Catsmeow Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 I didn't name names...and if that's what you believe, then we already are in agreement. I have only one strong argument...that NOBODY should rape, molest or disrobe prisoners for the purpose of humiliation and torture...under any condition. I would simply put my life in the hands of a mighty God who can deliver us from anything...if only we would walk according to HIS statutes and not the ways of the world. Sounds like we don't have an argument if that's your position. I am opposed STRONGLY to pornography under ALL conditions and in all cases. It's an abomination before God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 btw, since you haven't addressed this fact, which would you rather have, a non-humilated terrorist or thousands of dead innocents....that is what it boils down to... I believe that we are to trust God to preserve us by obedience. Do you remember how 3 Hebrew youths refused to bow down to an idol of the king and they were thrown into the firey furnice? They were willing to risk their lives in order to obey their God. Well, I am willing to trust God to protect our nation and place His hedge of protection upon us all by obeying his commands. He has made it exceedingly plain that we are to have NOTHING to do with the unfruitful works of darkness. Exposing naked men so their genitals are...uh...well, you get the idea...isn't honorable or obedient to God's commands. I remind anyone who hasn't read Jesus' commands to those who wanted to rise up against the Romans: Matt 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, We all seem to think we need to add to that and assume Jesus didn't know what he was talking about. I choose to trust my God to have victory over my enemy. Anyone else wanna try God first before defiling His commandments, thinking that will "save us". As for me, I'm going to bed with a clear heart and mind. :sleep: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 Sounds like we don't have an argument if that's your position. lol... I don't want to argue, actually I'm very angry and I'm very distressed about this. I apologize if I have said anything that has harmed you or anybody else in this thread. I understand what you say about porn, I agree, but nudity for the purpose of humiliation to garner infomation, for reasons I've stated, I support them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 at the risk of sounding "sympathetic" to those who violate the geneva convention, i have to wonder about something. yes, we should trust God to preserve us through obedience. but in the OT, when God sent His people into battle, He didn't dictate a geneva convention. yes, God is angry that any of our soldiers would stoop to such a level. but it's also quite possible that God's up there shaking His head in wonder that we're taking "prisoners" instead of "killing the enemy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 LadyC God's up there shaking His head in wonder that we're taking "prisoners" instead of "killing the enemy". or cutting their throat from ear to ear...What is funny is that one of those humilated people wants to live in the United States... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LadyC Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 i think sometimes people forget that God ordained killing the enemy in war. it was individuals that were commanded to turn the other cheek and love and pray for our enemies. in war, God often commanded even the women and children to be killed. those 7 soldiers, they violated God's command because they acted apart from the government. their actions were personal. there is no excuse, there is no justification. but while i can't know the mind of God, i can look back over biblical history and say that God MAY (key word beying may) not have wanted those POWs to have been allowed by our government to live long enough to be targeted by 7 unscrupulous soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senerhu Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,661 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 I have to feel sympathetic for those 7 at least until more facts come out. Other One posted a link to an article that stated the woman had been ordered to pose that way because it was particuarly humiliating to the Islamic men. hey, if she was ordered to do that, well, I don't think they should make her a scapegoat, unless she did something pornagraphic whick I don't think was right. As I understand it, those pictures were made to be shown to new detainees to help gain information by showing them what would, could happen to them if they didn't cooperate. I have to agree to that. And I also agree with what you said about the OT. Good posts ladyC, I enjoyed discussing this with you tonight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest faithless Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Wow, did anyone see the clip? Don't watch it if you can't take gruesome images. Now, for those who did see the clip, you'll have to agree with me that there many things that don't add up about it. It is very plausible that the whole thing is a hoax to relieve some of the pressure the admin has been under. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted May 12, 2004 Yesterday Ted Kennedy said that Saddam Hussein's torture chambers were 'open again under new management....U.S. management." With the beheading of this young civilian, do you suppose Mr. Kennedy--the nation's oldest juvenile delinquent--will temper his remarks? I'm given 27 to 1 odds against...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted May 12, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted May 12, 2004 Leonard...I rest my case. We're not a Christian nation and I see now how the AntiChrist will blind many believers because it's easy to do. Since people don't study the fallacies of argumentation, it's easy to lead them into all sorts of dispicable acts in the name of patriotism. I'm not against war. War happens. However, if nobody ever bothers to read my posts, I reinterate that WE made an agreement to abide by the rules of the Geneva Convention. If our enemy fails to abide by these rules, what happens? They're tried for war crimes. What about us? If we fail to abide by the Geneva Convention, what happens? Are we held accountable? Are we saying if our enemies act like barbarians, WE should act like barbarians? You know, nobody's even said the obvious. We're in THEIR country...not the other way around. They're angry. They don't want us there. Why are we there? Do we know? I used to support our being there because I trusted our military intelligence...which I find to be an oxymoron now. There IS no intelligence. That's an excuse to go in and take over. And...we have. Then people get real angry and fight back. Well, duh...I wonder why? If they came over here would WE fight back? Well, duh...I don't know. If they rape women and molest children - will we say, "Okay, they do it so we can lower our standards likewise!" Hm? Does anyone here have an opinion that matches Jesus Christ? Or are we saying we're now back at the OT? If you're gonna pin this on OT teachings, remember if you ever committed fornication or adultery, you should be stoned to death as well. We're NOT under the OT and we are under NEW orders by our Commander in Chief, the LORD JESUS CHRIST...and we are to act like Christians. They will know we are Christians by our love....not real popular and macho is it? But here it is...if people wanna mock...remember Psalm 1. 20 Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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