Micheal Westin

well considering China owns the United States as a soon foreclosing debtor, she might as well take the lead position, should start teaching you kids Chinese they will need it to work for their new masters

according to Revelations the church is a group of people in a certian area, or city, some will overcome and some will not

well that's an interesting idea, as if organized crime will follow the laws, or they will simply be the only ones with illegal sim cards this is the same idea for taking away guns, then only the criminals will have them, wow that's smart!

I applaud both the Germans and Brazilian governments, government has so over stepped the boundaries of freedom, and its only matter of time when these same powers will be used against people, if they are not all ready You applaud censorship and restriction of what a citizen is allowed to see or read? Seriously? you must not understand what the filter does, people can go anywhere on the web in Germany and Brazil the filter simply makes it impossible to follow your travel to your address, much the same way "Hide your IP" websites work

Interesting point....Can prayer change GODs decision? I don't think so, but I'm open to some scriptual support to the contrary. Based on the verse above, it dosen;t seem like he changed his mind, he just pushed the end date out. Again from GODs perspective 15 yrs is not much, if GOD says a day is like a thousand years for him. Jeremiah 18:7-10 God most certainly will change His plans. this is all through the bible, 1 Kings 21:28 2 Kings 20:1-6 Isaiah 38:5 Amos 7:3-6 Jonah 3:10 Joel 2:13 Exodus 32:14 1 Samuel 2:30 even God's promise can be changed if people make it so detestable to keep them in a promised position such as the priesthood promised to Aaron and his descendent Eli America thinks God will overlook the great sins she commits but she is about to be judged

I would say fake tongues is the result of falsely understanding that everyone speaks in tongues, we see clearly from Pauls teaching that the gifts of the Holy Spirit vary and not everyone gets the same gifts........Pentecostals will do what ever it takes to manifest the gift of tongues as they are taught its the only sign that confirms you are saved

judging according to what the bible teaches is OK, making personal judgments about people and their destination is not, although one could say if you continue in that path according to the bible it says that those who live that way will not inherit salvation

seems Hezekiah was able to lengthen his life by 15 yrs, through prayer and supplication, personally we see God never changes, but scripturally we see he has relented and changed his mind for the course of future for quite a few people both in both life and death

when your told endlessly Jesus comes before the antichrist, guess who most of the church will follow, the guy who comes first saying " I am God"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQOX8EVNmE Canadians seem to be pretty smart

She tells the truth, its amazing how God opens the eyes of people and allows them to see these fabrications the media tries to sell the public, may God's wrath come hard against the people who would use children and kill them for no other purpose than a method of propaganda. nothing more sad than seeing dead children

every American needs to know and understand the truth behind gun control laws

If this was the case! and there really wasn't one pat answer and several people who answered in a similar fashion of what God's love meant to them, then why in the world would you say something along the lines "up until this point nobody seems to be able to give the correct answer" (my paraphrase) leading the whole thread participation to believe you have some secret knowledge of what the love of God is and why this seemingly secret knowledge is almost crucial for ones salvation, and nobody on the thread GETS IT! except you! Its no wonder "Man" didn't want to give you an answer, who would ? and it really seemed like a tag team event of Christian badgering someone who didn't feel led to join a church Is this what the ministry of this site boils down to, badgering people, to the point they have to ask the moderators to "let it go" and God forbid anyone speak out against such behavior because we know the ramifications for that! thanks for posting a clear correct answer of what the love of God means to you and finally explaining that there was no ONE correct answer , its all water over the dam at this point. actually I find there are whole sections on this site that prove practically to be "speed traps" for the lack of better wording, why have threads that Moderators can't tolerate the things discussed in them, this makes absolutely no sense what's so ever. It would be the equivalent of having the Nazi's decide what Jews get to live and which ones must go. Why have them if they bother the moderators so bad! If some crazy alien conspiracy didn't exist then why in the world are they discussing such top secret contingency plans on the senate floor, for what seems to be some kind of invasion, and from what the speaker says it not a foreign army. And the secretary of defense in Canada is seeking full discloser in hopes that we will make peace with these "alien" (fallen angels)

I couldn't agree more with you, this is a fellowship of believers, and where two or more are gathered in His name Jesus is here with us

