peaches Posted February 26, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 26, 2008 one really has to understand cultures in THEIR OWN CONTEXT before brandishing the "civilized" sword. civilized by whose standards? Moral relativism is what your are trying to discuss. So, have a philosphical debate while you are safe in Ontario, while innocent men, women and children are being unjustly murdered and imprisoned worldwide. If you are a Christian, then you should be familiar with the Bible. Jesus taught us everything we need to know about being civilized to each other. That's the gold standard, God's standard. I think you misunderstood. I am not activating for murder and false imprisonment. I am advocating for not just taking what the media tells you at face value but rather, to dare to explore further into social structures that are different from your own so as to understand how they work rather than just dismissing them as barbarians without actually taking the time to understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 forensics are very fasinating...I got plenty of time. As for the weird stuff...I was reffering to the fact that the folks conducting the hangng were a bunch of rookies. If I remember correctly, the husband stated the ropes were put around their necks and they were hung from the tree...only to have the knots slip which gave them their escape...in the mean time the women has a baby and then lives 2 weeks in the woods or jungle hiding with a new born...when I try to piece this all together allot of it just doesn't jive. just for starters..most folks conducting a hanging sort of stick around and watch.....string em up and run??? drive by hanging??? Did she deliver while hanging or after the knot slipped...I mean think about it...hesitate to go into detail here. Anyway...very glad both parents and child are alive...I just think the true facts were embelished a bit. hmmm, thanks for daring to think! it really does depend on the specific people/tribe who did the hanging, since each has a way of dealing with reciprocating a wrong. since i am not familiar with how the Kilip people work, i cant elaborate further on how the hanging was done. will look into it though and get back to ya. just for ha has, i am guessing here that the hanging was probably done as a warning or in a sympathetic way or not in the fullest way that it would have been done otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 hahahahah hehehehe hahaha David...you got me laughing in stitches here...hahah heheh oh oh here come the tearrs rolling and now my sides hurt, gott go..I will return... haha hehehe LOL a whhole lot here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healingoil Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 well, thats why I brought in the question of standard (relativism). If you dont understand the entire social structure, of course you are gonna think their actions are not justified. So, basically what you are saying is if you do understand their "entire social structure" it then justifies their actions? I can also dare to say that those people who make pregnant women wear orange jumpsuits and lock em up in tiny cells and control their every move have very little standards and such behavior should not be excused. as glory2000 would say, "we should pray for heathens such as these but their ignorance makes them no less evil." Holy apples and oranges, batman! Ummm, then they obviously were found guilty of a crime and so their being locked up is indeed justified. Not only was this woman not found guilty of something, but, the way they handled it is nothing like how we handle those who are found guilty - it was nothing less then barbaric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 well, thats why I brought in the question of standard (relativism). If you dont understand the entire social structure, of course you are gonna think their actions are not justified. So, basically what you are saying is if you do understand their "entire social structure" it then justifies their actions? no. I am saying that its easy to come to conclusions, which are most likely to be mistaken, if you dont understand the situation. I can also dare to say that those people who make pregnant women wear orange jumpsuits and lock em up in tiny cells and control their every move have very little standards and such behavior should not be excused. as glory2000 would say, "we should pray for heathens such as these but their ignorance makes them no less evil." Holy apples and oranges, batman! Ummm, then they obviously were found guilty of a crime and so their being locked up is indeed justified. Not only was this woman not found guilty of something, but, the way they handled it is nothing like how we handle those who are found guilty - it was nothing less then barbaric. you are right, our prison system only locks up people who are found guilty without error. so unlike these PNG people whose justice system is obviously flawed. I am sorry for making absurd assertions. I mean really, we all know for sure that there is no way that this woman could have possibly been guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healingoil Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 no. I am saying that its easy to come to conclusions, which are most likely to be mistaken, if you dont understand the situation. So, again, if I were to totally understand the situation I would then understand the justification for this action? You are just going around in circles, peaches. You obviously see nothing wrong with what they did, then. I get that. you are right, our prison system only locks up people who are found guilty without error. so unlike these PNG people whose justice system is obviously flawed. I am sorry for making absurd assertions. I mean really, we all know for sure that there is no way that this woman could have possibly been guilty. Did I say that? No, though studies show very few people are ever found guilty and locked away when they are tried through our system; especially with today's technology. But, to compare hanging a woman from a tree who is with child and then make her give birth in that position because her neighbor died is beyond ludacris and to then compare it to our system is even more so and very telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted February 27, 2008 Share Posted February 27, 2008 I can't believe there is a debate going on over whether or not it was OK [culturally correct] to hang a man and woman from a tree for alleged sorcery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 bib, i am not debating that at all. the real issue that bothers me is that people have a tendency to think the western culture is the standard and that those in teh west have the cultural practices that everyone else should follow. if anyone does anything different, then they are labeled as "primitive" or whatever. which is why statements like the one u just made are a hard for me to read. sorcery is a very real and serious crime in their society. to the western society we dismiss such things as silly when to them, it is a matter of great importance. they have justice system set up in place to deal with such things in accordance with what works for them. we are quick to judge without even looking at things critically or bothering to understand how and why things are done the way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healingoil Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 bib, i am not debating that at all. the real issue that bothers me is that people have a tendency to think the western culture is the standard and that those in teh west have the cultural practices that everyone else should follow. if anyone does anything different, then they are labeled as "primitive" or whatever. which is why statements like the one u just made are a hard for me to read. sorcery is a very real and serious crime in their society. to the western society we dismiss such things as silly when to them, it is a matter of great importance. they have justice system set up in place to deal with such things in accordance with what works for them. we are quick to judge without even looking at things critically or bothering to understand how and why things are done the way they are. And what others, or at least *I* am having a hard time understanding is how anyone (you) can excuse an action like this no matter what the circumstances, culture, etc. are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches Posted February 27, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 95 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,315 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 27, 2008 hmmm, I am not sure healingoil understands what my grievance is interesting. so this is how to feels to talk and have people not actually hear what u are saying. very interesting indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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