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. Brother, Emeke, I am very much interested in the things you try to bring to light. All believer must have the fear of distorted spirits trying to get a hold on them, but as you said that fear should not keep us from seeking the audible voice of the holy spirit or Jesus or for that fact the voice of an Angel. And the gifts, the spiritual guidance Jesus puts within us. Saying guidance it would mean, it will communicate from withing with us, If that's where the gift is. the question is how it will make it known to us , to know that the thoughts we receive are from the spiritual gift. And that the external thoughts we receive are from a source from God or not. And don't forget the voice of our own consience and the thoughts of our own mind, and all those instructions we have receive audible or by reading written material. And you may not excpect anyone with there own power to discern all those specific situations correctly, and it is not by desire and faith alone. That too , but we must leave it with Jesus to decide those things which are for believers but not anyone. As the spirit wills, chouses the beleiver, the season and the times. And the training? By sharing experiences of distorted understanding we can help others. I will share one with you. When I read about not to eat meat with blood in it, a great fear fell upon me and my conciense was deeply trouble, for quite some time. (precondition: I prefer to eat steaks half cook, the same with burgers), imediatly I repented ask Jesus to forgive me, wash me and cleance me with his blood. And I began to eat meat well done. Of course at same time I will advocate for well cook meat. But I never told anyone the reason. one day some brother refered to the same scriptures without solicitation from anyone. I went back to read this passage again and looked in the contex very carefuly. Later on another day, I just began to ponder and I began to see that Paul was referring to the Idolatric ritual to eat meat from struggle animals. Imidiadlly I felt the relief from some bondage. I went to the market and bought the biggest steak and cook it Medium Rare and I praise the name of Jesus. You see I had Mistaken the instructions of Paul to the Gentile believers as to not eat meat from strugle animals as COOKING instructions. Please share something with us.

The Bible is generally a closed book to those who have not been born again. The "natural man" does not receive the things of the Spirit. Those who turn to the Lord in faith as their Lord and Savior receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit who teaches us the meaning of Bible Truth.. I am not sure about that, that the bible is for believers only, I know that many Moslems the least have believed after reading the bible. They read the bible as unbelievers. The same thing in the question above, People with the vail, some how they are informed of the Gospel of Jesus and as the holy spirit is working with them ( in their ignorance of course) and not only the holy spirit, but other spirits try to persuade them not to believe, and the holy spirit to believe. When they accept the guidance of the holy spirit and believe the vail is gone. The blind see. We can see, that is not only important to inform about the Gospel, but what tehnic we sould use in every peculiar situation. To some one who believed in God the need for Christ, to Asians different tehnics got their differents believes, to Greek orthodox, the knowledge that they have peace with God through Jesus Christ, to remove the fear of death, and so on.......your input?

There is another question included in the OP question, which needs to be resolved. Similar, but not identical. What happen to the people who died before the attonment of Jesus? Not just the children of Abraham, but for the rest of the world. From the first Adam till his resuraction and him been made the judge of all. To say Jesus given the Trone and the authority to judge all, would raise the question whow people were judge before? If they were judge. And where they were gone or were they can be found? Both the children of Abraham and the rest of the world, that will also include the forefathers of Abraham? To be within the apostolic teaching, we must view how the disciples understood theses maters. We should also look in the authority of the devil, before and after the attonment of Jesus Christ, and the authority of Hades and death.

Yes bond servant to Jesus , that's what I want, and not to forget my family, serving two Masters, but never forgetting Jesus in every thing I do. And serving one another in humility and the guidance of the holy spirit.

Jesus said in Luke 17:29b-21 NKJV Jesus states: "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say 'See here' or 'see there!'. For indeed the Kingdom of God is within you." When Jesus becomes our Lord we become a part of the Kingdom of God. We walk according to the Spirit. You have a very limited idea of who are Christians and will be in Heaven. I do agree that we can partake of many benefits such as joy and peace, but they grow in us as we depend on God's promises. People don't necessarily need to be exercising gifts to be a part of God's Kingdom. If we have the Spirit in us crying Abba we have the promise of salvation. People are invited to give our opinions on this forum. All revelations and prophecy needs to be weighed by Scripture under any circumstances. There is a place for this under prophecy in our forum, I believe. No one gets to make a proclamation without the opinions and understanding of others being expressed in other places. If you are not accustomed to having your revelations evaluated you need to be--we are told to do so. Amazing, you are very articulate, you know how to guide without expressing anger, you are a peace maker, thank you.

