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Yes, this would be why Jesus did not come as a Chinese man. Since the Chinese outnumber everyone else, they must have a special place in God's plans and purposes. I agree with you Ezra. I am simply illustrating how the covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Christ because He was a Hebrew. Then, He said with authority to His disciples, "As you enter the house, give it your greeting. If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city,shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city." (Matthew 10:12-15). Therefore, the blessings to the descendants of Abraham are given to the believers in Christ both Jew and gentile (Genesis 12:3). This is why there is no longer Jew or gentile (Galatians 3:28). The blessing of descendants of Abraham are through Christ. It is not an offence to anyone to say that a Jew needs to accept Christ. It as though we make it out to be some bad thing like an insult to them to say that they need to accept Christ. Like, oh darn you will receive the Holy Spirit and peace and find greater understand of the law when you accept the Messiah has already come. Like, come on, seriously. We have been intimidated in the church by the descendants who still refuse to accept Him as their savior into accepting that they have favor without Christ, and somehow we are not able to discern the difference between Christ's blessing on the nation of Israel with His death on the cross, and the superficial blessing that is being preached today by many who still would rather follow traditions that were birthed from integrating idolatry within Judaism. Peace.

Again a long strangely worded and irrelevant answer to my questions. Below is your post from November 3rd. How do you explain your assertions and what, in Scripture backs them up? Galations 5:1 does not relate to anything you wrote. Btw....why would I want to refute anything I wrote??? Because the state of Israel will be the central location of the UN, and they will confirm a covenant with the US to continue the constitution, and this will be the deception that would deceive the elect, if that were possible (Matthew 24:24) because many Christians will probably still think that this is a victory for God's people. Because the state of Israel is successfully dividing us into Jews and gentiles again, and if we are separate, and a Jew rejects Christ, isn't that the definition of an antiChrist. More so, because as decedents of God's chosen people, the reason behind why Jesus came into the world. He came into the world and died on a cross to save His people first, and if for a time they inhabit the land, and in that time they reject Him the same way they did when He lived, isn't that the definition of an Antichrist. "But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." (Luke 12:48). The Jews were given the law. The law was a gift, not a curse. "The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;" (Psalm 19:7). They rejected the law, and then many of them rejected the Savior who died for them. They are even more accountable for their rejection of their Messiah. But, the builders of the state of Israel have almost successfully made the whole earth worship it, and when what is holding it back is taken out of the way, it will be revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:6). With the exception of the US, which would be the only country with any real ability to resist the change. That is why there is a complex plan to deceive the US and control the media. We are the only ones who can say no because we can exist independently of global governance. Whereas many countries are not able to do this and have already been occupied and are controlled by the UN. Therefore, because of this, the constitution would be confirmed as a agreement with our nation as a result of this. Like a peace treaty. Like a false sign of respect for our country and the loss of our independent economy, in exchange for the global mark making us part of a global Israel. As though the Antichrist had a heart and cared about what we will lose as a nation because of whatever event is coming that will cause us to unify the world under a mark under the banner of Israel. I didn't stutter the first or the second time MG. But, I will add another verse to the list of verses I quotes in both posts that you have yet to dispute with an actual verse of scripture. "And Jesus said to them, 'A prophet is not without honor, except in his own hometown and among his relatives and in his own household" (Mark 6:4). Now, I know you like to preach as though everyone should just take your word for it every time you say something is not found in scripture, but I am letting you know that I will refuse to talk to you from here on if you do not show me the respect of using scripture to dispute what I am saying, which it does not appear you are able to do.

