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Religions are their own shortcoming. Doctrines, traditions, observances, these sort of things obfuscate the truth. The pretentious appearance of faith accompanied by hypocritical judgement is the mark of the religious body.

Which verse?

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Im certain John wasnt all that comely living in the wilderness with unkempt hair, nazarite that he was, feeding on locusts and honey.

Heres a few verses which are supportive. Revelations 21:2 "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Jeremiah 6:2 "I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman." Isaiah 51:16 "And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people."

Sorry I didnt answer your question. Yes it has merit. Ill see what I can find in scripture which will support the notion.

Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Its not about genealogy anymore its by faith. There will be those who contest that fact but its clear by the use of neither Jew nor Greek. Hope thats helpful.

As if heaven and earth arent enough. Science actually proves God, maybe not to unbelievers, but every scientific principle Ive learned has led me back to our Father. Big bang and big crunch theories are just another way of saying Alpha and Omega. Static dynamic. Absolute relative. All these opposites are just good and evil. Its all about faith. Put all the notes together and you get white noise. Put all the frequencies of light together and its white light. There really is no such thing as darkness its perceptual awareness which is lacking. Black is deep violet and it absorbs all the frequencies of light whereas white reflects. Its like pride and humility where the proud take everything in and the humble give it all away. I know this isnt miraculous or advanced scientific theory but science is relatively uncertain in principle. lol If you dont know why I laugh, its a play on words, the theory of relativity and the uncertainty principle are both concepts in physics. There is no such thing as objective research, seek and you shall find, there needs to be a subject to observe the object and theyre looking for what they want to see then translate what they see into lines and curves that we call terms, wether numerical or alphabetical, but it boils down to belief. To me Gods silence speaks volumes. I figure sometimes He just wants us to be silent and listen intently. You have to remember that a wicked and froward generation seeketh a sign and none shall be given save the sign of Jonas. Just some personal thoughts. Give God praise for everything wether good or bad and youll see even in these times God is in control. Job is a good example if your looking for some scripture to help with these questions.

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." This isnt our world. The kingdom of heaven is like the stars: some dwindle to white dwarfs as their love grows cold, others in there pursuit of gold go supernova and lose everything; but they do get their precious metal, and then there are those stars who take the weight of sin upon their shoulders, like Jesus took up the cross, and blot out sin like the Father yet to all those other stars it seems as if theyve collapsed upon themselves under the weight because they cant see the Light of eternal Truth beyond the event horizon.

Theres no saving this world.

No.

Adam.

Someone mentioned signs in the heavens so heres some of what I remember from scripture. Isaiah 30:25 "And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall. 26Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." Acts 2:20 "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:" I know that permafrost is melting. I have no refernce but a few years ago I saw on either discovery channel or the learning channel that the mountains caps are also melting. Ill google it later when I have more time. This passage always interested me: Revelations 6:16 "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" All I can think of when I read that passage is the military installations around the world like Iron Mountain and the D.U.M.B.s' (deep underground military bases) many of which are located near mountainous regions. Could be my imagination, I know that mountains in prophecy do represent kingdoms in some instances, if it is literal then it seems likely those installations are where theyll be.

If anyone is averse to the testing of spirits then they arent worth listening to especially if they espouse false doctrines. Ive never seen anyone concede that a doctrine they preach is false even with a mountain of scripture that proves otherwise. Pride is a strange beast that prefers to maintain a lie rather than actually be right.

Sharia law was brought up so I figured Id share some info. The law is the power of sin. Corinthians 15:56 "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law." The dragon gives its power to the beast. Revelations 13:4 "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?" There are four forms of law that govern the world, civil, common, sharia, and customary, of course there are many branches of law but they all share root. These four are composed of the laws of nations and kingdoms since the Babylonian codex of "Hammurabi" Nimrod. Babylon the harlot sits on many waters which are nations. Revelations 17:5 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Just some thoughts that came to mind to share.

Amen and thank you. Truly all glory be to God.

larryt we have similar grounds. I learned about the strawman from the freeman movement then found some websites here and there which are very informative, as far as admiralty and common law in relation to the beasts, but I havent seen anything about the fact Jesus was arrested as I AM. I just began to get a deeper understanding of it all.

I understand Gary and I appreciate that you have taken the time to consider all of this. Ive found many people have limits to how much they are willing to know about the reality of the beasts. For many it seems they prefer the beasts were just symbols of mental defect, philosophical abstractions, just ideas, but when it gets real they run for the hills. Like I said Im not trying to be alarming but I have this feeling that I cant shake that the noose is tightening and theres preparations being made by the Holy Spirit to strengthen and reinforce our armor while sharpening the sword of the Word.

