buckthesystem Posted September 20, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Author Share Posted September 20, 2008 bucks, you and I have already had a "go" at each other about this same subject, and saying what someone is saying is obscene and then trying to quality it by saying your not having a go at them is ludicrous. Scarlet I sure you really know the difference between condemning a person and condemning what they say! An example (only) if I said (which of course I would never do) "Scarlet is a horrible person" you would have the right to get really mad at me because I would be insulting you. However, if you made a speech to (say) the Girl Guides of America, saying that America should never have fought for independence in 1776 and I condemned that speech, that would be quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted September 20, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2008 Morning, you are doing an excellent job of missing the point that children are rebellious because they are sinners! Depraved just like the adults in our society and capable of the same evil. I agree that many children are abused or neglected but that is not every case. Even if a child is a spoiled brat from how they were raised they are still held accountable for their actions and will be punished for them. Regardless of how she got to that point this child was WAY out of line and knew better. She was rebellious, willful, violent, disrespectful, and out of control. Consequences should follow. Well then I guess you would be okay with someone using a taser on YOUR child (I'm willing to bet you wouldn't be.) Your comment about children being sinners is ludicrous; she isn't OLD ENOUGH to be accountable or to be treated like a convicted felon. Maybe YOU missed this part.... "I believe she should have been restrained but even wild animals are usually caught in a snare; not zapped with electricity. Did you miss the part about a taser being a potential cause of death in some people? That's why I mentioned the 'portable rubber room' for minors. It doesn't exist...but it should." You don't get a child to learn or change by hitting them with a painful and potentially lethal weapon. Look to kids that are beaten severely while growing up and note the pattern of criminality and cruelty that manifests as they grow older. (And, no, I'm NOT saying ALL of them.) They learn quickly that the biggest and most brutal gets the cookies. If you had read my first post you would have seen that I didnt think using a taser was the best idea since she was small. My problem with your posts was the fact you put all the blame for her actions on outside sources and that is inaccurate and unBiblical. If I had a child and she dared to rebell against authority and have the nerve to strike a police officer, I would tell her she got what she deserved. I would also give her a sound spanking at home. Kids need consequences or they grow up to be wild, uncontrollable, and a danger to society. How dare you equate being zapped with Taser, and someone beating their child.That is an absolutely different scenario. Children are humans and are capable of sin. They must be held accoutable for it. She is DEFINITELY old enough to be held accountable for her sin. Are you joking?? Is there some magic age you have to reach, before you can be punished for your sin? No one treated her like a felon, if they had she'd have been thrown in jail and charged with assault. You are definitely overreacting and placing all the blame on the adults instead of the child herself. "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction will drive it far from him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 The point is the deputy had to think "quickly" with a physically violent student. I think even if he didn't use the taser and tackled her to the ground he would have been condemned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs Posted September 20, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,081 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 53 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/13/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2008 The point is the deputy had to think "quickly" with a physically violent student. I think even if he didn't use the taser and tackled her to the ground he would have been condemned. Yes she would have. People always find something to have issue with - except the child who is to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted September 20, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 20, 2008 Couple of points.... To be fair, the student was arrested and charged with felony assault on a police officer and was held in Juvenile detention. This week she pled no contest. The officer was a female. She was 5'4" and 140lbs. The student was 5'5" and 160lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HIS girl Posted September 20, 2008 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Couple of points.... To be fair, the student was arrested and charged with felony assault on a police officer and was held in Juvenile detention. This week she pled no contest. The officer was a female. She was 5'4" and 140lbs. The student was 5'5" and 160lbs. Wow, in Aus you can physically assault an officer and get a $200 fine. Slap on the wrist really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetycakes Posted September 20, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 162 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,832 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,098 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/23/1964 Share Posted September 20, 2008 Kids should be chained up under the stairs and fed on bread and water until they are about 16 yo. That'll teach 'em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 Excuses, excuses, excuses... "The woman you put here with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 I'm 6'3" @ 280lbs...I would have done the same thing to the kid because it was warranted. Why? A guy your size can't handle a little girl's rage without a taser? How absurd. Until someone does it to one of YOUR kids, if you have any, you can talk anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted September 21, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted September 21, 2008 Excuses, excuses, excuses... "The woman you put here with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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