I clearly did not move on to another subject. I just refused to talk to you anymore. Maybe, since you are quoting something that I included further in this conversation where I quoted scripture in response, which also refutes the claim that I moved on because I have nothing to say. Maybe, you could do me the favor of opening your Bible to provide a response for why the verse that I quoting does not prove the point that I am trying to make. I find that you rarely quote scripture when you respond, and you often seem to think that you are able to call out false teaching. So, if you have such superior knowledge, why don't tell me why this is not an accurate conclusion. From scripture, please. You posted this......"But here is a vers." "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then and do not let yourselves AGAIN be burdeneded with a yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1) This verse isn't even remotely RELATED to all the stuff you posted about Israel. This was supposed to back up your claim that Israel will produce the A/C, are not God's chosen people and are deceiving the U.S. into supporting them. Also that the whole world worships Israel. I'm sorry but that one verse doesn't explain or verify ONE thing you said; in fact, every bit of your claim is unbiblical. It's not my job to post Scripture to back up YOUR posts, Esther. So do you have supporting Scripture or are you just making up your own End Time scenario? I am not campaigning for your vote MG. I am engaging in conversation because writing helps stimulate growth in critical thinking and ideas. Writing is like planting seeds. Some seeds grow. Some seeds don't. I enjoy writing. It is fun for me, and it has been one of the most useful tools to grow spiritually in the last 5 years or so of my life since I started journaling. A message board is like a journal with other people at this point. I am just bored listening to myself. However, I do actually have another scriptural reference even if you don't have one to refute your claim that I am wrong, again. The story of Jonah and whale. Helping Israel is like helping a disobedient Jonah try to go to Tarshish. The nation state of Israel filled with extrabiblical teachings is going to bring us all down with the ship. Although, I am not saying to reject someone in need who is a Jew. But, yes, I do reject the false teachings within Judaism. I think they will harm us all if someone doesn't throw them off the boat like the sailors threw Jonah off the boat and calmed the storm. Unfortunately, today, we are praising these false teachings as though they were some sort of cute thing God's people did, so it doesn't matter. It is like the church acts like a bunch of tourists traveling the Holy Land whenever they hear them. "Wow, Marge, can you imagine how boring the Sabbath used to be with all them laws the Pharisees made back then." "Poor dears." This is how the church acts instead of being a blessing to them by showing them what the errors were so they can understand the message of Christ. It is many of these things that keep them from Christ today, that the American church praises like tourists with loud, tacky shirts, and cameras wrapped around their necks ready to take a pic of a real live descendant of Abraham. Wow!

Yes, this would be why Jesus did not come as a Chinese man.

Jesus said He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Thank God He has not given up on the Jewish people. It is statements like this that turn Jews away from the Gospel of Grace. Please be careful. For one, I specifically and clearly stated this as a foundation for the case that I was making throughout my post. It is the basis for considering the greatest offense to the cross would be from the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 23:37). I made this very clear throughout my post. For two, I have been through things that are inappropriate to share on a site like this. Horrible, horrible things, and at the end of the day, these things don't give me a exemption from repentance card. As a victim of severe injustice, I still have to repent of my sins. I call someone who cannot repent because of what you are suggesting keeps the Jews from the Gospel of grace, fickle. Forgive me if I misunderstand, but from what I have been reading the case you have been making is that the Jews are not and cannot be God's chosen people because that would mean that they do not need salvation of Christ, correct? What I am suggesting, if you will read my earlier post to you, is that no one can be saved without Jesus, while the Jews are still considered God's chosen people. Mat 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! You continue to speak about the greatest offense to the cross and to Jesus, and I am not sure where you are getting this from. Can you please post scripture? I have posted the chapter and verse that you mentioned above. This verse comes at the end of a speech that Jesus is speaking to the multitudes, after the Pharisees and Sadducees had been trying to prove Him wrong and plot against Him in chapter 22. He is telling the multitudes (which includes his disciples and Pharisees, as He was in the temple) to do what the Pharisees say to do, but do not act like them. They like to make a show and be seen as all knowing and important. But God cares about what is inside, and not what is outside. He says in verses 11 and 12 that anyone who is greatest shall be the servant, anyone who exalts himself will be humbled and those who are humble will be exalted. Israel as a nation had become like the Pharisees, wanting to outwardly look righteous but not being so inwardly. Jesus does not say anywhere in this section that He was offended, nor does He say that this is the greatest offense of the cross. This verse 37 IMHO is merely God mourning Israel's heart condition. There is clearly a lot of love in that statement as well as sadness. Offense implies anger, resentment, revenge... things that Jesus is not about. He WILLINGLY laid down His life for all who will believe on Him, WHILE they were still sinners. No one, in their entire life, has ever deserved the grace that He provides, NO ONE. And He still did it anyway. Could He have done that if He was offended? I don't know what you have been through, nor you me. But I can tell you it took me almost almost 17 years to believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, because people who claimed the title "Christian" did not behave as Christ towards me. I am a Jew. All I can tell you is Jesus is the only cure for any and every hurt, including those who do not recognize that they have wronged you. I will be praying for you. Hmm, see I wasn't getting that you were making a case that no one could be saved without accepting Christ from the post previously either. I love your testimony and I was referencing the verse from Matthew to show His sadness over being rejected by His people. I was using the word offense to reflect the other team. The Pharisees act with anger, resentment, and revenge and offend Him. Therefore, the greatest offence will be the son of Perdition who appears to come out of Israel. ""While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12). The son of perdition is the offender, not Christ. I was quoting the verse to show His sadness over this because He did lay down His life so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish (John 3:16), but this is dependent upon believing in Him and not dependent on genealogy. He is grieved as we also should be as Christians because He is our Lord. Now, I have been considering whether after this all Israel is saved happens after this and whether the people in Israel who survive all of these things will all accept Christ, but this still does not whitewash the events that are said to take place next according to the prophecy. I guess what I am saying is that there is more to endure, in a sense, before we can start saying there is victory and expect the restoration of Israel. I am saying that the order according to the prophecy is that the son of perdition that was represented by Judas is still coming, and so are the 2 witnesses who are said to die in the same place that the Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8). To say otherwise is to whitewash the prophecy. Therefore, I was thinking about something while I was in the grocery store a little while ago, about how only Caleb and Joshua entered the promised land with all of the generation that was 20 years and younger according to the judgement of the Lord (Numbers 14). They all inherited the Promised Land, but this was still after the others were disobedient in the wilderness. However, I am not convinced that is what the verse means either. But, I am considering it. And, it is sad to a point, because at any time they are able to accept Christ, and none of this would matter much anymore. So, what I am saying is that tribulation is being whitewashed I guess, and we have not reached victory yet according to the prophecy. Does that make sense?

