silviawang Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 Did Abraham believe G-D? justification by faith or by elect? All the pastors told me that G-D is our sheepherder and protector, we must totally depend on G-D,do to avoid try to depend on our own strength. So I find that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken2live4him Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 12 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/25/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/20/1972 Share Posted July 28, 2008 The bible clearly states that Abraham believed and it was accredited to him as righteousness. Sarah, if you recall the story of Abraham, decided to help out God and gave her servant Hagar to Abraham. Hagar bore Ishmael. Sarah offered Abraham another woman to sleep with, and he took his wife's offering of her servant. IF SARAH HAD DECIDED TO HAVE FAITH AND WAIT FOR GOD'S TIMING AS TO WHEN SHE WOULD BEAR A CHILD, we would not have the arab nations as we have them today. Abraham could have refused sleeping with Hagar, but he didn't for obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 Belief in God does not imply that we will always hold that belief perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 Belief in God does not imply that we will always hold that belief perfectly. Grace to you, Exactly brother Eric. The greatest thing about any of these Patriarchs is that they didn't deserve the unmerited favor that they attained by Faith. That's Good News for you and I because it means that God hasn't changed and that His Word holds True no matter the dispensation. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 Belief in God does not imply that we will always hold that belief perfectly. Grace to you, Exactly brother Eric. The greatest thing about any of these Patriarchs is that they didn't deserve the unmerited favor that they attained by Faith. That's Good News for you and I because it means that God hasn't changed and that His Word holds True no matter the dispensation. Peace, Dave In fact, the really encouraging thing is that the people in Genesis were flawed, yet God still used them. That encourages me greatly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 Belief in God does not imply that we will always hold that belief perfectly. Grace to you, Exactly brother Eric. The greatest thing about any of these Patriarchs is that they didn't deserve the unmerited favor that they attained by Faith. That's Good News for you and I because it means that God hasn't changed and that His Word holds True no matter the dispensation. Peace, Dave In fact, the really encouraging thing is that the people in Genesis were flawed, yet God still used them. That encourages me greatly Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2008 > (Gen 22 NIV) Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. {2} Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." < To which Abraham should have replied, "Take a hike." Grace to you, I'm not sure that I quite understand what it is that your trying to communicate here. Could you elaborate? Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted July 28, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.92 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted July 28, 2008 > (Gen 22 NIV) Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. {2} Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." < To which Abraham should have replied, "Take a hike." I'm not sure that I quite understand what it is that your trying to communicate here. Could you elaborate? If Abraham did not have great faith, this would have been his reaction. I am hoping this is what Dok Bi meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silviawang Posted July 29, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 Belief in God does not imply that we will always hold that belief perfectly. Grace to you, Exactly brother Eric. The greatest thing about any of these Patriarchs is that they didn't deserve the unmerited favor that they attained by Faith. That's Good News for you and I because it means that God hasn't changed and that His Word holds True no matter the dispensation. Peace, Dave In fact, the really encouraging thing is that the people in Genesis were flawed, yet God still used them. That encourages me greatly i know that the elect do not need to worry about lacking strength and righteousness，but if the faith is lacking too how to explain justification only by faith and ----------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silviawang Posted July 29, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 128 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 825 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 153 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 29, 2008 > (Gen 22 NIV) Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. {2} Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about." < To which Abraham should have replied, "Take a hike." I'm not sure that I quite understand what it is that your trying to communicate here. Could you elaborate? If Abraham did not have great faith, this would have been his reaction. I am hoping this is what Dok Bi meant. To this subject I think that Abraham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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