By Faith

Jesus said you know them by their fruit. I went and checked out Siris, and all the joining ministers. They don't preach sin, they preach the blood of Jesus, they call Jesus Lord, they don't preach homosexuality acceptance. The work they do is solid, have helped a whole lot of folks. They work in some of the most dangerous places. I am not sure how you need protected sitting at home behind a computer acting as judge. You read someone else article, and judged another. Yet many are eating, many have water, many have schools. You have done what? A satanic spirit does not the Work of God, and could care less if people eat or not. A person is known because they love the Brother and Hedi puts her life on the line for these people. Then you cry I am using Hate and slander? I am trying to get you to wake up so you don't have to be judged unfairly the same. I had two Mormon girls come to my door, heard the neighbor being disrespectful to them. I don't have to agree with someone's theology to see some effort and willingness to step out for what they believe is Jesus, and be mistreated. And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. (Luk 9:49-50) You don't even know Heidi Baker, Not in charge of her, have no say in what she does. What scripture is there that we publicly judge someone else servant? There is none. Despite your lack of understanding of scripture, and the fact I fully believe your confused about many things, I don't call you a false teacher, and even agree with you at times. You ought to follow the examples the Lord gives you and keep yourself from the same judgement you make about others. How would you like the Lord to say I require out of you the same knowledge I have, or I am judging you for errant theology? Can you step up to God's standard? If God has given any Help to Heidi Baker to help the people, you judged God, and that is a very dangerous place to be.

Well, your awareness of people that speak in tongues is hovering about zero. Unlike a lot of us, Heidi works globally with Iris that feeds 1,000's of kids, builds schools, goes to places where they kill Christians, the list is long. So easy to sit back at a computer, be a judge of those doing something for the Lord. The results and numbers speak for themselves though. I don't mind questions, I hate ignorance and judges who have not done a 1/10th of what Heidi is doing, putting her life constantly on the line, for people that have nothing. She might even seem a bit strange to me, but then I don't know what it takes to do what she has done, and what she has had to believe God for every single day. I imagine, that could make someone a bit different than what we are use to. amazing.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Rom_14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. 1Co_4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Kenneth Copeland for example: OK, so despite the 4 million News letters that go out each month of folks that Like Kenneth, the 2.4 million viewers each day that watch BVOV and that is just a few numbers. Shiloh Knows more than all these confused people who like Kenneth Copeland and Justifies himself to get around violating scriptures. Shiloh is just so much smarter than the rest of us, that God just over looks all the putting down of ministers who have helped millions. I am just thankful I am not in your shoes, you must reap, what you sow. Thank you for the answer.

And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. (1Jn 5:14-15) You judge for there being no "If it is Your Will Father" yet when praying we are told to know God's will "BEFORE" the prayer. You have no scripture to back up your statement at all. Jesus in the Garden, knew the will of God, He did not go asking something He did not already know the answer. He just asked if there be another way, He will take that, never the less, Thy will be done he said. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mar 16:16-18) You lay hands on the sick Dawn? you believe in Jesus? What is His will once you lay hands on the sick? Is it confusing here? Has being Baptized passed away? Believing on Jesus passed away? His command to lay hands on the sick and believe they will get better and better pass away? Amazing. Unbelief, God might,God might not, we don't even know God, despite having 1,000's of scriptures. What is Jesus going to think when He returns? Half the Church in shambles, not taking position as His body so the Head can do nothing through them. Lord, be thy will to heal me................ He said lay hands on them!!!! We don't do what He said do, and expect what He said to expect, no wonder.......No effort. Lord help them. Help them see it.

Are you not the king of this though? A whole lot of threads you continually put down other ministers based on your limited revelation. Or, is their some form of reasonable excuse to judge some another persons servant who is able to make the stand?

Will you Stop keeping in your mind all those WOF teachers. This prejudice Hinders talking with you. It started with me saying God is limited by unbelief. You stated God is not limited by unbelief. There is a big disconnect here with post after post before being able to get a connection with you. Nobody said God if He wanted could stick his head through the clouds and say "Everyone bow" and every knee on the planet would hit the ground. No question in my mind, and that would be despite those that did not believe in him. Then you say because of unbelief, God did not give them the things God had planned for them. Certainly God said I am giving you the promise land, then in Numbers 14 God said I am breaching my promise to you. Why? Those people did not trust God in anything, despite God showing himself strong. Had God just taken them to the promise land anyway, it would not have been long they would have lost it all again. So, if God set the system by where Unbelief in Him, makes him say that man will receive nothing of me, then for the person who did not trust God or believe what He had said has limited God by their actions toward God. So, by your last statement (Finally) I agree. You get this idea that by some will of our own we make God do this or that. We limit God through our own ability. That is what appears you think some believe. Faith, does what God says do, not what we want to do. It's only though obedience of faith in What God wanted and said do we see miracles. Not of ourselves, or some force of faith we have. Faith does it God's way, though it may not look like it will work. That is faith, and to think you can march around a city and have it just fall would take that faith. Blessing Shiloh.