Sister, no one is saying that Jews who do not accept Christ will be "ok" in the salvation department. The fact that they are God's chosen people does not mean that they earn instant salvation. That is not what "chosen" means. Abraham, a Hebrew, was chosen by God. Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob. From Jacob (also named Israel) came the nation of Israel, and from Israel came Jesus. This was not based on anything that Abraham did. It just so happens that Abraham was a Hebrew, and he was chosen by God. That's it. Because Abraham believed God in faith, God blessed him and made him a great nation. The Jews are the chosen people of God, that is a biblical fact; but that doesn't mean they can have salvation without Jesus. Rom 3:1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Rom 3:2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? Rom 3:4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written: "THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS, AND MAY OVERCOME WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED." The advantage of being a Jew is because to them were "committed the oracles of God." The word oracle is the Greek word logion, which means "an utterance (of God)" according to Strong's Hebrew & Green dictionary. In other words, to the Jews were committed the word of God (Jesus!), the law and the prophets, and God's self revelation in the Old Testament. However, I will paraphrase the question posed in verse 3: Will God still be faithful to them if they do not believe? The answer is no. Rom 3:9 What then? Are we (Jews) better than they (Gentiles)? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. Then, we are essentially saying the same thing Widor. I don't know how the misunderstanding was created, but just know that I am saying what you are saying as well. This is a much more objective view. What I was trying to say is that the subject seems to go overboard to the point where Jew and Gentile are separated again.

As for 2 Thessalonians 2:4... if you look in verse 3, it seems to be talking about one man. If, according to you, it is fantasy that all Jews will be saved, that must mean you believe that many will be lost. The man of sin is one person, not many; therefore, I do not believe this scripture points to unbelieving Jews as the "antichrist." 2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. I hope that you will prayerfully consider how your witness is being perceived by all who come in contact with you. "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12). Judas represents the son of perdition as being taken out the twelve. Therefore, suggesting that the future son of perdition would come out of Israel. I have prayerfully considered how my witness is being perceived which is why I am here and not trying to publish my own book. This is a more informal setting where I can mistakes without the same backlash. I will admit that I am young still. I am only 33 right now and I anticipate that it will still be another 3-5 years before I will be mature enough to do something more formal. I honestly realize that when compared to formal writing, I fall very short right now. The plan is to fine tune what He wants me to say to fulfill the purpose that the Lord has given to me that I have been working towards since the day I accepted salvation. I enjoy being here, but I would consider maybe only a handful capable of discerning my errors at this point. However, there is not need to worry. He will help me find them before I move on to whatever is next. Your views on Israel and pretty much everything else Scriptural are simply ill conceived. And I'm still waiting for Scripture to back up your claims. Most who can't do that simply move on to another subject. I clearly did not move on to another subject. I just refused to talk to you anymore. Maybe, since you are quoting something that I included further in this conversation where I quoted scripture in response, which also refutes the claim that I moved on because I have nothing to say. Maybe, you could do me the favor of opening your Bible to provide a response for why the verse that I quoting does not prove the point that I am trying to make. I find that you rarely quote scripture when you respond, and you often seem to think that you are able to call out false teaching. So, if you have such superior knowledge, why don't tell me why this is not an accurate conclusion. From scripture, please.