The big deal is that they are teaching false things about the gospel. gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Jesus, His apostles, did not preach a gospel which included shunning the technology of the civilization around them or suggest that failing to adhere to complex rules leading to excommunication is tied up in the salvation of people. they have the correct gospel, Jesus the Son of God, dying on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, repenting and believing in Jesus Christ everything else will be tested by fire So that I had a better understanding of Christianity, I had a mentor/teacher, tell me to go to various church services to compare them and note the apparent differing beliefs. I went to a Lutheran service, a Roman Catholic service, a Congregational service, a Unitarian Universalist service, and a few others. Lutherans teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Romans Catholics teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Congregationalists teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Unitarian Universalists do not teach the Jesus is the Son of God who dies on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, etc. So, this is the only religious group which is not Christian at least in form. I did not go to a Mormon service, but according to the Mormon website, Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died as an atonement for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is the Son of God, Who died for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. yes that is the gospel the bible teaches Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth , Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. Is this not the gospel that is saving you? Yes, and no. If I confess with my mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in my heart that God raised Him from the dead, I will receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who leads us into truth. Now, if I then believe the Jesus is not God, and argue that Jesus is not God, do I really have the indwelling Holy Spirit? If I was baptized as a baby, and believe that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead, and that my baptism when I was a baby plus those beliefs includes me among those who are saved, is my faith in Jesus or in my baptism for salvation? If I believe Jesus is Lord and God raised Him from the dead, and, as a member of the church which teaches the uncompromised truth and that church membership is important to be counted among the saved, is my faith in Jesus and my church membership? There are a lot of groups which teach the fundmentals plus add to them. Salvation is by grace thru faith in Jesus completed work. Some children were raised in homes of church going parents. Children claim to be the religion of the parents, and believe what they have been taught, but have not truly placed their faith in Jesus alone. It is not the good news/gospel which saves. It is actually Jesus Who saves. the bible clearly teaches what the foundation of the faith is, and what is built on this foundation will be tested with fire, from this fire we see some escaping through the flames of their theology and errant beliefs, after being tested with fire much of their added doctrine and rhetoric will be destroyed yet their faith in belief that Jesus is the Son of God and died for their sins is clearly the saving gospel. and while suffering great loss they will still be saved! this truth can be found in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. some people like to add to the gospel that saves, and some of their added theology is of gold and precious stones, and from what we see in some of the churches that have added whole books of beliefs which will burn like straw on the day of the Lord Ok, so you are assuming that a person who denies the Deity of Jesus is saved, as long as they believe He is the Son. And you are assuming that a person who believes that Jesus had brothers is saved, as long as He is regarded as the Son. And you are assuming that a person who believes that Jesus died for sin, and a person who believes has all of their sins up to that point forgiven, but must do something to get their sins forgiven after the moment of belief. There are all kinds of variations, many which are not considered valid by much of Christianity. Based on your view, Mormons and JW's are saved. I still go back to the scripture which says. Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ These verses go on to say that some people have built their houses on sand, which will not hold up. I have met people who called themselves Christians, and when I asked when they became a Christian, they will say they have been a Christian since they were born. No one is born (physically) a Christian, even if they have been taught that Jesus is the Son of God Who died for sin and rose again. They might believe that to be true to some extent, but have never placed their faith in Jesus. Are there false messiahs? The sad answer is yes. Do some teach falsely about Jesus? Yes. Is a false Jesus really the Jesus Who saves? No. A false Jesus presents a false New Covenant. If a person accepts a false version of the New Covenant, there is no salvation offered by God in the false new covenant. I would try to really see what the context was for Jesus refusing those who said "Lord, Lord" He gives His reason at the end of the verse .......they practice lawlessness and they did not do the will of the Father, its also important to read the prior verses to see what this is actually addressing, the work of false prophets and their false teachings and what appears to be what is considered miracles and the casting out of demons and wonderful prophecies context would attribute the "Lord"" Lord" statement to be from these false prophets, as the whole passage is completely directed at them and their actions

while I believe in the trinity, I don't see it in scripture (anywhere) as a game changer, believing Jesus is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for the redemption of our sins is the good news (gospel), If this is the foundation its only what's added to it that will be tested with fire.

