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"and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was" - Great Tribulation "and at that time thy people shall be delivered"

I am pre-wrath, I have not 'taken sides' and find myself both disappointed and amused at the same time watching the arguments fly about. However, for the following, I would be interested in all povs and interpretations on these verses, respectfully of course, i ask. Dan 12:1-3 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever When I read this, it does not fall into my understandings of the First Resurrection, nor the Second Resurrection based on Rev 20. Perhaps I am missing a few things. Is this a whole separate Resurrection? Pre-trib - 'and the dead in Christ shall rise first' perhaps the 'shame and everlasting contempt' is as the outer heaven and gnashing of teeth because one didnt serve as one should/could have? Also, how could this be a secret rapture if people are shining like the stars and firmament? Post-trib - This reads to me that there is a resurrection of sorts at the beginning of the Great tribulation, prior to the last trumpet judgement, thoughts? I have a million other questions/arguments regarding this verse and both POV's, but lets just stick with this description of a Resurrection. Just trying to gain knowledge and understanding, not cause division, this is a learning opportunity. Yanno what, maybe we are just All right!

IMHO, I think the real issue of deception is with the act of Worship. What is worship? Do people today understand what Worship really means? Is it only bowing down, kneeling to pray, lifting hands, or singing songs in a church/cathedral/mosque/religious establishment? We've already seen a young child 'praying' to obama. Do the masses actually see this as 'worship'? It is open Idolatry, yet, I can see people poo pooing, excusing and minimizing it. False grace. I see believers and nonbelievers alike more excited and devoted to sports teams, a pop star, tv shows, politicians,,,, Tech Gadgets,,,a Cause,,, etc. What is worship and how and what are we being deceived into worshipping?

.........just..........WOW!

Thank you Prairwur for sharing this, I have become complacent, caught up in the everyday fruitless cares of the world and shallow prayers, Deemed 'not a threat'. I am reminded once again of the very real battle that is going on, and have personally experienced. Yes, it is much more real in other countries and not very well 'accepted' here in the US. The dumbification and desensitization push of the media has indeed put the US in a very risky position of great deception, great tactic by the enemy. But the Lord will prevail. He has His warriors whom He has called and will fight the battle. Thank you for the reminder, It is not a 'nice and comfy' spot, but those who are called know this, and must do what they are called to do. Again, thank you for the wake up call

Can you blame her for wanting to remain anonymous? Amazing how we are the first to stone our own.

I am a C I am a C-H I am a C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N and I have C-H-R-I-S-T in my H-E-A-R-T and I will L-I-V-E E-T-E-R-N-A-L-L-Y!!!

Kingdom, Christ fulfilled the first spring feasts exactly to the day, one can only assume that the rest of the Fall Feasts, He will also fulfill, Exactly. With the Red moon Tetrad coming on the feast days, being such a rare occasion, there is much speculation, without date setting of course, that the remaining Feasts could be fulfilled in this time period. Look into the Jewish Feasts (practice rehearsals) and how Christ fulfilled the first four(?). Here's one random website http://www.waitingforjesus.com/jewishfeastsprophecy.html

They told me that worms dont feel anything when your are hooking them for bait...................... I felt every little squirm. Its now only lures for me.

Once you have repented with a sincere heart, it is nailed to the cross. Leave it there. This is where the enemy can have a field day with you, the battlefield is in the mind. We are no greater than our King to hold on to unforgiveness of ourselves, ,,, He is just to forgive us... from the east to the west....pick up your sword.

How do I prepare for the Post-trib rapture?

Lets not paint a false picture with such a broad stroke. Not ALL homeless people are Criminals, drug addicts, or who Want to live like that. There are some homeless people who have genuinely fallen upon Hard times. Law Abiding, God-fearing, Christ Loving People who came across hard times. God does not promise an Easy go of it, tribulation will come,,,,Even to God-fearing Christians!

Yes, the Bible does record the first resurrection... in Matthew 27. It occured between Christ's death on the cross and before His burial. 51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!” Matt 27:51-54 ESV Isnt this the Firstfruits of the harvest?

How can/why would the 'rapture' occur (Come up Hither) at the second coming, if the two witnesses are Raptured beforehand (Come up Hither)? a. a multi-part rapture? b. the two witnesses are the only believers left at that point? And at what point are they come up hithered? Mid, to Great, yes? c. John specifically left out the names when God says 'Come up hither, X and Y' to keep us in suspense? d. 'Come up Hither' is not the Rapture nor the Resurrection. Just sayin

I am currently reading this. If you have not read any of Joel Rosenbergs books, I highly recommend them. I find myself reading todays headlines with each book. I started with the The Twelfth Imam, lots of teaching within the novel.

I have read and heard Pre-trib rapture teachers and followers proclaim while they are having a big wedding party after they have been raptured outa here, Israel is being punished during the 70th week, but as you can see from my earlier post (I hope), Israel's transgressions have already been atoned for ending the 70th week theory. Nikki this makes sense to me (for the first time), thanks for that. I've believed that the church was in this 'gap' grace period of the 70 weeks, but it never quite made sense to me, its...illogical, to me. However, I still believe that Dan 9:24 is yet to be fulfilled (in greater completion). But the fact that Israel will still be punished during the last week does not compute. If we, as (pre-trib/pre-wrath) believers, believe that we will be spared this wrath, why then would the last generation of Jews be left holding the ball to receive the wrath? I'm basically just thinking out loud here - thanks Nikki for putting that in terms that compute.