. I had the same experience, I am glad to here your testimony, in this matter, I understand it , very powerful, that's why they remaine in their captivities, they oppose even Jesus who try to help them, they right all the time. Figurative speaking , which is also trouth, they telling Jesus to thing they way they do. They can not tell the difference between their thoughts, and Jesus guidance , they beleive anything they thing is from the holly spirit, because that what they want, they forget the trickery of deceiving spirits. May they find their way and have a good testimony to help others, and for there own good.

Brother, I am in full agreement with you. This is a divine trouth, I beleive you did not say that from your self, but with power of the holy spirit, I hope all beleiver come to this knowledge. Jesus Loves you for that, how beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news. Jesus said exactly the same message. Jesus bless you. I am very glad to here that.

Jesus said " I am the light of the world" In the Gospel of Jonh chapter one is repeated the same thing. Jesus was the light of the world from the beggining. This was a sign from God that the Light is gone from the world. This darkness came at the same time Jesus died. The light left the world, descended to the very depths of the earth. But it will come back in three days. The three our, symbolize the three days the light of the world, won't be shining on the earth but it will light the underworld. But the light will come out from there in three days. The world will be without the light for three days, that's what the three hours of darkness means. It was a sign from God.

Every one must be judge according to his faith in Jesus Christ, and according to his works for rewards, and perhaps someone might suggest other judgements, like the judgement of the good stiuard, to whom much is given, much will be required, or as some suggest the judgement of the water Baptism. The judgement of faith in God without Jesus Christ is death. God can not judge anyone, he has given the judgement to his Christ. Jesus said: All authority is given to me. Eternal life comes with the faith of Christ. How can someone be judge according to his faith in Christ if the Gospel was not preace to him? And be given the opportunity to denied or beleive. The people who died before Jesus Christ in the whole world, have they heard the Gospel?

. The ultimate question is, what are they seeing after turning to the Lord, not seen before? They see another profile of Christ, they see him through Esaias 53: the passion of Christ, they see the sign of the serpant in the desert lifted up,that the bite of the snake can not give them death, that separates from God,they see that Christ must die,see Jesus lifted up, and his resuraction and him seated on the throne of God in the heavens And the authotity and rulership of Christ. They see the Heavenly Promise Land, Jesus been the Ruler on the Throne. And they see them selfs there not only with him but also with God the Father and Abraham and Moses and people from the whole world.

have to go to lunch ... later today or maybe tomorrow yahweh willing i'll add a few verses you're looking for or thinking of. just wanted to let you know you're right to not try to interpret scripture or interpret prophecy; just like daniel and joseph did not give their own interpretation of dream(s) - the meaning is yahweh's , not open to men to decide. so rest with what yahweh says and teaches you, and not what man devises all too often not in line with yahweh's word. . Brother, what you just post, is not from your self, it is from the holy spirit. Even the priest of Egypt said, the dream to Faraow was not given from our Gods. We can not have the interpretation, our Gods don't want to speculate, it's not them who gave the dream, the God of Josef gave the dream, the meaning is lock with him. He can reveal it to Josef, he is his God, Josef said, I am not going to speculate and interpret the dream, I am not the giver. If the giver gives me the interpretation I will tell you. In this case no one could change what the giver plan to do. The Jews made their speculations about the prophesies, they deceived the elect, who were waiting for the Messia. Their own literal interpretations, which blind them, put a veil in front of their eyes, you see how Jesus show to Paul what the speculators had done to Paul, they had blind him ( the scales in his eyes) Jesus free Paul from their fictional interpretations. That's how the elect will be deceived, the same way. Just like the Jews. What happen to the temple Jesus build with his obedience unto death? You are the temple of the living God. He said at the time of the second temple, I will be please only when I build a temple with my own hands. And how about the living stones temple, with Jesus as the corner stone, can you have something more Glorious than that? I am wondering who is their corner stone for the temple they want to build? Is it the false prophet? Is it the Antichrist ? The scripture said, do you want to prophesie, go ahead for events that will happen in your life, so you can be judge, if you were trouth or not.

I am curios about what you suggest , Can you please explain a litle more.

. Noah was a righteous man, that's all, without the blood of Jesus Christ, and without the eternal life, righteous but still from the fallen inheritance. Jesus never said, to be baptize for the forgiveness of sins, he said in the name of ....... I can see that in his name you have all.and the father and the holy spirit iit is only through him. He wanted to cut off the Jews from going back to practice, Judaism, what they new all their lifes and for the Gentiles to cut them off from the idols, and so on, you may say from their past, whatever it is. Some people can be save from those things with the right teaching and the renewing of their mind. To be separated to him and be save from the things of the word is another mater, he said by the washing ofthe word of God, receiving the knowledge, in the mean time you are under the blood of the lamb, that's how I see it anyways. Your brother.

