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So Ephrahim having half Egyptian stock blood makes me hate Jews?

If I say mixed race; are you also going to turn that into a racist slur?

Gentiles I'm referring to is ephrahim....he was a half breed

Great...60% reply of charactor assassination on SDA stuff that is completely irrelevant to the topic. And no where close to providing any actual proof I am NOT SDA; so why do you keep bringing this up? What bearing does this have to the topic? And you want to talk about tangents? Lol you can jump to conclusions. You want to talk about exegesis??? Lets turn to Gen. 5:22-25 “And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; for God took him he was not; What does that mean? Scripture interpreting scripture of phraseology Jer. 31:15, “….A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not Did God also rapture Rachel's children? Job 7:21, “…..for now shall I sleep in the dust; but Thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be Did God rapture Job? You'll quickly discover the phrase he was not is often used of death in the Old Testament. Now let's look at Heb. 11:5, “By faith Enoch was translated that he should ("should "does not exist in the original text ) not see death; and was not found because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God see = NT Greek eidon This word does not imply the mere act of looking, but the actual perception of something. Perception = awareness of something Enoch; was not =dead Enoch died in away that he did not perceive death; God took enoch in a way that Enoch was unaware of his death The actual rendering reads as follows By faith Enoch was taken (died); not perceiving his death. Should not and did not do NOT exist in the NT Greek You do realise you can die not perceiving death.....right? Yes? No? Do not try and school me on exegises when you are completely oblivious to the Greek text and what words actually exist in the Greek text and a little grasp of the Holy spirits phraseology. So what? How does that have any bearing on the damn point THESE ALL, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE" (verse 39). That includes Enoch. Enoch did NOT, has not, received the promise of eternal life. Why? Heb. 11:40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect

After you first show me where is Ephrahim? Zech 12:10 Zechariah 12:10New International Version (NIV) Mourning for the One They Pierced 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. The House of David is the House of Judah. Zechariah 14:1-21 . LAST STRUGGLE WITH THE HOSTILE WORLD POWERS: MESSIAH-JEHOVAH SAVES JERUSALEM AND DESTROYS THE FOE, OF WHOM THE REMNANT TURNS TO THE LORD REIGNING AT JERUSALEM Jerusalem is the capital of Judah it is located in the land and house of Judah

Let me repeat this for you again Gen 35:10&11 11God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you. 12 A Nation AND a company of goy will come from Israel. Not just a nation, a company of Nations comes from Israel.... A company of Gentiles What makes up Israel? A nation + A company of Nations = Israel

Which is passed on to the firstborn Ephrahim 10God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; You shall no longer be called Jacob, But Israel shall be your name." Thus He called him Israel. Gen 35:10&11 11God also said to him, "I am God Almighty; Be fruitful and multiply; A nation and a company of nations shall come from you, And kings shall come forth from you. 12 Israel is a nation and a company of gentiles (church) There is no distinction between Israel and church

There's a distinction between the House of Judah (Judaism) and Christianity but there is no distinction between church (Christianity) and Israel. The House of Ephrahim is Christianized. This is confirmed in the Prodigal Son of Ephrahims repentence before that of Judah and provoking Judah to jealousy. This is also confirmed in the story of the Samaritan woman at the well. A perfect example of the House of Israel/Ephrahim/Joseph accepting Christ; who had many husbands (gods). 10 ethnic tribes of Israel is Christian; the other 2 are Judaic.

Possibly the best post I've seen for Sabbath (quality time) keeping

Lol.....can someone please just provide actual facts

Interesting stuff.....You should do a comparison with Revelation on this thread

Hi Marilyn Been awhile.....You still puzzle me....You don't fit the pretrib type. Nonetheless One does not need to be dead to experience this you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the General Assembly and church of the first-born who are registered who are registered in heaven, to God the judge of all, TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, to Jesus... Remember Hebrews 4:16New King James Version (NKJV) 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

