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because he most likely was raised muslim and lied about be a christian to get his job, I have not seen one thing he has done for christian belief ont other habd he has promoted muslim at every turn Tell that to the families of Muslim children killed by drones. so you do not think he has any muslim back ground, I said most likely ( not absolutely ) was raised muslim. I do think it is not most likely he was raised as a christian.

What is your evidence for belief? Or by what basis do you claim this? ................... What do you make of Sharia law becoming implemented in areas where Muslim populations are dominating? Seems to work well in the UK with Jewish "law" in certain civic matters, likewise Sikh "law"; could also work in similar civil areas for Sharia. But mainstream law must be pre-eminent in criminal matters and matters of human rights. problem is that is strictly against teachings of Islamic law. the basic goal of Islam is to make the whole world subject to sharia law thereby subject to Allah... and to do so by force if necessary Most Muslims are purely pragmatic about these things. And are perfectly happy to operate Sharia in some civil matters, alongside the over-riding criminal law system. Just as Jews have done for many, many years. It seems to work well in the UK for both Jewish and Muslim communities. Check this article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2020382/You-entering-Sharia-law-Britain-As-Islamic-extremists-declare-Sharia-law-zone-London-suburb-worrying-social-moral-implications.html

For your consideration. From the New Testament. Matthew 5 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them,he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. Something to think about regarding the OT. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks. I agree with v 18; I look at it like this God new before he sent Jesus to earth he would be rejected and many would stay under the old law; hense v 18 God new before he sent Jesus to earth he would need to institute the new law that was not as burdensome hense gal 3:24-25

Beloved Like Her Love Of The LORD And Her Love Of The Poorest Of The Poor That's Part Of Heidi. Did Anything She Shared Help To Turn You On To Jesus? I been turned on for 6 years. i know the bible fairly good ( not great ), have and understanding of the major concepts, spend most of my time reading Paul; not an OT kinda guy but read it twice. Jesus made a new law by faith not the letter. ignorant of all the man man concepts like legalism, just not concerned with those things.Im open to any questions; will give my view and hope someone can show me if that view is wrong or right.

post # 7 Can I ask - what makes you think there might be an inner court for the jews? I was reiterating the ANE cosmology understanding of "heaven" for anyone interested - don't feel it is aimed only at you . I took that from Rev 11;2 please remember i have no biblical training my thought are just what I think and can be changed by someone willing to show me better understanding which why I am here to hopefully improve by people like you willing to explain my misunderstandings. No problem. Let me show you a scripture I think might illuminate things for you a bit Gal 3 Sons and Heirs 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. In context I believe it teaches that the Gentiles and the Jews now have access to the one salvation, the one promise. There is now no difference in how men and women, greek and Jew, slave or free, can access salvation via Jesus. Everyone is on the one page when it comes to salvation. So that's why I don't think that there would be an inner court for the Jews - because I believe we all now have the one access. The next chapter reiterates the same kind of message: 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all. I hope that helps. I agree that there is only one way to salvation, thru Jesus, and that way is the same for Jews and Gentiles, men and women, slave and free. Now, the question is not so much salvation, as it is the same way for all, but more about our varying roles, callings, etc. While we all agree that there is only one way to salvation, I don't think anyone would agree that after salvation, men and women no longer exist. Or that men and women have the exact same jobs, callings, etc. I agree with that; i can not imagine myself equal to a preacher If i do get chosen to be there. I think they will be different jobs so to speak for each person according to their abilities. Presently i personally think a job like riding on the back of a garbage truck ( which I did at 16; summer job; hard work ) is as important as a ceo making 10 million a year. That ceo has no where to sit with out a chair builder. i think God would kinda look at things like that; different assignments but equal regardless of assignment. Equal to a preacher?Not all preachers will even make it to heaven.Preachers should not exalt themselves but they should be humble like Jesus. ok i see the oneness and i think you are right, i want to thank you for sticking with it and showing me what i'm missing.I agree rev 11:2 is out Isa 28:9-10 is in

i think it is just a good healthy morale booster. I think down deep we all know no matter what our little minds conjure up is not really what it will be like we really can not imagine.