Not only James but most of the jweis people new the story of Abraham, they knew that God in Genesis 15:6, right after the battle of the kings God repeated his promise to Abram if it matters that even thought childless yet he will have a son of his own, and Abram beleive him and he credit that to him as righteousness, I notice that happen when he was still Abram and before the sircumsition ( which came fourteen years later) genesis 17: in this chapter The Lord appear to him and change his name to Abraham and gave him the sircumsition, at 99 years old and Ismael 13 years old, Isaac was a child within the sircumsition, the Lord also told Abraham, that only if he obeys him every time he asks him to do something his promises to him will be fullfiled. Here we see that God gave him " RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH, contritional to a clause" if you continiou to obey everything that I will ask of you" that's what James had in mind when he was referring to Abraham (the maintainance clause. Today do we have a maintainance clause for us? For the imputed RIGHTESNESS is it not depended on Jesus obedience? Abraham did not have a savior to speak on his behave or may have been the savior for Isaac ? Was Isaac's obedience require for maintainance ? I don't know right now. What was the inheritance of his obedience, ( I am telling you, you don't want to have it) Abraham's rightness was not together with the eternal life, he was still separated from God. We all know there are blessing of prayers without works, (healings ..... The Baptis of the spirit... And blessings which requires someone to get involved. Jesus got involved, his obedience, for his imputed rightnessnes. And the free gift of the eternal life. About our own rightness for this life is another matter.

. I did not suggest anything like that,( that someone needs the communion to be save). No never. Only that Jesus said that forgiveness of sins is in his blood, I am in agreement with your presentation, only in his blood.

. You are a bless brother, you speak in the line of Jesus Christ, I am not trying to take the blessing you have from Jesus for my self, this is your gift to have this revelation. If you permit, I would like to mention something. Jesus did say: this is the blood of the new covenant to be shed for the forgiveness of sins. Do this in my memmory, when we participate in the communion,

Brother,I have found my self in similar situations Falling into the hands of sencere people, what they suggest may work and may be Godly suggested, but that does not means, it is the will of God for you, to have thoses burdens upon your shoulder. Perhaps missions for young people. Almost at the end of the marathone race, they want you to start at the beginning. I believe the way you feel is from God. He trying to tell you, don't try to save yourself from hell, you are his, you are under his blood as long as you believe with as litle faith, just like a mustard seed. Before this .....or that......before all those things, faith was preach in his name. You will find it interesting how huble was Peter who accepted redirection from Jesus all the time. Find your peace in his name. Even those that are call upon his name, I know that you will never renounce your faith, so find your rest in him. He has a nice place waiting for you in heavens as soon as you leave this body, In the mean time don't judge. Your self too hursly, have a beer or two, even thought Jesus had a drink of red wine before he died and he said is good, and he said I would like to have another one, he got vinegar instant......don't need to be correct in this one. Rest from anxieties. Jesus loves you they way you are, I know what you are thinking, but you are not one of them who want to have a reward from Jesus because they did good things in his name, with the income of the works of iniquities (under payed work, overpricing, forced production, same pay, promise benefits, think something yourself, Jesus said: what do you want reward for the good you did, you still ow a lot to the people you took advantage of, go make right and come back. Dear brother, Jesus is not judging faith in this example, only works for reward. He never say you go to hell, even thought you beleive in me, Actually he might say: don't present your works to me, before your faith, Your faith is accepted, your works rejected, You are mine because, I bought you with my blood.

Exactly. Great post, simplejeff.. I have not slep for a day or two, I don't known how to deal with this situation and I don't know how to say it to be politically correct . I have been Baptize by a Catholic Pastor, what should I do? I have been very much concern about this matter, after reading your post. Am I Lost? Should I tell my wife and children that I am lost. O!! I forgot, then they are lost too, and their parents And so on .......all generations. How can I deal with that? Can you please Baptize me, and also Baptize me for my dead relatives? Come on, nt, don't get all upset. You're not 'lost' because of a Catholic baptism. You can join another church any time you want to. I think God is more concerned about your heart than what type of church baptised you and that goes for your family as well. Your salvation isn't through ANY church; you have it because of your faith in Jesus. That is all that is required. You really care for people, this Catholic Pastor told me the same thing, your salvation is not through any church, or ritual, you already have it because of your faith in Jesus Christ. Thank you, and God bless you.