Neither Mormons or JW's believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. These two cults are not Christian. I would agree that they are not Christian, but based on the statement that belief the Jesus is the Son of God Who died for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus, both Mormons and JW's would agree with that statement. It is what is added which nullifies them as Christian. But that summarizes my point in the entirety. Many people and many religious groups would state that Jesus is the Son of God Who died for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus, but it is what is added which actually determines the persons state. 1. What other religions besides Christianity believe Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God? Please name a couple or at least one (technically, Christians do not believe they are a religion but for sake of yr post)? 2. Mormons: Mormons believe that there are in fact four sources of divinely inspired words, not just one: 1) The Bible “as far as it is translated correctly.” Which verses are considered incorrectly translated is not always made clear. 2) The Book of Mormon, which was “translated” by Smith and published in 1830. Smith claimed it is the “most correct book” on earth and that a person can get closer to God by following its precepts “than by any other book.” 3) The Doctrine and Covenants, containing a collection of modern revelations regarding the “Church of Jesus Christ as it has been restored.” 4) The Pearl of the Great Price, which is considered by Mormons to “clarify” doctrines and teachings that were lost from the Bible and adds its own information about the earth's creation. Mormons believe the following about God: He has not always been the Supreme Being of the universe, but attained that status through righteous living and persistent effort. They believe God the Father has a “body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s.” Though abandoned by modern Mormon leaders, Brigham Young taught that Adam actually was God and the father of Jesus Christ. ouch. not Christian They also believe that Jesus is the brother of the devil. really. Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/Mormons.html#ixzz2hzoDhp6p (this info can be found all over the net ) They present what most people think they believe, but once you get into their teaching, you find that it does not agree with the Bible 2. JW: The Jehovah's Witnesses were founded by Charles Taze Russell, a former haberdasher from Philadelphia, in early 1872 in Alleghany, Pa. Russell was born on Feb. 16, 1852 in Pittsburgh, and died on Oct. 31, 1916. He was baptized a Congregationalist, and was raised in a strict Protestant family. His later study of the Bible led him to deny the existence of hell and the doctrine of the Trinity, and to express Arian views concerning the nature of Jesus Christ, denying His divinity. According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, there is one God, and since 1931, they have insisted that He be called "Jehovah." This is a corruption in the pronunciation of the Hebrew <Yahweh>, which occurred about the third century B.C. and was carried into the King James Bible's translation of <Yahweh> in Exodus 6:3. The Jehovah's Witnesses say that Jesus is God's Son, but is inferior to God. They condemn the Trinity as pagan idolatry and accordingly deny Christ's divinity. Russell even claimed that the Trinity was the idea of Satan. Ironically, however, when they baptize, they use the formula, "...In the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Nevertheless, the Jehovah's Witnesses consider Jesus as the greatest Witness of all, inferior to no one except Jehovah Himself. Before existing as a human being, Jesus was a spiritual creature called the Logos, or Word, or even Michael the Archangel. He died as a man and was raised as an immortal Spirit-Son. His passion and death were the price He paid to regain for mankind the right to live eternally on earth. Indeed, the great multitude of true Witnesses hope in an earthly Paradise (These teachings echo the heresies which the early Church condemned beginning at the council of Nicea in 325). more ouch. These views of Jesus and other views, are usually spoken of as 'another Jesus'...ie NOT the Jesus of the Bible Its another Jesus? you mean there was another Jesus born of a virgin Mary, who had a husband named Joseph and both had the same genealogy as both of the Mary and Joseph we know from our bible going all the way back to the Fathers of the faith Abraham, Moses and all the others. I believe they have the same Jesus, they simply have added a whole bunch of stuff that is completely false, they are who Paul writes about in the building on the foundation of Christ, all the straw will be burned up but the people who confess Jesus is the Lord and believe in their heart that He died on the cross for the salvation of their souls will be saved just as Paul clearly teaches they will be in 1 Cor 3:15

I applaud both the Germans and Brazilian governments, government has so over stepped the boundaries of freedom, and its only matter of time when these same powers will be used against people, if they are not all ready