Things And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Romans 1:26 (KJV) In The Old And New Testament Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31 (KJV) Point To The Total Restoration Of Israel "This is what the LORD says: "'I will restore the fortunes of Jacob's tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place. Jeremiah 30:18 (NIV) When Jesus Comes Back Again Then I will return to my place until they admit their guilt and turn to me. For as soon as trouble comes, they will earnestly search for me." Hosea 5:15 (NLT) You See In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack. The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:16-17 (KJV) ~ PS: Want To Know When Jesus Will Leave Heaven (Rapture) When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Matthew 10:23 (ESV) Look To Jerusalem For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. Matthew 24:21-22 (ESV) ~ Be Blessed Beloved Daughter Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (KJV) Love, Your Brother Joe This is the definition of Israel according to the teachings of the oral law which are behind the Zionist movement that depends on genealogy for salvation. The definition of Israel according to the Gospel is given in John 10:14-16 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd." This is the definition of all who will be saved and part of Israel (Romans 11:25-27). It will be all the ones who hear the Shepherds voice are gathered together. Then, Israel will be restored. I also want to say that your loving presence on this board has helped me many times from falling into the error of not liking some people a whole lot since I have been here. I really appreciate your words and kindness. You are a very worthy watchman. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35).

As for 2 Thessalonians 2:4... if you look in verse 3, it seems to be talking about one man. If, according to you, it is fantasy that all Jews will be saved, that must mean you believe that many will be lost. The man of sin is one person, not many; therefore, I do not believe this scripture points to unbelieving Jews as the "antichrist." 2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. I hope that you will prayerfully consider how your witness is being perceived by all who come in contact with you. "While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled." (John 17:12). Judas represents the son of perdition as being taken out the twelve. Therefore, suggesting that the future son of perdition would come out of Israel. I have prayerfully considered how my witness is being perceived which is why I am here and not trying to publish my own book. This is a more informal setting where I can mistakes without the same backlash. I will admit that I am young still. I am only 33 right now and I anticipate that it will still be another 3-5 years before I will be mature enough to do something more formal. I honestly realize that when compared to formal writing, I fall very short right now. The plan is to fine tune what He wants me to say to fulfill the purpose that the Lord has given to me that I have been working towards since the day I accepted salvation. I enjoy being here, but I would consider maybe only a handful capable of discerning my errors at this point. However, there is not need to worry. He will help me find them before I move on to whatever is next.

Jesus said He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Thank God He has not given up on the Jewish people. It is statements like this that turn Jews away from the Gospel of Grace. Please be careful. For one, I specifically and clearly stated this as a foundation for the case that I was making throughout my post. It is the basis for considering the greatest offense to the cross would be from the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 23:37). I made this very clear throughout my post. For two, I have been through things that are inappropriate to share on a site like this. Horrible, horrible things, and at the end of the day, these things don't give me a exemption from repentance card. As a victim of severe injustice, I still have to repent of my sins. I call someone who cannot repent because of what you are suggesting keeps the Jews from the Gospel of grace, fickle.

You are looping in a couple of covenants here that are not the same. The New Covenant did not replace the Old Covenant. Jesus came to fulfill the law and prophets, not destroy or replace it, as He said: Mat 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Also, the covenant that God made with Abraham was not and is not conditional upon anything. Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said to Abram: "Get out of your country, From your family And from your father's house, To a land that I will show you. Gen 12:2 I will make you a great nation; I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. Gen 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." All have rejected God, both Jew and Gentile. Jesus came to save anyone who will believe on Him, both Jew and Gentile. Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. The only reason Israel is a country right now is because of God. There is plenty of evidence in scripture to see this. I know that you are aware that there is a remnant who will turn to Jesus at the end. How do you know who is a remnant? If you knew who would be saved, would you treat them differently than those that are lost? Why would you not feel sorry for anyone who does not know Christ? There will be a day when Israel as a nation will recognize Him, and they will mourn their unbelief. Zec 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. I am confused. Either Jews being called the "chosen people" is false, or they were chosen by God. Which is it? Here is what God says: Deu 7:6 For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth. Jesus said He came for the lost sheep of Israel. Thank God He has not given up on the Jewish people. It is statements like this that turn Jews away from the Gospel of Grace. Please be careful. Where in the Bible does Jesus say what the greatest offense to Him is? Christ died for all sinners... and I don't remember Him being offended when we (Jews, Gentiles, the world, etc.) rejected Him. Isaiah 53:10 says it pleased the Lord to bruise Him. To sin is to reject Jesus. That is why He came. Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Rom 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. As for 2 Thessalonians 2:4... if you look in verse 3, it seems to be talking about one man. If, according to you, it is fantasy that all Jews will be saved, that must mean you believe that many will be lost. The man of sin is one person, not many; therefore, I do not believe this scripture points to unbelieving Jews as the "antichrist." 2Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 2Th 2:4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. I hope that you will prayerfully consider how your witness is being perceived by all who come in contact with you. They cannot be a chosen people if they reject Christ. It contradicts everything in the New Testament. Israel will all be saved because Israel will be defined as all of those who accept Christ. That is the definition of all of Israel will be saved. To say otherwise is to contradict the context of the whole Bible and the gift of free will. It will never happen that all of either Jew or Gentile will be saved just like they were not all saved in the wilderness. They did not all enter the land because they had the free will to choose idolatry in the wilderness. Saying that they are the "chosen" people as though they do not have to accept the New Covenant He made with them that requires they accept Christ and that no one will come to the Father but by Him (John 14:6), is a doctrine by people who are from the Zionist agenda who are not Christians. They are like the Judaizers from the book of Gentiles trying to teach the church that they don't have to accept Christ because they are chosen people. I am sorry that the truth is difficult for you to accept.