Exactly. Great post, simplejeff. . I have not slep for a day or two, I don't known how to deal with this situation and I don't know how to say it to be politically correct . I have been Baptize by a Catholic Pastor, what should I do? I have been very much concern about this matter, after reading your post. Am I Lost? Should I tell my wife and children that I am lost. O!! I forgot, then they are lost too, and their parents And so on .......all generations. How can I deal with that? Can you please Baptize me, and also Baptize me for my dead relatives?

I have an exable, where both faith and works have been aplly, and still the result is no fruit or dead, I believed with all my might and all my hart, that if I put the works, day in and day out, that I will see not a dead faith. ( WHAT IS NOT A DEAD FAITH) anyways? The result was still dead.

Brother emercus, Is there any one, who is under the blood of Jesus Christ? And if there is, in what kingdom can they make it, if any?

Long time ago, there were some people, identified. By their common attire, for men and women, briefly they had common characteristics, that just by looking at them, you were able to tell their nation, and or their specific affiliation with a group within their nation. Every time there is a new movement immitiatly we had an I.D. Problem (unless the new movement comes with their own fashion) So this is the picture: About 2,000 years ago, a new species appear. That species look like a Duck, (perceived to onlooker, that walk like a duck, and that will quack like a Duck). that's why created confusion to the original Ducks, the similarities created a common breading ground, and when the leaders of the Original Ducks objerved a constant migration flow from them to the new species, but not the other way around, they became alarm, they needed to protect their Ducklings and slow down the migration, by naming the new species of ducks, CHRISTIANS, and which species name them selfs" jweis Cristians" or Greek Cristians, Persian Christians, or Egyptians, or pharicians Christians (of the sircumsition ) or Hellenic Christias, or ....or...... As a believer in Jesus Christ, Jesus knows that you belong to him. But there many earthly needs for not only I.D. But for various reasons. Questions as, who is going to marry us or our children, bless us, Babyize us, teach us, sosialize with,support us, and if you care bury us. So there you are, many Christian cultures ahead of you, choose one,. How? How? How? My stomach is turning upside down.!!!

. You are well educated, you are rightly dividing the Greek and you understand the couture and contex and you give very sound scenarios.

Paul is saying Jesus ask me to accept to go to jail. And I have agree, he wants me here, that's his will, don't pray for me, to be set free, because you love me, I know his will, and I am here that is his work, not the work of the enemies. Remember in Jerusalem they tried to stop me the breathen of the church, for going there, but I new what is going to happen, Jesus told me, and I said here I am.

go with what we know: Yeshua's Perfect, the Perfect Sacrifice, and He died one time, once for all, once for all the sins of mankind, for as many as are called according to His purpose and believe in Him etc etc etc -- don't get hung up on english and other short comings. Yeshua died once for all. He will never die again. There is no other sacrifice for sin needed nor planned. so, "THAT" suffering is over , finished, complete. now, when did/ would/ will/ the apostles, disciples, then and now today suffer ? whenever a follower of Yeshua stands up for the truth, for the Gospel's sake , when they do as Yeshua said in Scripture with what follows, then they will necessarily suffer painful persecution for their stand / faith/ claiming to be one with the Messiah. so, those who are abiding in Yeshua will suffer. they have suffered , and they do suffer. this is all in line with what we can see and know in Yahweh's WORD. then to what Paul says, as far as we know .... "fill up the suffering" "make up what is lacking" .... well.... that's a mystery , for now, probably or possibly because english and other languages it's been presented in don't reveal what Yahweh breathed through Paul in writing it. it's that simple. until Yahweh reveals it, we won't know. (almost too obviously, no one , not clearly yet, has found out / discovered/ revealed accurately what Yahweh means so far.... maybe soon; maybe already but missed... maybe not ever; Yahweh's decision.) . Maybe you going to be the first one, then you tell us , all the mysteries, We don't disagree with your comments about the perfection of Jesus and we don't want to take anything away from him, this is not the intent. But please make the distinction, ( not every one has a perfect mind, and perhaps no one, but we can grow towards), Paul is saying "I am in jail, Jesus did not go to jail. Jail is part of our afflictions, don't let any one say, because Jesus did not go to jail, then he want let any one go to jail, it is not in his will, it is not part of our faith. Suggesting I am in jail for my own mistakes, and not for the Gospel,