It seems it could be possible for a filter to limit what information Google could follow, like what addresses were searching for what content, much the same way you can hide your address with some server sites

considering many children will be sacrificed that night as with other satanic holy days I choose not to participate as my spirit is grieved and it seems inappropriate to celebrate. you can u-tube a generational satanist who was converted to Christianity and hear his personal testimony of what he took part in on Halloween as a child of a satan worshiping family I know its hard for some Christians to actually believe real families actually sacrifice children in blood sacrifices and other horrific occult practices but its been going on since the beginning of time, from old testament days all the way up till now, Its in the bible, and Jesus Himself backs there is a synagogue (church) of satan that existed in his day

The big deal is that they are teaching false things about the gospel. gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Jesus, His apostles, did not preach a gospel which included shunning the technology of the civilization around them or suggest that failing to adhere to complex rules leading to excommunication is tied up in the salvation of people. they have the correct gospel, Jesus the Son of God, dying on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, repenting and believing in Jesus Christ everything else will be tested by fire So that I had a better understanding of Christianity, I had a mentor/teacher, tell me to go to various church services to compare them and note the apparent differing beliefs. I went to a Lutheran service, a Roman Catholic service, a Congregational service, a Unitarian Universalist service, and a few others. Lutherans teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Romans Catholics teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Congregationalists teach that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Unitarian Universalists do not teach the Jesus is the Son of God who dies on the cross as a sacrifice for sins, etc. So, this is the only religious group which is not Christian at least in form. I did not go to a Mormon service, but according to the Mormon website, Mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died as an atonement for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is the Son of God, Who died for sins, and one must repent and believe in Jesus. yes that is the gospel the bible teaches Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth , Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. Is this not the gospel that is saving you? Yes, and no. If I confess with my mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in my heart that God raised Him from the dead, I will receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who leads us into truth. Now, if I then believe the Jesus is not God, and argue that Jesus is not God, do I really have the indwelling Holy Spirit? If I was baptized as a baby, and believe that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead, and that my baptism when I was a baby plus those beliefs includes me among those who are saved, is my faith in Jesus or in my baptism for salvation? If I believe Jesus is Lord and God raised Him from the dead, and, as a member of the church which teaches the uncompromised truth and that church membership is important to be counted among the saved, is my faith in Jesus and my church membership? There are a lot of groups which teach the fundmentals plus add to them. Salvation is by grace thru faith in Jesus completed work. Some children were raised in homes of church going parents. Children claim to be the religion of the parents, and believe what they have been taught, but have not truly placed their faith in Jesus alone. It is not the good news/gospel which saves. It is actually Jesus Who saves. the bible clearly teaches what the foundation of the faith is, and what is built on this foundation will be tested with fire, from this fire we see some escaping through the flames of their theology and errant beliefs, after being tested with fire much of their added doctrine and rhetoric will be destroyed yet their faith in belief that Jesus is the Son of God and died for their sins is clearly the saving gospel. and while suffering great loss they will still be saved! this truth can be found in 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. some people like to add to the gospel that saves, and some of their added theology is of gold and precious stones, and from what we see in some of the churches that have added whole books of beliefs which will burn like straw on the day of the Lord

Plural Your point? I think brother Fez is suggesting all believers are sustained by Jesus. Amen ! Would also suggest that they, as Acts says, gathered together. Like Jesus is coming back for His bride, His church, and He wrote to seven of them to make His point. I find that He wrote to seven of them was to point out only a FEW from each of the six of them, would be found worthy "to wear the white robe" "given some hidden manna", "given a white stone with a new name" "give authority over the nations" I gather It was to point out that the majority of those in the pews were not going to be found as "Overcomers" and were in need of complete repentance. So in six out of seven, the majority of the people and what they were teaching was/is in error, only one church in the seven holds the key of David. I have to say those are not the best odds 1 out of 7 your in an errant church.

glad you kept it short

mainly its a future event because the second coming of Jesus Christ is tied directly with the antichrist being destroyed 2 Thessalonians 2:8 (And then the lawless one (antichrist) will be revealed, Whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming ) there's no way to get around this plain biblical fact, the antichrist and the real Christ are two inseparable events, you can't have the antichrist without the following and direct coming of the real Christ The Lord Jesus who is king of kings and Lord of Lords