You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. You just posted that Israel was worshipped by the whole world (a lie) and that they were conspiring to bring the A/C to power (another lie) and that the A/C will be a Jew (another lie). and you have absolutely NO Biblical backing for anything. Btw, I don't get my religious views from the GOP; what a foolish thing to say. You are deluded, as I said, and I sincerely hope you find your way to the Truth before it's too late. Yes, I did and you just proved my point. Just you wait until all of our helping Israel who rejects Christ gets us taken into captivity with Israel and they turn around and make us their slaves through a false covenant with us that there is no intention of keeping. If there were a prophet here today, they would putting on some sackcloth and ashes over this. Wait, that's right. There are two witnesses coming clothed in sackcloth (Revelation 11:3), and it is looking like they will be killed by the state of Israel. "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8). Or, does someone think that He is planning on sending His two witnesses to the Palestinians. The two witnesses will be sent to Israel and they will be rejected by the decedents of Abraham. All it would take is for the powers that be to set Israel up to be the hero that overcomes the "enemy" Islamic nation, and the world would worship Israel as a God in its own right, seperate and not dependent on Christ. Because the elite are not phased by Islam. They have enough money to pay them to be whatever religion they want them to be that will serve their interests the best. You aren't the first to come to this site to promote anti-Jew propaganda and completely unbiblical claims and I'm sure you won't be the last. The bolded, above, is off the charts. But... you know how it goes here, Esther. Please post chapter and verse to back up your way out there assertions. well arent I just so surprised you resort to name calling. No I am not. It is what I have come to expect from you by now. Maybe you would think the prophets were antisemitic too for telling the people they would be taken into captivity. Maybe it would be a good idea to read the prophets again and get an idea of how He has dealt with His people in the past, and why He has done this --because they would not get rid of their idols. But here is a vers. "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm then and do not let yourselves AGAIN be burdeneded with a yoke of slavery." (Galatians 5:1) The way out of Israel's captivity is through Christ. There is no other way.

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section? What a load of fertilizer! What conspiracy. This is a photo with a description from the UN multimedia gallery, which is why it says unmultimedia.org and not Alienwatchers. I am sorry that the truth is so hard for you to accept. I'm referring to the bolded sentence above. Now throw some truth out there and I will check it out.. oh, I would not have guessed that. I thought everyone knew that many countries were enslaved through debt. But, Agenda 21 Earth Summit is a good resource that demonstrates the authority the UN has in addressing the debt of the nations. There is also an orginization called the Jubilee Centre who has been advocating for many of these countries to recieve debt forgiveness. They have many papers on the subject of the nations crippling debt. So, I guess I should have said the banks who own the other countries, but they own the UN too, and they have given them the sceptre of authority over these matters. I am surprised you thought this was conspiracy though.

You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. You just posted that Israel was worshipped by the whole world (a lie) and that they were conspiring to bring the A/C to power (another lie) and that the A/C will be a Jew (another lie). and you have absolutely NO Biblical backing for anything. Btw, I don't get my religious views from the GOP; what a foolish thing to say. You are deluded, as I said, and I sincerely hope you find your way to the Truth before it's too late. Yes, I did and you just proved my point. Just you wait until all of our helping Israel who rejects Christ gets us taken into captivity with Israel and they turn around and make us their slaves through a false covenant with us that there is no intention of keeping. If there were a prophet here today, they would putting on some sackcloth and ashes over this. Wait, that's right. There are two witnesses coming clothed in sackcloth (Revelation 11:3), and it is looking like they will be killed by the state of Israel. "And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8). Or, does someone think that He is planning on sending His two witnesses to the Palestinians. The two witnesses will be sent to Israel and they will be rejected by the decedents of Abraham. All it would take is for the powers that be to set Israel up to be the hero that overcomes the "enemy" Islamic nation, and the world would worship Israel as a God in its own right, seperate and not dependent on Christ. Because the elite are not phased by Islam. They have enough money to pay them to be whatever religion they want them to be that will serve their interests the best.