Exodus 33:20" And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." Matthitjah Uh oh indeed. It appears you have no problem with lying to "prove" youre "right". When does the truth become more important than protecting lies to maintain your false pride? You guys are insulting yourselves with no reason to do so. For those of you disagreeing with th1bill about Jesus dying; he is right about Jesus only suffering bodily death, the body is a seed which must die for the quickening but eternal life is exactly that; eternal. The problem everyone seems to be having is with multiplicity. The term elohiym is used in Psalm 82:6 where it says we are "I say you are gods sons of the Most High." Jesus made reference to Psalm 82:6 in John 10:34. Seek it yourself so you may find and stop shooting me the messenger. I love ewe guise and I want you to know that we are one. It will make the trials ahead easier to comprehend and live through. I write you guys as ewe guise because a ewe is a female lamb and we are the Bride of the Lamb hence ewe guise. The guise of the Bride of the Lamb. You can use that if you like. Yew is also applicable like Jew because it really is Yew not Jew as J didnt exist until 15th or 16th century. Make pun of punishment. I hope you all understand we all have knowledge to share if we can agree not to read into the scripture or take out, no adding or subtracting, and if we stop dividing ourselves against one another. Lets multiply our knowledge! Itll be more fun than proving eachother wrong.

Im not of much help with the question but I will say thanks for sharing the words of the Holy Spirit.

th1bill I wasnt attempting to hijack your post. I agreed with some of your OP in that Jesus didnt necessarily die in the sense most people consider to be death i.e. total annihilation but I couldnt in good conscience fail to address the term trinity. I will not continue to present evidence because what Ive already written is sufficient and truly I dont want the topic to stray from your OP but I will respond to Matthitjah because it would be rude not to. I have a couple passages which support that Jesus didnt die in the spiritual sense but undoubtedly he suffered bodily death. John 11:26 "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Considering that those who believe shall never die its safe to say that the one they believe in also wouldnt. Another passage which is supportive: Mark 12:27 "He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." th1bill I hope those passages can help aid your work as we are both students of the Lord and its a delight for us to share in His knowledge. @Matthitjah I dont want to get too deep into a philosophical discussion about paradox but yes I am very familiar with paradox and Ill list several examples. First though; Moses only saw Gods back yet Adam spoke with God face to face so I negate and reinforce your arguement respectively. •The universe is an infinite sphere whos center is everywhere and circumference is nowhere. •Asymptote: parallel lines which converge in infinty. •Singularity: an infinitely dense mass. •i: the imaginary number or the square root of negative one. •Energy is equal to mass multiplied by the velocity of the speed of light squared yet theres nothing faster than the speed of light so how could light be squared to multiply by mass and equate to energy? •Lastly a paradoxic oxymoron: absolutely relative. All of those paradoxes are essentially the same paradox which in itself is paradoxic as if paradox were a parading parody of particulars. =)

Ill just give you guys all my Bible quotes on the beasts so far. The Beasts Ezekiel 29:3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself. Ezekiel 32:2 2 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him:“‘You are like a lion among the nations; you are like a monster in the seas thrashing about in your streams, churning the water with your feet and muddying the streams. Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD your God from the land of Egypt, and you shall know no god but me: for there is no savior besides me.5I did know you in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.6According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.7Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:8I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her cubs, and will tear the fat of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.9 O Israel, you have destroyed yourself; but in me is your help. Daniel 7:2 Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. 3 Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea. 4 “The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it.5 “And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up and eat your fill of flesh!’6 “After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.7 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. Revelations 13: 1 The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2 The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.

I hear you larryt language is babble to me, I understand conceptually, terms are just a formality of communication. Ive never much cared for the letter; I think phonetically. Gary I hope this will clarify I dont mean to be cryptic. I was wondering if anyone else has noticed that I AM is legal fiction, I dont mean God is legal fiction, the NAME the law was contracted under. I find this important because Jesus wouldnt let the officers take Him as Jesus of Nazareth, He was adamant about the fact that they would be arresting I AM, and under the Roman law of capitis diminutio maxima when a Citizen is taken captive they, in legal fiction, are dead and the will of the testator is enacted. Jesus said the will of the Father is eternal life for those who believe His testimony. Jesus or Yeshua literally means Salvation so when Jesus was arrested as I AM the will of the Father was enacted, albeit in probate, and Jesus made the apostles executors of His true name. Its all legalese. Weve become executors administrating the will of the Father to our brethren i.e. were giving the Kingdom of God to all and any who believe our testimony which is the testimony of Yeshua or salvation. Its astounding to say the least how this all works, God is truly awesome, so satan is thinking "Yeah Im going to kill Salvation the world is mine" and all he did was signed his death warrant because the strength of sin was the law and now the law was nailed to the tree and were all under grace. Thank you Jesus! If I were left to human nature I wouldnt know anything about this, I would be busy trying to make a life here, thankfully at every turn "my plans" were frustrated and I really wanted to know why God seemed to be so unfair, cause it didnt make any sense, but knowing this now Im greatful my heart was broken as a man so that God would bring me to Him to be healed. Capitis diminutio maxima may be a part of Roman admiralty law (which Im starting to think is the beast of the sea as opposed to common law, again my thoughts not 100% on it yet, possibly the beast of the land) but its origins stem from Egypt with their magical concept of true name: having power over a spirit by knowing its true name. In Revelations it speaks of the dragon giving its power to the beast, Paul let us know the strength of sin is the law, the Bible identifies Egypt as the dragon (I have the scripture in my notes Ill post it after I post this) so thats what prompted me on this line of thinking. The true name legal fiction of Egypt has made its way through the annuls of the law and the mark of the beast must have something to do with it. This socialist insecurity pyramid scheme (hello again Egypt) is a continuation of the power organism of the beast. I dont think as of yet that the legal fiction i.e. strawman is the mark of the beast but when its enforced, wether barcode, microchip, whatever it will be they put on the hand or forehead, thats when the full force of this true name mumbo jumbo will be revealed for what it is. Theyre literally sex driving us insane with fear of losing social ID-entity. (the wordplay is on account of thinking conceptually Im sorry if its a bit confusing) The educational system is more like a fashion show, entertainment is exposing, to say the least, youth to sex and violence to desensitize them (both sex and violence are tied into the survival instinct of the natural man), politics offers false saviors en masse, religion is run like big business, any rational individual can see its all madness and it causes the love of many to wax cold. Ive lost all my "friends", my family members love me as who they knew not who I am now, they hate when I talk about God, they listen but ignore and use any excuse to change topics, so Ive been alone with these thoughts for awhile. Im sorry to condense so much into such a small space. This information is the accumulation of the last decade of my life in most of these thoughts so I know its a bit much to take in. Im going to wrap it up by saying by no means do I have a solid grasp on all of this and Im fallible so dont just take my word for it, I know I presented alot of info but if you see anything is out if order let me know. Im hoping we can help one another because I got a bad feeling about this LOST (Law of the sea treaty) cause and the next few decades seem as if things are going to start getting real oppressive for disciples of Christ. Thanks for reading and Jesus Christ bless you. Amen.