I can agree with that. 1. Ok so, you think the antichrist will appear in Mid trib. Why? I think the anti-Christ will be revealed at the mid point. Because that is when he commits the abomination of desolations. 2. So you think the antichrist will reveal himself AFTER all the bad stuff in the seals? After at least 5 of them. The reason is Matthew 24. In that chapter after the abomination of desolations an event occurs that I believe is the 6th seal. 3. Do you think the seals opening is Satans doing or just God's will coming to pass? The book of revelation is clear it is Jesus whom opens the seals. But Just because he opens the seals doesn't mean they are the wrath of God. For example, I was told that just the bowls was part of God's wrath and the seals were not God's wrath, just his will. 4. Do you think the six seals will be opened in the first half of Trib and the bowls in the second half of trib? I think the first 5 are for sure in the first half. In Matthew 24, right after Jesus talks about the persecution and martyr of the saints ( which is the 5th seal ) the mid point happens. If that is the way Jesus said it would happen, then that's what I believe. 5. Also, here's the big question. When do you think rapture will occur, pre-mid-post? and why. I believe the rapture will occur Pre-wrath. Joel 2:31 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. Matthew 24:29-31 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Revelation 6:12-16 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: These verses are a good start as to why I believe pre-wrath. The verse in Joel says this event happens before his wrath. In Matthew 24 it says after this event is when people on earth mourn and realize what is going on. It's also in Matthew 24 that after this event is the rapture. In revelation 6 it identifies this event as the 6th seal, and also backs up that it is after this event when people on earth mourn and realize God's wrath is about to fall. If you read into revelation 7 there is suddenly all these people in heaven. Blessings. I hope this answers your questions. God bless you amen!

I wrestled quite awhile with whether things were getting really bad, or if I am just more aware of them due to technology, or my age/interest. It was when I saw the conglomeration of dead sea animals, strange noises heard throughout the world, and a sinkhole actually swallow a man, this is when the HS 'woke me up' to the times that we are living in. We also see animals losing fear of man and attacking/killing people moreso nowdays than ever before, you can read of an attack at least once a week now. Or strange animal behaviour, pods of whales or dolphins beaching themselves. Frankenstorms, nuclear radiation in the sea, school/mass shootings, human trafficking, open/glamourized idolatry of illuminati, marriage equality, abortion, anti-semitism, cannibalism. Yes, truly we are living in strange times.

There are some very significant facts concerning Blood Red Moons, the Lord's Feast Days, and their relation to prophetic events that have happened in and to Israel, such as: Three sets of blood-red moons that corresponded to significant events: The Spanish Inquisition final year 1492 when the Alhambra Decree ordered all remaining Jews who would not convert to Christianity to leave Spain, the 1948 War of Independence and the 1967 Six-Day War had back-to-back, blood-red moons occur on the first day of Passover and Sukkot the following two years or beginning the same year of the 1967 Six-Day War for two years. The Spanish Inquisition-1492 * Passover, April 2, 1493 * Sukkoth, Sept. 25, 1493 * Passover, March 22, 1494 * Sukkoth, Sept. 15, 1494 The War of Independence-1948 * Passover, April 13, 1949 * Sukkoth, Oct. 7, 1949 * Passover, April 2, 1950 * Sukkoth, Sept. 26, 1950 The Six Day War-1967 * First Day of Passover, April 24, 1967 * First Day of Sukkoth, Oct. 18, 1967 * First Day of Passover. April 13, 1968 * First Day of Sukkoth, Oct. 6, 1968 What will occur in the 2013-2015 time period? Seven back-to-back, blood-red moons have fallen on the first day of Passover and Sukkot, with the eighth time coming in 2014 and 2015 * First Day of Passover, April 15, 2014 * First Day of Sukkoth, Oct. 8, 2014 * First Day of Passover, April 4, 2015 * First Day of Sukkoth, Sept. 28, 2015 Read more from World Watch Daily-Bill Koenig Therefore, I think it would be prudent to take heed and continue to watch and occupy until Jesus comes for us which may be at a time during a Blood Red Moon /Lord's Feast Day season after the tribulation of those days Matthew 24:29, Joel 2:31 Retrobyter, As you can see by the quoted post, this occurence of Solar and Lunar Eclipses happening on the Holy days, is in fact rare. Particularly where they are also within a lunar tetrad, which is also not an everyday occurence (or monthly/yearly in this case). Fascinating stuff!

Jerry, I have seen/watched TB Joshua many times (on youtube), in order to judge/discern/claim for myself whether he is a true or false prophet. I can understand how some people may attribute his actions as from the devil. The intensity of the manifestations and deliverances, and the awesome display of Christs power is uncommon these days, We are just not used to such displays of blatant physically manifested Spiritual warfare IMO. That being said, I have come to the conclusion that he, TB Joshua, truly is a man of God, and doing an amazing work for the Kingdom.

Here, here! I also am a fence sitter - vascilating between all three views!

Great pics https://twitter.com/janwandrag/status/396977284328222720/photo/1 https://twitter.com/Welsbee/status/396980190783352832/photo/1

'Rare' hybrid eclipse in the a.m. - a sign in the heavens? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/02/sunday-solar-eclipse-rare-hybrid_n_4202543.html

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I once went to a church that had an 'attendance sheet' passed around where you signed your name. However, like others, I never officially 'signed' anything to become a 'member'.