58And He did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief. Perhaps it is not that He is limited - perhaps it is just His policy or choice! There are divine set spiritual laws God set in place, and won't break despite wanting to help us. Jesus was stopped because of their unbelief, but most important their total lack of respect for him while he was there put them in a position to not receive from him what He had to offer. Let's face it, if you think I am dumb, and can't do things right, the despite me knowing how to paint, may stop you from asking me to be the one to pain your house, even for free. So you would not receive what I was offering you, even for free based on what you thought of me. They Saw Jesus no better than they where........ "Is this not Joseph boy who we grew up with? Who is he coming in here with all this revelation?" Satan, the other factor: For some odd reason, by what the Lord and Satan worked out long ago, the devil has rights. Even the devils accused Jesus and rebuked him in the name of God for coming to torment them the before it was time. They felt Jesus has no legal ground to operate on earth in the Power of the Son of God. Jesus has a flesh body though, and was born of a women which gave him the right. unbelief, sides with the devil who tells you that your not going to make it. Unbelief sides with God not supplying all your needs, and fear things are not going to turn out well. We can't pick and side with one Kingdom, and expect the other Kingdom to just over run who we take sides with. The Kingdom we take sides with, is the one that will rule over us. So, it's not that God could not just squash the devil and do what God really wants to do. However, If God did that, He would have to violate his own Word, and eternal spiritual laws He set fourth. Those Laws work for people, or they work against, everything is being upheld by the Word of his power, and God is not changing what is already been declared. Some think Sovereign means God is an outlaw, and does what He wants, when He wants. Sovereign to God is that He had it all planed out perfectly the first time, spoke, and the right thing stood fast and correct though eternity. I already told you that you would say the scripture does not mean that. Tavah -scraping the pieces together through confusion and grief was translated limited in the YLT (Youngs litteral) the KJV the Web Bible NLT translates it into frustrated. You can' work with someone who constantly frustrates you. NIV says vexed, something they did. The whole descriptor of the Word and the way it was translated is in line with Hebrews. They did not enter in because of unbelief, and unbelief limits what God can do for someone not in agreement with him. Why???? Let your Sovereign God Doctrine shut your understanding. Sovereign is not even in scriptures, You cling to something not even mentioned, and allow it to shut off understanding.

Heb_4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Psa 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. Here is your scripture Shiloh, why do I even have to post it? You can't connect dot 1 to dot 2, on and on about what Shiloh believes despite the scriptures I give. They limited God because of unbelief!!!!! Now go tell me the scripture does not really say that. Go ahead. Believe what you want, I have wasted enough of my time. I have been trying to get you to see something, and the eyes stay closed. Mike

Heb_3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Heb_4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Heb_4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. Naaman had faith, He said just pray and he would be healed. His issue was not wanting to wash in the river He was told to wash in. The Disciples faith had nothing to do with the Storm, it was Jesus who spoke to the Storm and His faith. God worked Miracles on the behalf of Moses who God was working with, God also listened to Moses the times God wanted to be done with Israel. Mat 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. Mat 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? Mal_3:13 Your words have been stout against me, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, What have we spoken so much against thee? Amo_3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? ------------------------------------------------ So all these scriptures must be wrong, Shiloh knows best, Unbelief does not limit God. Unbelief and doubt did not cause Peter to sink and Unbelief was not the reason Israel did not enter into the promise land. We can speak what we want, believe what we want and it don't mean a thing. God does what God wants to do. Got it, I guess those scriptures and many more had me a bit confused, thank you for clearing that up Shiloh. Jesus saying all things are possible to them that believe and James warning that someone that waivers will not receive anything from the Lord must have just been fairy tales added to the Word by some fiction writer. Makes sense to me, glad that is sorted.

There is no such thing as Christian thought on supporting gay marriage. Light does not mix with darkness and the Kingdoms are not divided. Let them who name the Lord Jesus depart from iniquity. 2Ti_2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. There would be nobody the Lord knows as his who supports gay marriage, so it's like asking if we can bridge the gaps between Christianity and Witchcraft. Neither would we want unity with those that practice witchcraft.

