is hope for the hopeless Peace and forgiveness There is life in the red letters In the red letters One man came to reveal a mystery Changing the course of history Made the claim he was God Ageless, born of a virgin Mary Spoke with a voice that carried through the years It's persevered Heed the words divinely spoken May your restless heart be broken Let the supernatural take hold (repeat chorus) (bridge) What You say moves me, revelation, come and take me The more I look [the more I look] the more I see [the more I see] The Word of God [the Word Of God] is what I need Oh yeah, oh yeah Yeah, it's the book of love Yeah, yeah, yeah It's the book of love (repeat chorus) Speak to me, breathe in me new life [x2] Let Him in your heart [x4] How a Christian feels justified to condemn these men is beyond me? I would be very worried if I were you. Why don't you try to listen to this song online and see if you might want to rethink this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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