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No, there is a small Bible Belts in Northern CA. and Southern Oregon. Lots of BIBLE CHURCHES there. I used to go to Ft. Dick Bible Church, when I was in the Prison Ministry out there.

I prefer to think of it as the other end of the same Bible Belt.

It is Brother, the Lord put in on my hard to move west in the 80's, and I knew not why. It turned out He wanted me to start, a prison ministry in a new super-max prison that was just being build out there on the coast. Now you have to understand, I did not know the first thing about starting a Prison Ministry, but I figured HE KNEW EVERYTHING ABOUT IT, so I trusted HIM to give me guidance through it all. The VCO, stands for Volunteer Chaplain Orville. I left the Prison Ministry with 8 Volunteers, most I had trained personally, to take my place. I am retired now, but what an experience. After my wife passed away, I moved back to Nebraska, where I have some family, and it is WAY CHEAPER to live here, than in California. I miss the Ocean though. I turned 70 in February, oh my, now I fell like I am older than dirt. I got aches and pains, where I did not know they were possible. If I bend to pick up something on the ground, it takes me at least 4 times longer to get back up. Now you know what you have to look forward to.

Good point, I should not have phased it that way, but here is some Food for Thought. The Holy Spirit had NO PROBLEM SAVING PEOPLE on earth without indwelling them, and being heaven, too, in the Old Testament times. So WHY do you think he cannot do it During the Tribulation. HE ENTERED OUR HEARTS, to become a COMFORTER. EVERYTHING ELSE, HE CAN DO WHILE BEING outside our body, and IN HEAVEN, too. Because HE is OMNIPRESENT, he is in both places at the SAME TIME technically, but the Promise He will be in YOU and will NEVER LEAVE YOU, seems to be only for the New Testament ASSEMBLY. Why did I phrase that ASSEMBLY? Technically CHURCH IS NOT IN THE BIBLE at all. When JESUS SAID: Matthew 16:18 (YLT) 18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly, and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it; Look up the word ekklēsia and You will find the it means ASSEMBLY. CHURCH is man's word for it, not what JESUS SAID or the Apostles said. John 14:16 (KJV) 16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; SO WHAT DOES GOD MEAN BY FOREVER? ? ? I would say, for Eternity. AND HE WILL BE AT THE WEDDING IN HEAVEN. Another point, now that I mentioned Mat. 16:18: So the people HE was talking to in this verse were the last of the Old Testament ASSEMBLY: John 10:16 (ASV) 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. So THIS FOLD, is the last of the Old Testament ASSEMBLY, because the New Testament ASSEMBLY, did not begin until the Day of Pentecost after the Ascension. The OTHER SHEEP is us. And we will become ONE FLOCK AT THE RAPTURE.

Thanks for your input, I some of it I did not know before. THANKS. My Favorite Translation is Holman's Christian Standard Bible (HCSB), published in 2004. The reason is their Translation Team did not mess with a lot of the word Yahweh, the way the other Translations did. Here is an example: Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB) 10 “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me. 11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me. I use that Scripture a LOT to prove the DEITY of CHRIST, and back it up using: Luke 2:11-12 (HCSB) 11 Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David. 12 This will be the sign for you: You will find a baby wrapped snugly in cloth and lying in a feeding trough.” The HCSB is FREE, and some older versions like KJV, ASV, etc., with the FREE WORDsearch Starter edition with their Software. They have over 200 free books too. Not Greedy at all, I would say, and have very good sales. (https://www.wordsearchbible.com/apps/wordsearch-starter)

You do know that the KJV was not an actual Translation? It was a Paraphrase, where they compared at least 5 older English Translations, and updated the Language to where King James was comfortable with it. They said so in the Original 1611 Preface, that they DID NOT INTEND TO MAKE A NEW TRANSLATION, but to revise older translations. Here are two sites that point out that fact that the original Translation TEAM, did not intend to make a New Translation, (in the Green type below) but to revise older versions (top line) to update the languages and correct some know errors. That is a Paraphrase, and NOT A TRANSLATION. You have put the KJV way to high on the pedestal. The PREFACE was Re-written, and a lot of KJV ONLY people, do not even know the ORIGINAL 1611 PREFACE, even Exists. (https://library.osu.edu/innovation-projects/omeka/exhibits/show/the-king-james-bible/sidebars/the-translators-preface-to-the) (http://www.ccel.org/bible/kjv/preface/pref1.htm) ORIGINAL 1611 KJV PREFACE The Translators To The Reader Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . . . . . But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . . . . . Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . . . . . (and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . . . . . There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . . . . . And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . . . . . Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . . . . . to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . . . . . Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest {poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . . . . . Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Translations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us. { The very same thing you do to MODERN Translations. } For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . . . . . But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

Yes, that one baffled me, too. I have been a Born Again Christians since the last week of 1977. It is the strangest interpretation that I have EVER SEEN.