I tried telling myself that but I would not listen to myself as I do my on cleaning.

cool, ya dun good. Gbu and yours

Hey so I'm interested in something. How do you understand God sending Jesus as "God on earth" ... and how does it work with this scripture? I'm not saying either are wrong. But there is obviously a nuance to that scripture I've missed. Perhaps it is because the icons / carved images are created rather than the Creator? And when Jesus came, it wasn't an image, it was the real deal? I am not certainly not an expert in that verse - but would like to hear your thoughts. I'm no expert either. This is the way see and understand this issue. Others will no doubt see it differently and I'm fine with that. I do not have an agenda. I'm simply stating my beliefs. There are no physical descriptions of Jesus in the bible. (The one in Revelation doesn't count.) God is basically saying in that passage, "You have no idea what I look like, and if you make any religious images, I'll consider it an act of corruption". That image of Jesus that we all recognize is a direct violation of that passage. It's a transgression of the Word. It's a religious image of a male. Since flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, it's only natural to assume that Jesus is now a Spirit and spirits are invisible. The bible describes God as an invisible Spirit. Invisible means you can't see Him. If you can't see Him, what name really belongs to that image? Just my thoughts. I think this is a description of him during his time on earth, of course it was penned long before he came. while he was on earth he had a form; human form. I could be wrong but in this verse "form" is not referring to the concept in the deu verse. Also the rules, guide lines and laws I go by are all in the New Testament so the Deu verse does not apply. Gal 3 24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.

just thought I would throw in a happy belated birthday.

post # 7 Can I ask - what makes you think there might be an inner court for the jews? I was reiterating the ANE cosmology understanding of "heaven" for anyone interested - don't feel it is aimed only at you . I took that from Rev 11;2 please remember i have no biblical training my thought are just what I think and can be changed by someone willing to show me better understanding which why I am here to hopefully improve by people like you willing to explain my misunderstandings. No problem. Let me show you a scripture I think might illuminate things for you a bit Gal 3 Sons and Heirs 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. In context I believe it teaches that the Gentiles and the Jews now have access to the one salvation, the one promise. There is now no difference in how men and women, greek and Jew, slave or free, can access salvation via Jesus. Everyone is on the one page when it comes to salvation. So that's why I don't think that there would be an inner court for the Jews - because I believe we all now have the one access. The next chapter reiterates the same kind of message: 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all. I hope that helps. I agree that there is only one way to salvation, thru Jesus, and that way is the same for Jews and Gentiles, men and women, slave and free. Now, the question is not so much salvation, as it is the same way for all, but more about our varying roles, callings, etc. While we all agree that there is only one way to salvation, I don't think anyone would agree that after salvation, men and women no longer exist. Or that men and women have the exact same jobs, callings, etc. I agree with that; i can not imagine myself equal to a preacher If i do get chosen to be there. I think they will be different jobs so to speak for each person according to their abilities. Presently i personally think a job like riding on the back of a garbage truck ( which I did at 16; summer job; hard work ) is as important as a ceo making 10 million a year. That ceo has no where to sit with out a chair builder. i think God would kinda look at things like that; different assignments but equal regardless of assignment.

post # 7 Can I ask - what makes you think there might be an inner court for the jews? I was reiterating the ANE cosmology understanding of "heaven" for anyone interested - don't feel it is aimed only at you . I took that from Rev 11;2 please remember i have no biblical training my thought are just what I think and can be changed by someone willing to show me better understanding which why I am here to hopefully improve by people like you willing to explain my misunderstandings. No problem. Let me show you a scripture I think might illuminate things for you a bit Gal 3 Sons and Heirs 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. In context I believe it teaches that the Gentiles and the Jews now have access to the one salvation, the one promise. There is now no difference in how men and women, greek and Jew, slave or free, can access salvation via Jesus. Everyone is on the one page when it comes to salvation. So that's why I don't think that there would be an inner court for the Jews - because I believe we all now have the one access. The next chapter reiterates the same kind of message: 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you[a] all. I hope that helps. yes i read that before and I dont disagree with it. the one thing I have not overcome is me, myself and I. Hopefully I will be in heaven one day and it is hard to understand how i could be level with Paul or John or for that matter some on this forum Ive met. Plus the 5 different crowns that different believers can receive.

a mansion can be different to different people as we all have a different station in life. I think God will be willing to give those he chooses to be there there desires so my mansion in heaven would not be your version of a mansion. just a thought

post # 7 Can I ask - what makes you think there might be an inner court for the jews? I was reiterating the ANE cosmology understanding of "heaven" for anyone interested - don't feel it is aimed only at you . I took that from Rev 11;2 please remember i have no biblical training my thought are just what I think and can be changed by someone willing to show me better understanding which why I am here to hopefully improve by people like you willing to explain my misunderstandings.