You rebuke me in the name Christ for asking you to provide actual evidence of any scripture stating Enoch was taken to heaven? You rebuking me for something neither you or your commentators you've just posted can't provide a single verse Enoch was taken to heaven? Then somehow I must still be rebuked with a lengthy bit of insults that you have truth even though what you have is conjecture? It wasn't Moses who you claimed was raised from the dead nor Enoch or Elijah who receiving the promise of eternal life. It is CHRIST!!!! 1 Cor 1: 15 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead Firstborn amongst the dead. All children of God in by-gone ages who "died in faith" includes enoch Hebrews 11:13King James Version (KJV) 13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. And a lot of them didn't and were pagan worshippers. Can you prpvide me evidemce then which ones he was buried with? To actually strain scriptures Altogether, Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people (Genesis 25: 7-8). Where do you get immortal soul from this verse?..... Gather3d to his people is someone who was BURIED with his people.No where does one get a hint of immortal soul in verse. You rebuke me on imaginations and conjectures. I'm immersed in my own false teachings? And what would that be the doctrine of the resurrection? I find it scandalous I even have to protect this doctrine in the first place....replacing resurrected themed verses with the doctrine of immortality. Let me tell you what is a lie. You will not certainly die," the serpent said to the woman Any doctrine that argues from silence like Enoch going to heaven or immortal soul is bound to be found false because you are perpetuating the same satanic lie you surely won't die....of cause not because we have immortal souls All I've gotten is opinions....SHOW ME anywhere in scripture the wicked receive eternal life? the is a gift ONLY reserved for the righteous. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. (Mt 25:46) Punish-ment not punish-ING ETERNAL LIFE FOR THE RIGHTOUS

Must I send you a GPS location of where he is buried? The scriptures do not state where he is buried. But we can safely eliminate one location being heaven. Yea it states he did not die when God took him....it does not state God took him to heaven ANYWHERE in that verse. Normally when someone asks for actual evidence stating Enoch went to heaven...the normal reply would be to provide such evidence....YOU however have not. That's God's prorogation, must God tell you where Moses was buried as well? You obviously missed this bit Paul, emphasize his point, again: "And THESE ALL, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE" (verse 39). That includes Enoch. Enoch did NOT, has not, received the promise of eternal life. Why? Heb. 11:40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect What on earth does this have to do with the subject matter? I'm amazed people pushing a Catholic doctrine....I wonder why that is?

NIV is a terrible rendering of that verse. This bit "this life, so that he did not " is not found anywhere in the original text. No where does it state in NT Greek that Enoch was taken from this life. Enoch was certainly taken so not to see death. However that could mean anything. Was he taken out of a hostile situation that was life threatening? Paul, emphasize his point, again: "And THESE ALL, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE PROMISE" (verse 39). That includes Enoch. Enoch did NOT, has not, received the promise of eternal life. Why? Heb. 11:40: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect All those heroes and heroines of faith - including Enoch should not come to PERFECTION before we join them

All it states is Enoch was taken; it does not state to heaven. The assumption must be proven the direction was heaven. Please provide the facts. I would very much like to see you harmonize the records of Enoch listed as those who died in faith. As well as Christ direct witness that no man has ascended to heaven….. I’m very keen to see this…... If you walked into a crime scene and saw the victims blood splashed all over the wall, the blood does cry out to you. As it bears the testimony of the crime. This is just simple straight forward logic. Further if God didn’t want us focused on the testimonial of the blood; then God could easily have referred directly to Abels immortal soul crying out from the netherworld but God didn’t did he? Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people. Were Abrahams ancestors such righteous people that they went to paradise when they died? Because we find in Joshua 24:2 that his ancestors were idolators So Abraham would have to be in hell now and not paradise to be "gathered" to his people Psalms 86:13 This verse doesn’t inform us about what really happens to the soul at death, or if anything happens to him or her. Just states from the depth of the grave…..how do you infer immortal souls from this? Is this verse written from the netherworld? If so I better tear this out of the Bible….As I will not take part in any form of necromancy. Welcome to the 7 bowls 10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done. Their smoke ascended for ever and ever, doesn’t state their torment was for ever and ever. Since when do evil doers have the gift of immortality? This gift is reserved only for the righteous. Well at least you're disproving one of the “proof positive texts” for immortal soul. It’s a start; albeit your interpretation is still faulty. But nonetheless; that is a different subject. But enough to agree then that the transfiguration was not the immortal souls of Moses and Elijah. This has already been dealt with refuted with Daniels scripture. No; 18For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body, but made alive in the spirit, 19in which He also went and preached to the spirits inprison 20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water Greek grammar dictates the "he" must revert back to it’s closest identifier the spirit, in which He also went and preached to the spirits inprison It is the Holy Spirit that went to go preach. The closest identifier. Now, notice in verse 20, the words “when” - when God waited patiently in the days of Noah.” This tells you the preaching was done in the days of Noah to those who were disobedient..... What did He say then? Because you’re going to go by the assumption of the translator of the comma right?