Certainly nobody has any claims who do their own things, and not out using their faith as the women in the video. I am not used in healing miracles sitting at home and going to church every Sunday. If you have stepped out and laid hands on one in Jesus name and they were healed of something, then stories like this are not hard at all to believe. Mike.

I am assuming they were both married at the time when the cheating happened. A man must write a bill of divorcement and hand it to the wife. If He lays with another women while married to someone, then He has committed adultery against his wife whom He is still married to. So, your friend has committed adultery as the wife had no bill of divorcement. Jesus talked about "putting away" and taking someone else. This was an act to keep control over a women, and take another women. God said if the man find anything unclean in her, He must write her a bill of divorcement before taking another wife. Without that bill, she was not considered free and property of someone else. She could even be stoned for it without the proof of the divorce. Would he be able to remarry? You want scriptural answers I suspect, not opinions. What did Jesus says? Follow along with me.................... Jesus makes a statement that many believe once your divorced, you can't Marry again. That is not what Jesus said. And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him. And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? (Mar 10:2-3) Jesus is asked if it is Lawful to put away your wife. Put away was a practice of not giving your wife a bill of divorcement but keeping her bound. Jesus answered them and asked, What did Moses tell you? Moses said this. When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife You just can't put her away, you must give her a bill of divorcement then send her away with proof of the divorce. Once she is divorced, she can marry or He can marry again. And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. (Mar 10:4-9) They just asked Jesus about just putting her away, and Jesus helped their memory about what Moses did say. And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mar 10:11-12) So, you just can't put away the wife, you have to give her a bill of divorcement then put her away as Moses said. If she is just put away but marries another, she is still married to the first and that is committing adultery. Once divorced, you can marry again. Keep in mind though, Jesus said this was given for the hardness of someones heart. You can divorce, and Marry but it's not God's way to break a covenant. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Mat 19:10-12) So, staying married as what God joined together, men should not separate, not all can bare that or receive that. Some marriages are so bad, both people can't figure out where to start to get things fixed and don't want to fix them. Jesus gave an example of a Eunuch or someone that won't marry or castrated person. Short answer, He can get married again. Whatever sin happened, and be forgiven anyway.

I am assuming they were both married at the time when the cheating happened. A man must write a bill of divorcement and hand it to the wife. If He lays with another women while married to someone, then He has committed adultery against his wife whom He is still married to. So, your friend has committed adultery as the wife had no bill of divorcement. Jesus talked about "putting away" and taking someone else. This was an act to keep control over a women, and take another women. God said if the man find anything unclean in her, He must write her a bill of divorcement before taking another wife. Without that bill, she was not considered free and property of someone else. She could even be stoned for it without the proof of the divorce. Let me help you. When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife. And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife; Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. (Deu 24:1-4)

I have seen cancer healed, aids healed, the girl I laid hands on had her stomach put back together as someone had sown it together (I did see those medical reports) My friend raised his friend back to life, verified by many there who had been dead all night long, pronounced dead by the paramedics and put in a bag. Now why don't we see limbs grow back? I have never laid hands on anyone to get their limbs back, so I have no experience in that. One thing I do know is that people used to do these things for the Lord sacrifice their time and life to spend it in the Word and with the Lord. It's really a all day thing, every day. They shut out TV, the World, and focus on the Lord and the Word. Even the Apostles said we should not be waiting tables, but give ourselves time in prayer and with the Lord. So, I fully believe if we will sell out completely to the Lord, remove all the unbelief of I have never seen it before, then all things become possible. If God can heal cancer, make a man out of dust, then fixing a missing limb is not hard for him at all. It's hard for us to stop walking after what we see, and start believing in a God that is not limited by anything but unbelief. Even Israel did not enter in because of unbelief, ought to be an example to us, but to many it's not. Until people go from God can, to God will. The people won't experience much God can do. Even David had enough sense to say 1,000 at my side shall fall, 10,000 at my right hand, But..it shall not come neigh me. David had no question if He was coming back from battle, and it did not matter how out numbered they where. Today we question, will God? Is it God's will to help? Will it be in some mysterious way we won't understand until we get to Heaven?

How would you handle it then if you were leader/Pastor of a church where people were claiming to be healed? One minister promised to publish all the medical reports, but he never got around to doing that. Medical reports are private, and can be forged to look like real doctor reports. I am not sure how you would go about it without someone claiming fraud no matter what route you have taken. Looking at youtube, there seem to be some verified miracles. One cured of Autism by just listening to Gloria Copeland tapes for 2 years, pretty amazing how standing on the Word effects things. Would these not be enough? So, how would you handle it if it were your church?