I think you're showing your true colors, Esther. So you think Israel is the anti-Christ? The whole world worships Israel? Are you living on planet Earth? Israel is our enemy? Do you even OWN a Bible? Your statements above come directly from one who is suffering under delusion and I urge you to repent and turn away from your anit-Semitic school of thought. That will lead you to only one end. Yes, my true colors. I very clearly understand that Jesus came to set the Jews free. I clearly understand that Jesus died on the cross so that His people would see this and accept Him for forgiveness of sins, just as Paul, James, Peter, etc. did and worked as apostles to establish the New Covenant that He was establishing with Israel. I also clearly understand that there are decedents of Abraham who this is still intended for and who will accept Christ as Savior. I also understand that the the Old Covenant with Israel has been replaced with the New Covenant with Israel, that the gentile nations are welcome to accept as well. Therefore, as decedents of Abraham, I would strongly encourage them to accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and decedents of Abraham are restored through accepting Christ as their Savior. The New Covenant is the agreement He was making with a nation that rejected His law that gave them their privilege among the nations. Therefore, I understand that building Israel as though it were God's will to allow the Jew to reject Him because they are decedents of Abraham is a lie. It is just not true, and there is no reason to feel sorry for them for this, or think that this is spoken as a offense when Christ is ready save all those who will come to Him; and, they will be held to a higher standard because they were blessed with the law-and a Messiah. Now, having said that, I have no real interest in continuing to point out that a Jew cannot reject Christ and inherit life, just like I have no interest in continuing to argue with you in your deception that they are elite because of a genealogical distinction. This "chosen people," thing is false teaching from people who do not want to accept Christ. They want the church to believe that they don't have to accept Christ because they are "chosen," so they can resurrect the Israel where they served Kings. This is where the Antichrist will come in. However, I still say, YES, they were chosen and that is why He sent His Son to die on the cross, and there is a difference in this teaching of the covenant He made with Abraham that we are being deceived with. The covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Christ who is the Messiah of Israel. I also realize there has been suffering and persecution of the Jewish people; however, they are just as capable of leaving their bondage to the false teachings of Judaism and accepting Christ at any time, which any believer in Christ should be able to tell you is not a bad deal to accept. I think that it is a fantasy to think that all the Jews will be saved when this has never happened throughout scripture. A blaring example is the Pharisees. But, neither will the Gentiles. A blaring example is the Cesars of Rome. Even though both are able to do so, we will continue to grow together as wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30), and the greatest offense to Christ is a Jew who will reject Him as Savior because He came to save Israel because of His covenant with Abraham; in other words, he will be the Antichrist spoken of in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2:4). There is nothing anti-semitic about recognizing that He wants to save His people through accepting His Son as their Savior, rather than depending on their genealogy for salvation, privilege, and land; and, I do think it is heartbreaking. I could imagine a book of Lamentations being written over it. But, this comment that you have made reflects the opinion of the denomination of the republican party and not Gospel.

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section? What a load of fertilizer! What conspiracy. This is a photo with a description from the UN multimedia gallery, which is why it says unmultimedia.org and not Alienwatchers. I am sorry that the truth is so hard for you to accept.

Thanks for your thoughts, Esther. The prophecy is stated as concerning Daniel's people and holy city. It references Jerusalem as the holy city so I take "Daniels' people" to mean the Jews. How do you think this prophecy relates to the US and it's constitution? Because the state of Israel will be the central location of the UN, and they will confirm a covenant with the US to continue the constitution What is this part of your reply based on? "A view of Government House in Jerusalem which is located on Jabal El Muqabber and is the Headquarters of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). The site commands a spectacular view of Jerusalem and the general surroundings. This scene, taken from the garden looking south-west." http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/126/0126345.html Well, this and that the UN is already controlling the world through debt. It only looks like these countries maintain their own governments.

Thanks for your thoughts, Esther. The prophecy is stated as concerning Daniel's people and holy city. It references Jerusalem as the holy city so I take "Daniels' people" to mean the Jews. How do you think this prophecy relates to the US and it's constitution? Because the state of Israel will be the central location of the UN, and they will confirm a covenant with the US to continue the constitution, and this will be the deception that would deceive the elect, if that were possible (Matthew 24:24) because many Christians will probably still think that this is a victory for God's people. Because the state of Israel is successfully dividing us into Jews and gentiles again, and if we are separate, and a Jew rejects Christ, isn't that the definition of an antiChrist. More so, because as decedents of God's chosen people, the reason behind why Jesus came into the world. He came into the world and died on a cross to save His people first, and if for a time they inhabit the land, and in that time they reject Him the same way they did when He lived, isn't that the definition of an Antichrist. "But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more." (Luke 12:48). The Jews were given the law. The law was a gift, not a curse. "The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;" (Psalm 19:7). They rejected the law, and then many of them rejected the Savior who died for them. They are even more accountable for their rejection of their Messiah. But, the builders of the state of Israel have almost successfully made the whole earth worship it, and when what is holding it back is taken out of the way, it will be revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:6). With the exception of the US, which would be the only country with any real ability to resist the change. That is why there is a complex plan to deceive the US and control the media. We are the only ones who can say no because we can exist independently of global governance. Whereas many countries are not able to do this and have already been occupied and are controlled by the UN. Therefore, because of this, the constitution would be confirmed as a agreement with our nation as a result of this. Like a peace treaty. Like a false sign of respect for our country and the loss of our independent economy, in exchange for the global mark making us part of a global Israel. As though the Antichrist had a heart and cared about what we will lose as a nation because of whatever event is coming that will cause us to unify the world under a mark under the banner of Israel.