And how did He speak? Moses looked free to me at Christ's transfiguration then? Further by implication that the body returns to dust; the Spirit returns to God....no holding period for body or Spirit "No man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man" Can you please explain how Elijah from heaven wrote a letter to a king? Please find me scripture actually stating Enoch went to heaven Im still waiting for scripture two or three witnesses that hades is called paradise Please notice the Richman; it states the following In Hades he lifted up his eyes In otherwords; in the grave he opened his eyes, and then saw Lazarus. What happens at the resurrection? You open your eyes in the grave. See Daniel speaks of the resurrection of the just, and of the unjust: "And many of them that sleep.... (their eyes are closed while sleeping) .... in the dust of the earth (their graves; buried "hades" ), shall awake ( lift up their eyes ) some to everlasting life (Lazarus) and some to shame and everlasting contempt (Richman) (Daniel 12:2). You know the doctrine called replacement theology? You see immortal souls doctrine is no different; it seeks to replace the Resurrection doctrine For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.” I Peter 3:18-20. Want to try that again?

Hardly irrelevant when we're relying on a translator who made the assumption of where the comma goes. Hence you end up with two options. Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Or Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise. The meaning of the text changes complexity. This is hardly tangible evidence for immortal soul. What is irrelevant however; is bring up Joyce Meyer. Impossible since scripture makes it clear the Spirit returns to God by two witness. Eccl. 12:7: Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. And Job34 :14 If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath; all flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust The Bible teaches this spirit and breath , is given for awhile to man, God calls his own, and depriving man of it, God calls gathering it to himself By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; What purpose would Christ have going to hell to preach to damned souls under divine judgment? Their prohibition had passed, no gospel message can save them. The preaching that was given to them was through Noah, who, by the power of the Holy Spirit, delivered to them the message of warning. The preaching of Noah, was the preaching of Christ. As for Prison allow scripture to interpret scripture Isa. 61:1: The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he bath sent me to bind up the broken-hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. Their days were limited to a hundred and twenty years; and their only way of escape from impending destruction was through the preaching of Noah. Gen. 6:3. That is the prohibition. The grave is never called paradise.

It is true that I don't accept that but rather Christ is the image of the Father. However I can still argue the position from a trinity perspective and call it the mystery of the trinity; that God is omnipotent to have a member of the trinity silenced; unconscious; "sleep" and brought back to consciousness. The very definition of omnipotence does not exclude such power nor limited beyond such power. So yes it fits very much with scripture of ALmightyness Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Christ was quickened by the Spirit and between his death and quickening no action is affirmed of him. None. Since the will is directly from the father. There is no evidence you can bring forth showing Christ in "paradise", just a mere assumption. Further you still need to deal with the fact of the Greek text not using commas in the famous line of Luke 23:43 And nothing in the records given shows that man has an immortal soul when they die. We are made in the image of God but we carry none of his attributes; why single immortality and not the rest of God's attributes like omnipresent or omnipotent? For me it's about tangibility. There hasn't been a single verse brought forth that has shown tangible evidence of immortal souls. Either the words like "bring" have been added in; the issues of a comma which the Greek text never uses. Replacing resurrection with immortal soul doctrine with Paul teachings. I appreciate the conversation and the manner in which youve done it.....but there is no tangibility and that is frustration.

Christ does the will of the father John 6:38King James Version (KJV) 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. The fathers will was for Christ to die; to be silenced; unconscious, "sleep" 1 Peter 3:18New International Version (NIV) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. The Greek word is zoopoieo, to impart life to make alive. He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit. The text clearly states giving life, NOT continuing alive. The verb is a regular, active verb, in the passive voice; which means an action received. Christ received life from God; Christ did not continue alive, but was made alive by the Spirit. Rev. 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead. To state Christ was immortal and continued living after death between his crucifixion and resurrected is a complete rejection of the whole plan of salvation, by declaring that Christ never was dead and never received the Spirit by which to bring Christ back to life; denying the will of the Father.

No Christ went to the grave dead "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption." (Acts 2:31, NKJV) God the father alone has immortal. If we choose to believe Christ never truly died.....then we truly have no hope. Is God not omnipotent? Can Christ not truly be dead/ unconscious, "soul sleep" for God to raise him up? Return to the theif And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into Thy kingdom Christ only comes into Thy KingDom when He comes in the second advent; to claim his kingdom

But you should be aware Christ never went to "paradise" that day. Also the original Greek has no punctuation. Again I could just as easily remove the comma and place it here at the following. Luke 23:43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you today(,) you will be with me in paradise.

No God sent a vision to Jesus and the disciples.....God is not going to violate His own law to summon the dead. You're contradicting the nature of God.

That is half a picture; the following texts reveal that eternal life is something to be obtained in the future TITUS 1:2 a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time, TITUS 3:7 so that, having been justified by His grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. These verses adequately explain that Christians have eternal life however it is in the sense that we have the hope of eternal life. And that realisation is only given at the resurrection Romans 2:6-7 who "will render to each one according to his deeds": eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality Rewards; immortality is part of that rewards; which Christ comes with. JUDE 21 Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life