The point that I have been trying to make is Archeologists, (one of them is an Israeli), have found evidence proving the so-called Temple Mount, where the Dome of the Rock sits; NEVER WAS THE LOCATION OF SOLOMON'S TEMPLE, {in my opinion}. Those Archeologists are patiently waiting for a combined Audience with the Israeli Govenment and the Temple Institute, to PRESENT their Evidence that the Dome of the ROCK does not sit on the Temple Mount but rather that location is only the CENTER OF FORT ANTONIA. AND they have evidence that the Real TEMPLE MOUNT WAS 600 Feet South of the Whaling Wall. What I am gaining as an understanding from the above videos, is apparently the Archeologists claim to even have evidence that the Temple Mount bedrock was removed by Simon bar Kokhba, the Jewish Leader at that time. That location is definitely LOWER than it was at the time of CHRIST, because after the Destruction in 70 AD, in the later part of 132 AD, Simon, ordered the original Temple Mount turned into a ROCK QUARRY to remove the DEFILED Bedrock of the Temple Mount. The reason Simon considered the Temple Mount defiled, was because the Roman Emperor Hadrian had built a new City (Aelia Capitolina) over the ruins of Jerusalem, and even built a Temple to Jupitor on the original site of Solomon's Temple. Aelia Capitolina remained the name of Jerusalem, until 638 AD. That is what really TRIGGERED THE WAR known as the The Bar Kokhba revolt in 132 CE. Yeah, I had a dickens of a time finding out what CE was, and it was simple. It stands for Christian Era, in other words the same thing as AD. Apparently during that two year Period of Simon bar Kokhba RULING OVER JUDEA, he ordered that the Temple Mount be turned into a Rock Quarry to remove the bedrock defiled by the Temple of Jupiter, effectively removing Mount Zion, to where there is a debate going on in Isreal where it was for sure. They hauled the rock and dumped it in the gorges South of Jerusalem to make a fairly level road bed, giving them an easy access to Jerusalem from the South. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Kokhba_revolt) Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB) 18 “Micah the Moreshite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah and said to all the people of Judah, ‘This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’ Micah 3:12 (HCSB) 12 Therefore, because of you, Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the hill of the temple mount will be a thicket. 2 Samuel 5:7 (HCSB) 7 Yet David did capture the stronghold of Zion, that is, the city of David. Psalm 20:2 (NCV) 2 May he send you help from his Temple and support you from Mount Zion. Jeremiah 50:28-29 (NJB) 28 Listen! Fugitives and runaways from the country of Babylon arrive in Zion and proclaim the revenge of Yahweh our God, revenge for his Temple! 29 Call up the archers against Babylon! All you who bend the bow, invest her on all sides, leave her no way of escape. Repay her as her deeds deserve; treat her as she has treated others, for she was arrogant to Yahweh, to the Holy One of Israel. ISN'T IT CLEAR, THE TEMPLE IS IN THE WALLED STRONGHOLD OF ZION, THE CITY OF DAVID, according to Biblical Evidence? Lamentations 2:6 (HCSB) 6 He has done violence to His temple as if ⌊it were⌋ a garden ⌊booth⌋, destroying His place of meeting. The LORD has abolished appointed festivals and Sabbaths in Zion. He has despised king and priest in His fierce anger.

That is talk about the Dictator that Satan possess or controls, during the final 7 years before Christ comes back. Satan has always wanted to RULE THE WORLD through a Dictator, and He has trying SEVERAL TIMES, but the Holy Spirit has not let him fully do it. The Holy Spirit is the ONE that Holds him back. He has tried through several Dictators in the Past, like NERO, NAPOLEON, ADOLF HITLER, ETC. BUT the HOLY SPIRIT is always there, NOT LETTING Satan go too far. BUT THEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY, and if HE IS GOING BACK TO HEAVEN, to let Satan Posses that Dictator in the end times, WE HAVE TO GO WITH HIM. John 14:16-17 (GWT) 16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper who will be with you forever. 17 That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you. That is just one of the reasons why we Evangelicals, absolutely believe in the PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE.