Last Daze, I find your observations very interesting. I have read this verse and considered the constitution many times but could not see how they would fit together because we are living in a time when what is happening to the constitution resembles what this verse is saying. Like for example, the constitution were an example of what the covenant that will be confirmed for one week would look like when it will be revoked in the middle of the week. But, this obviously wouldn't work because 1776-2015+ would not equal a week. Although, every time I hear the arguments about freedoms being taken away from us that are included in the constitution, I think of this verse, which didn't make sense because I did read through it without considering that this was part of an existing doctrine. My personal speculation is that this is how the US would be recruited under the beast. He will confirm principles from the constitution; or, use principles in the constitution to appeal to Christians in joining in some sort of unification under the Antichrist. But, this is just speculation. I do think it is too soon to know for sure what this would entail. Just wanted to share my considerations.

Hi Kwik, I think honor actually fits better within the context of the Gospels than the word forsaken within our modern understanding and use of the word. Even when you consider Psalm 22 because Jesus was not David. Jesus was the Son of God who was frequently rebuking people for their lack of faith. For example, when Peter was attempting to encourage Him by telling Him He would not suffer on the cross, He responded, "But turning and seeing his disciples, he rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind me, Satan! For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.” (Mark 8:33). I just find it hard to believe that He would contradict the strength of His message to have faith by resorting to the same complaint of David, who was a man after God's own heart, but that didn't mean that He didn't have the heart of a man. Additionally, the context of the New Testament centers around rejoicing in suffering, or considering it an honor to suffer for the cause of Christ. "And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;" (Romans 5:3). "That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 12:10). "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds," (James 1:2). As well as, when you cross reference the final words of Jesus with the other Gospels, the context improves when you change the stress of the word from a negative to a positive. Therefore, it would also contexts transitions better from the life of Christ to the building of the early church if Jesus were to say that He were being honored rather than forsaken because you never see them teaching the early church that we should rejoice in suffering even when we suffer to the point we feel forsaken. There is another man who is also translating the New Testament scriptures from the Aramaic who uses the word spared instead of honor. So, it would read, "My God, My God, why have you spared me," and this allows us to see the same strength of Christ that He demonstrated during His ministry. "The people were amazed at his teaching, for he taught with real authority--quite unlike the teachers of religious law" (Mark 1:22). I have also learned from personal experience that you only feel forsaken when you don't understand why the Lord is putting you through trials and Jesus fully understood His purpose in life. In my own experience, the times when I was suffering pushed me to learn the truth that lies cause a lot of the suffering in the world. In other words, I feel honored now that I am going through a trial because the trial is what spares me from believing lies and brings me closer to Him. Therefore, I find it hard to believe that He ever felt forsaken especially when He was near the end of His time of suffering that He knew He would have to endure to begin with and His suffering is one of the many things that sets Him apart from the rest of us. In suffering, He was honored, not forsaken. He was spared by being able to return to the Father. He knew He was going to be with the Father in a few moments. Why would he have the same complaint as David who sought Him in a much more limited understanding than Christ. Peace.

I think that the best way that you can help your friends is to start by reading the Bible. There are some great apps that have Bible reading plans that will help you set goals for yourself to finish it cover to cover. I like the plans on the Bible app or using Biblegateway.com, or you can go to the bookstore and their are several Bibles that will help you set goals for yourself and understand the Bible better. There are also different formats to read through the Bible. You can read it chronologically, or you can read it historically-which is when a Bible is formatted from the earliest writings to the most recent writings which may not always represent a chronological order of history. This is the best way you can learn what the Lord would have you say to your friends who are struggling to understand His purpose in their lives.

No I don't anymore, because I think the deeper that you get within a denomination today, the more the denomination will require that you convert people to the denomination whether they mean to or not; and the more the extra rule will affect the way you are able to witness to the lost. It is like you are always representing a denomination, then Christ. I don't feel comfortable with that. I also really don't like extra rules anymore. The older I get, the more I am able to understand the false teachings and rules that I was given as a child did more harm than good, and rules trigger me and make me feel like my skin in crawling. Some of this might still be irrational and I know this. But, I also know that I don't need to force myself to overcome the feeling to accept a rule I don't need to begin with. That is my take on denominations. I want to be a Christian. I don't want to be a Protestant, Baptist, Catholic, so forth.