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1. The Crown of life - James 1:12, Rev. 2:10. This crown can be earned two ways - by enduring temptation, or by suffering a martyr's death. I believe the temptation referred to in James 1 is the temptation to deny Christ (as Peter did - and as many other martyr's and sufferer's for Jesus' sake did. Many gave in, and denied Christ. The blessing is that they still do not lose their salvation - see II Timothy 2:12-13.) 2. The Incorruptible Crown - I Cor. 9:25. This crown is earned by being temperate and moderate in our Christian life. Those who learn to keep their flesh under control, and live under the control of the Holy Spirit will earn this crown. I believe the context of I Cor. 9:24-27 explains it pretty well. 3. The Crown of Righteousness - II Tim. 4:8. This crown is earned by loving the Lord's appearing. This is not some type of intellectual agreement that the Lord is going to return, but rather a heart felt longing for it that keeps us faithful to the end. Again, the context helps us understand the meaning - see v. 7 and v. 10. 4. The Crown of Joy - I Thess. 2:19 - This crown is earned by leading others to Christ. Some refer to it as the "Soul-Winner's Crown." 5. The Crown of Glory - I Peter 5:1-4 - There is much disagreement about who actually earns this reward. The super-hyper-fundamentalists who are always so positive, and who are always trying to bribe people into doing things for THEM instead of for the LORD include EVERYONE in this reward. Sunday School Teachers, Bus Captains, deacons, etc., are all candidates. I disagree. I believe the context is clear. This is a specific reward given to the ELDERS of the church, which could actually include the deacons. However, I believe the context limits this reward to the pastors - the spiritual leaders of the church. This could indicate levels

well Im glad my last flight broke me from flying, so im safe.

happy birth day to you.

There is no such thing as "good people". Romans 3 tells us that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". I believe God has put the law in our hearts so we know what is right and wrong, but even still, we sin, and unbelievers sin, so I don't actually think there is scripture support for an idea that certain groups of non believers would not take the mark. That is, presuming it is a physical mark (which I doubt) I think even some believers will stumble and take the mark. Semantics. Let me rephrase that. For 'good; substitute the word(s) 'kind', 'loving' or whatever you think is appropriate. I think you are right. From one perspective the good people will be gone. from another perspective of whoever is left some of them will not be as bad as others so they become the good. I agree with you there should be some who refuse the mark and realize Jesus is real.

I have no doubt that God understands the desire, but the thing that needs to be examined is, does He approve of those desires? You should look into that. Here's a good place to start. Deuteronomy 4 15 “Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, 16 lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, what if you do not worship the picture how does that hurt?

yes i do so i do believe Jesus done this, i was under the impression Jesus took this physical form because he was dealing with the disciples at that time in earth history for them to really understand his message as they did have difficulty grasping his message at times; he came to them in his physical body so they could see and feel him and know for sure there is life after death of the human body. It seems you are saying we will have human bodies even though you have not actually said we will, hope this sentence makes since. the verses i quoted give the impression we won,t be human, can you address them for me. The Jaw Dropping Truth Is Jesus, The SON Of God And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 1 John 4:14-15 The Creator Of Everything Became All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3 Forever The Son Of Man Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Matthew 1:18-25 And He And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. Luke 4:17-19 Is Our Kinsmen Redeemer For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. Matthew 18:11 My LORD Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts. Jeremiah 15:16 And My God The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:25-28 ~ Yes, We Are Human And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And Through Christ Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:2 Sons For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. Romans 8:15 ~ I Pray This Is Of Some Use To Draw The Reader To The Feet Of The God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Love, Joe must be me I do not see how to connect your post to my question, sorry i dont get it

Not sure but it sounded like she was speaking in tongues a couple times, that turns me off without an interpreter present.

I know what you mean I had one dog growing up from 3 til about 13 and I would love to have him back. Ecc 3: 19-22 makes me think no earthly animals go to heaven. i could be wrong and will admit being wrong if someone shows I misunderstand. Isa 65:17 make me think God has a way; if we get to heaven; that we shall not remember life on earth whether that is a favorite pet or a sibling or friend that did not make it. If we make to heaven and all we can think about is our pet or friend or sibling that did not make it how great would heaven be? I sometime just slowly ride down the rode and look at all the different creations right before our eyes the diversity is huge and unfathomable, and know and believe this is no where as great as heaven will be, makes you pull over and say a prayer. i to hope we can explore other areas God has created besides what we see from earth.

just my thoughts i think it is in reference to how David sought God and his ways. Salt is a preservative

yes i do so i do believe Jesus done this, i was under the impression Jesus took this physical form because he was dealing with the disciples at that time in earth history for them to really understand his message as they did have difficulty grasping his message at times; he came to them in his physical body so they could see and feel him and know for sure there is life after death of the human body. It seems you are saying we will have human bodies even though you have not actually said we will, hope this sentence makes since. the verses i quoted give the impression we wont be human, can you address them for me.