In the pictures on the below website, You will see what Harod's Temple should look like. So if they settle the debate on the LOCATION of the TEMPLE, it would be like the BIBLE is Clearer than the average JEWISH OPINION. We ALSO have an eye witness, Josephus, other Historians, would put the true location all along, in the CITY OF DAVID. When you consider the BIBLE, and Josephus, and many other sources such as Archaeologists, all say it is in the City of David. (Obviously the City of David is my opinion.) I think the biggest factor is the POLITICS of ADMITTING the TEMPLE MOUNT was the wrong SITE, and therefore the JEWS have not been Praying at the Western Wall of Temple, but the Western Wall of Fort Antonia. That will be an awful bitter Pill for the Jews to Swallow. It seems in the top picture, to be almost Correct, EXCEPT the size of the Court of the Gentiles, and the Eastern Gate. If I remember right it was Josephus that said, when he stood in the doorway of the Eastern Gate, if the other doors were open, he could see the curtain of the Holy of Holies. That tallest TOWER in southeastern corner of Fort Antonia is CORRECT, because Josephus had the measurements of each Tower, and he said the Southeastern Tower was build much taller so the Roman Guards could see down into the Courtyards of the Temple, watching for signs of a rebellion about to take place. He even recorded a large uprising that took place and the Roman Soldiers defeated them on double Colonnades Bridges. In an Roman Legion, you had 6000 Soldiers and about 4000 support personnel. So the artist that first drew the third Picture, for the Model in Jerusalem, NEVER bothered to look up how many people did it take to make up a Roman Legion. So if you use Fort Antonia in the top picture, and the Temple from the third picture down in the article, of the Model of Herod's Temple in Jerusalem, it would be WAY MORE ACCURATE. (https://truthinscripture.net/2017/11/03/where-was-herods-temple-temple-graphic/)

Do you not understand that the Holy Spirit will give us understanding ? ? ? 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 (NIV) 6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"-- 10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

According to my understanding, we are between Chapter 3 and 4, NONE of the Prophecies after that Have happen YET, but they will. Gog is near Moscow, and Megog is west, north and east of Caspian Sea.

The book of Revelation was my Spiritual Milk, in 1978 . That is the first book of that I studied from the radio ministry - Grace To You - ministry of Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. That was a 30 minute radio show, that featured Dr. John MacArthur's sermons, verse by verse a Study of the Book of Revelation. He is Senior Pastor of mega Church called Grace Community Church near L.A. AND he is President of the L.A.'s The MASTER'S COLLEGE AND SEMINARY. I listened to that entire series on the radio program, Grace To You, then bought the cassette tapes, and RELISTENED to it OVER 3 more Times. Before I gave it away. If you would like to Listen to it, Dr. MacArthur put it online for People to Listen to FREE. (https://www.gty.org/library/resources/sermons-library/scripture/1?book=66&chapter=0) I am not sure if this is the way they want it, but copy the everything but brackets, and paste it on your Address Line. There are 37 hours of Sermons in the series, and the Tape: A Jet Tour Through Revelation , it is the first one in the series and it is a brief out line of the entire series. Dr. John MacArthur, Jr. is the most famous conservative evangelical Pastor that there is in the USA, and they are Classified Non-Denominational. I to am a conservative evangelical Christian.

Sorry, but I told you the TRUTH. WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU LEARN THAT WILD THEORY. Angels that fell, JOINED SATAN'S REBELLION, and ARE NOT THE ANTICHRIST, SATAN IS THE ANTI, and he possess a DICTATOR, most likely the LEADER of the E.U. Revelation 12:9 (NASB) 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. This next quote is Out of the Apocrypha, so it is not considered the WORD of GOD, but it is valuable as a historical book: Bel and the Dragon 1:23 (NJB) 23 There was a great dragon which the Babylonians worshipped too. Most likely this is GOD of the Underworld that the Babylonians worshiped. Now below is where I get that the Antichrist will be a REAL World Dictator, that is possessed or CONTROLLED by Satan Himself. In my opinion, the final Form of E.U. will have that DICTATOR that is controlled by SATAN, for the Final 7 Years before CHRIST COMES BACK, to set up HIS KINGDOM. Also KNOWN as the 70th week of Daniel. I goofed and do not know how to undo it. Therefore, there are actually two quotes from Dr. MacArthur, so click on the bottom arrow too.

Oh my, you certainly have a wild imagination. It is much simpler than that. Do you remember the Statue in King Nebuchadnezzar Dream, that Daniel Explained. That represent the entire History of the WORLD'S EMPIRES. There are FOUR EMPIRES, and the Ten Toes are a revival of Fourth Empire the Romans. That clay mixed with the Iron, means several member of the Revival of the Roman Empire, a 10 Nation Confederacy, will make it weaker than the original Roman Empire. The E.U. fits that Description, and SEVERAL COUNTRIES will pull a BREXIT when they see a DICTATOR about to take over the E.U. The Antichrist will be a Dictator, possessed by Satan Himself; that is INVITED TO RULE, (the Conqueror on a with white horse with bow, but no arrows, Rev. 6:2). He rules peacefully for 3.5 years, and they he becomes the most blood thirsty dictator that ever lived. Daniel 9:27 (NIV) 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him". Could that Be a Guillotine on top of that WING ? ? ? So that all the world will see those beheaded that refused to bow to him as God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (HCSB) 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For ⌊that day⌋ will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. 4 He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God. Revelation 20:4 (HCSB) 4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years. You want to see what Happens to that Dictator, read the entire Zechariah 14, and Rev. 19:11-21.