I think this is the major problem as well. When I was saved my pastor bought me this teenage Bible. I don't even know what version it was, but it had a bunch of devotional that were centered for issues a teenager were have. I read through the whole thing. As a result of this, no one will ever be able to tell me that the Bible is not the word of God. No matter how often we have these Bible version discussions. When I got older and I moved away from home, I did go to another Baptist church that was KJV only for a time. My Sunday school teacher got me a Bible and I tried my best to read it because I did think it was important to have an accurate translation. I did read the websites where they compared the verses. But, after 6 months of doing this and feeling none of the same wonder or love that I did when I had read from the first teenage version, I threw that burden out the window. Since then, I have read several different versions, NASB, NIV, HCSB, ESV. But, the debate still bothers me because I personally do not like the KJV, but I also don't want to be reading something that isn't accurate. Then, when I learned that John Milton, who was a 17th century scholar, believed that there had been more attempts to degrade the accuracy of the New Testament than the Old Testament, a light bulb went off when I realized that it was the King James Version that created the perfect version theory. It is like the writers of the King James Version wanted to stuff a sock in everyone's mouths and get them to accept the KJV and stop whining about wanting a Bible. The King James Version is why there can be no further translating of the Bible, like a type of sorcery. He stopped critical discussions on improving the text with the many benefits that the modern age to improve our understanding of an accurate transcript. Obviously, we don't want to be improving a false epistle. However, this is not possible with the KJV only argument that was established by King James branding the Bible with his royal seal of approval. As a result of the inspiration from a brilliant man like Milton suggesting that we have the freedom to pursue taking our Bible to the next level of accuracy, I am follower of the new testament translations from the Aramaic more and more. Andrew Gabriel Roth does the best job of explaining the background to translating from Aramaic New Testament sources rather than Greek ones, but there are several people who are moving away from the King James only debate with the NIV, ESV, NASB, etc., altogether. So, that is my 2 cents on the subject.

I think this is a very good point. Sometimes, I find that I am even more offended by the posts of some people who have been posting in the thousands for several years because I know they have established some time here. I guess it is just wishful thinking that all Christians acted the same way that my sweet Sunday school teacher did when I growing up. I know one of the reasons that I am saved today is because that little women was praying for me for years no matter what I did. I miss that kind of thing a lot. I don't see that as much anymore. Sometimes, it upsets me but then I remember how effective what she did for me was and I would like to do the same for someone someday as well.

Sometimes I think the dictionary is overused in trying to understand scripture, which is why the most important aspect of scripture is being able to translate it in the present language so that you are not dependent on the dictionary. For every word, there is a most common definition. Like the word judge. Without context, the most common definition would relate to judging people more like the verse that tells us not to judge or we will be judged (Matthew 7:1). For example, "Don't judge me." However, "judge" can be a position in a courtroom and understanding that this is what the word is being used for is dependent on context. Therefore, the difference between cowardice and timidity is very small based on the context of how it is used in comparison with a positive character trait of power, and love, and discipline. So, timidity obviously takes on the negative component of the word, which does relate more specifically to personal interaction as a common definition within the modern English language; meaning, that it is more likely that the word timid or coward would be used to express fear within interpersonal relations rather saying they felt timid in high places. That could be more directly related this way, "they felt fear in high places." Therefore, the argument suggesting a dependency on a dictionary and the KJV is weak. Understanding scripture should not require a dictionary to further understand what we are being taught unless I were the actual person given the job of translating this verse from one language to the other in most cases. Otherwise, I don't need a dictionary. If I have to break out a dictionary to understand each and every verse, this hinders the capacity to understand context or even listen to the Holy Spirit who speaks through his anointed word, and not through a dictionary. I also think discipline is a improvement in updating the language from the former use of sound mind because in the modern world of psychiatry, when I think of sound mind, I think of the difference between a sane person and a crazy person. The more common modern definition of sound mind relates to treating mental illness. Maybe, when there was not a field of psychiatry hogging the words, sound mind in the 17th century might have more commonly meant: a person that was able to discipline themselves to work versus someone who was lazy or careless. The ESV also uses self-control; and both discipline and self-control relate better as action words in the modern world than sound mind. Hearing the word sound mind makes me feel like I am a spectator rather than an active participant in God's plan the way self-control or discipline does; and it is all because of the way that I commonly use these words in my life. Understanding the history of the change in translations is one thing. Requiring someone to use a dictionary to read the Bible is like tying a anchor to their leg and telling them to swim to the middle of the lake.