nebula Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I remember hearing Obama saying he want to limit abortion. He just doesnt agree with many here on how to get there. please explain how funding overseas abortions will lead to limiting abortions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out) that was funny, ruck! and yes, run you should. no claws from me, tho. in fact, i don't get the "if you don't vote you have no right to complain" bit. every American citizen has a right to complain whether they vote or not. you lose out if you don't vote. but it's privelege you lose out on--not voice. We agree on most things, but I have to take issue with this one. If you have not taken part in the process, you have no right to complain about, or question the outcome. If one does not exercise their right to vote, which, I might add, came at a pretty high price, then they have no footing to stand on to complain about their leadership. Amen. I know many of them that fought and died for the priviledges we have - Thank God for His Grace and the sacrifice of those who have paid the ultimate price for the freedoms we sometimes take for granted. Blessings!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldzimm Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,874 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 348 Days Won: 12 Joined: 03/10/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/08/1955 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Ruck I don't understand where you are coming from in saying a child must die for the sins of the parents. The wages of sin is death, that death is not a physical death, that death is a spiritual death unless one repents of his sins. If my natural father murdered someone, would that mean I should be stoned because of his sin? Here again I say people must take responsibility and account for their own actions, it is called being a man. When Jesus died on the cross for our sins, he was more than a man, he was a SUPERHERO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I see. I am suppose to base my view off of a public persona. I have not intimate relationship with the man, I know of no one who does. Now unless you do, or have spent time with him to "know" him, you should tread carefully. When asked about his faith, he talks about works. When asked about Jesus, he stated bluntly he's rather not say anything. Are these the words and heart of someone with the Spirit of God living inside of him? No, I'm praying for his salvation. So...have you asked him? You have sat down with him, or is the tv persona all you know? Ruck, When did you sit down with Bush to decide that he is no good? Obama's words are false. he bowed to the saudie king, if he isn't a silent muslim, why did he bow to a foreign leader? Where was all this support for President Bush? Homosexuality being wrong is NOT a man made law, it is God's law. being gay is wrong because God said it is. being gay is sin. Sin WILL be punished, by God, and we are to state this to all who are in sin. God is the judge, we are to tell everyone what the judge says is sin and what will be sin, it is written in His word, the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out) Since you do not vote, your statements and comments hold no merit. In truth, you have said that by not voting, "My voice will be silent, whatever imoral laws are passed, I am ok with." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 6, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 6, 2009 there is a huge difference between the actions of Bush and obama regarding this subject. partial birth abortions. embryonic stem cell research. funding organizations in other countries that promote abortion. any of these things ring a bell? nobody's coming down on obama for not banning abortions. the actions he has taken, however, promote abortion, while the actions of Bush limited them. and i'm not sure why you find it "amusing" that abortions didn't stop under Bush? i know you don't think abortions are funny, but i do think it was a poor choice of words. what i find interesting is that you say we are hypocritical for not condemning Bush for not banning abortions, and then you say he couldn't do so anyway. Christians, even those in the political arena, are not a people unto themselves. they are a people unto God and they are held to His standard of conduct, not those of Washington. Bush limted abortion. I see clearly now. Limited abortions, is a better option. I remember hearing Obama saying he want to limit abortion. He just doesnt agree with many here on how to get there. Amusing may have been a poor choice of words, but it is not actually concerning the issue of abortions. It's not even about Bush but the hyprocrisy here. Frankly, I find it amusing that many hold Obama to this high standard, yet, not require the same of the former. Yeah I find it hypocritical, give both the same treatment. As a matter of fact, Bush had eight years to do something about it. I do realize Bush could recind it that is why I cant be mad with him. Yes, you are right Christians are unto God, but as politicans in washington they are unto themselves. It has proven true time and time again. Bush tried to stop abortion, but the liberals, including Obama, stopped him. Reagan tried to stop abortion, democrats stopped him. Papa Bush tried to stop abortion, democrats stopped him. So who is the hypocrit? Obama is. Claiming to be Christian yet, supporting ungodly, unchristian legislation. You cannot get more hypocritical than that. But since you didn't vote, it really doesn't matter to you then. Which makes all your statements mute, and unsupportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 7, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out) that was funny, ruck! and yes, run you should. no claws from me, tho. in fact, i don't get the "if you don't vote you have no right to complain" bit. every American citizen has a right to complain whether they vote or not. you lose out if you don't vote. but it's privelege you lose out on--not voice. We agree on most things, but I have to take issue with this one. If you have not taken part in the process, you have no right to complain about, or question the outcome. If one does not exercise their right to vote, which, I might add, came at a pretty high price, then they have no footing to stand on to complain about their leadership. Thank-You, from the 30 Marines who died during peace time to ensure ALL had the right to vote. As I am a veteran of the Marines, I also claim the right to ask, "Why not? What else did they need to give so you would vote?" Freedom isn't just paid for at the Revolution, it is paid for every day whether there is a war going on or not. In my eyes, and theirs, you have slapped us all in the face by commenting on how things are going now. Your complaints are baseless and empty, and insulting to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 7, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out) that was funny, ruck! and yes, run you should. no claws from me, tho. in fact, i don't get the "if you don't vote you have no right to complain" bit. every American citizen has a right to complain whether they vote or not. you lose out if you don't vote. but it's privelege you lose out on--not voice. We agree on most things, but I have to take issue with this one. If you have not taken part in the process, you have no right to complain about, or question the outcome. If one does not exercise their right to vote, which, I might add, came at a pretty high price, then they have no footing to stand on to complain about their leadership. Thank-You, from the 30 Marines who died during peace time to ensure ALL had the right to vote. As I am a veteran of the Marines, I also claim the right to ask, "Why not? What else did they need to give so you would vote?" Freedom isn't just paid for at the Revolution, it is paid for every day whether there is a war going on or not. In my eyes, and theirs, you have slapped us all in the face by commenting on how things are going now. Your complaints are baseless and empty, and insulting to them. The right to vote. It is not madated. I also have a right to carry a gun..it is not mandated. I dont carry a gun...do I have to be quiet when crime happens. Also, please show me what I am complaining about? You have the right to not have a voice, if that is what you really want. I have the right to question the validity of your comments based on your wish to allow ungodly practices to go on without even the attempt by you to vote against them. Every voice DOES count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 7, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Well praise God i dont vote. (I'm going to before the claws come out) There is no greater voice that is in favor of communism and socialism, than the none-voter. Because the voter alone have the power to stop the advance of the destruction of a Democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog House Bill Posted May 7, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 244 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/20/1959 Share Posted May 7, 2009 It wasnt an accident that the person was driving drunk...a sin. This sin caused death. I dont understand how the comparison is downplayed. The drunk driver still killed someone. Where is the difference? A drunk driver is not climbing behind the wheel with the expressed intent of going out and killing someone. It's a stupid thing to do, and as far as I'm concerned, any person who gets caught driving while intoxicated should lose their license for life. However, a woman going into an abortion clinic goes in with the expressed intent to murder her child. It is pre-meditated. There is only one outcome in an abortion. A human being dies. And that death was caused deliberately. Again...i'm failing to see the difference between a drunk driver killing someone, and a woman having an abortion. A lose of life has occured..due to sin. Does the word, "Intent" mean anything? That is the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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