The term you are looking for is moot (double entendre intended). Undoubtedly the context of Isaiah 30:12 and Mark 12:29 is moot yet the fact remains the passages testify that God is one. There is no scriptural basis of a triune deity. A tree bears fruit and its seed is in its fruit. When the seed is planted it takes root and gives rise to the same tree. Its multiplication. Though the tree multiplies itself by giving fruit bearing its seed the seed produces a tree of its own kind. There may be innumerable fig trees but they are all one kind; a fig tree. Do you see what I mean? A simple mathematical equation 1•1=1 expresses my point. Ill further demonstrate for purpose of ironic repetition 1•1•1•1•1•1=1. Axiomatically expressed the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. 1 by 1 are the parts, 1 is the sum, yet the whole equation is 1 expression of mathematical proof. Can you deny such simple facts? Is there any guile in this information? Is it possible at all to deny that one by one is one?, or that a tree produces (notice product is also a term of multiplication) of its own kind? Im not denying multiplicty whatsoever as its obviously implied by multiplying one by one but I will not say that one is seperate from the other one because seperation is synonymous with divorce and divorce is sin or missing the mark i.e. the point. Thinking of God in fraction is an infraction. "Male and female made he man", "What God has put together let no man tear asunder", you say the trinity is expressed throughout the whole Bible but Ill tell you of a fact "testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy" notice spirit and not spirits, though throughout the pages of the Bible is the testimony of many prophets the spirit has always been the salvation of the anointed one. Show me the term trinity in the Bible in relation to God. Show me the term trinity in the Bible because I dont recall it being in the text. Isnt that an odd thing?, the doctrine of a trinity when the term isnt even in there yet you claim its throughout the whole Bible from Re'shiyth to Amen. lol Really? Galatians 3:28 says of us in the faith that, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for all are one in Christ Jesus." Wheres your trinity? I still see one. I wouldnt have written so copiously nor sardonically, if you hadnt responded with pretense like a dilettante, but I am none to appreciative of contention when my initial approach is peaceable and apologetic. I have a sword (the Word) and Im not afraid to wield it and cut off the head of your strawman: a fallacious arguement proposed to refute an opposing valid arguement without addressing the facts of said valid arguement. Your hermeneutics are couched upon eisegesis; plainly spoken, your reading into the text ideas that arent in the interpretation whatsoever. After this exhaustive body of information could you claim I speak falsity? I dont deny you brother! I deny the fiction of a trinity because that term seeks to divide our unity. If you think Im harsh there are men of greater intellect than I whom serve the evil one and will seek to divide you. One divided by one results in the dividend of one but divided ends do not justify the means. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." There is One True God and His name is Jesus Christ. If you see the Son you see the Father. Im sorry to rudely point out a shortcoming but it seems people only listen when the strawman is tossed in the fire, let it burn, see it cannot stand the test of times table. lol Get it? Times table, multiplication, math jokes. Let the strawman be a burnt offering because chaff is only good for the fire anyway. See, I mean you no harm. The venom in my sarcasm isnt poisonous. Im challenging you to do the mathematics of infinty. Its surprisingly easy. Ill leave on this note which mocks the science of this world, scientists have figured out that the UNIverse began with a singularity but they still dont see the One who created it. Its Holy Light what they perceive to be a blackhole.

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" Isaiah 30:12 "Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon:" Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:" John 10:30 "I and Father are one" What about a basis? Theres more then enough scripture to verify God is One not three. I am mind, body, and soul, but thats all one person. I am marrow, blood, sinew, flesh, but thats still one person.