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Processing. Thank you for posting Joe!

What an amazing woman! May she be resting in the arms of her Father today!

Kimberly & Alberto Rivera Shane & Shane Kevin Prosch

Good word! Thanks for sharing!

There is no reason a pastor can't be restored just as much as the person sitting in the pew. What does scripture say? What are your thoughts on this?

Beautiful Shiloh!

This is something new?

It all looks pretty quiet over there Nebula. I'll turn the tv on and see if any of the news stations are saying anything about it.

Crazy!

Very moving!! Thanks for posting it.

Very cool...I'm going to send a link to daughter so she can share it with her kids.

Tigger you are forgiven! As far as confessing to the one's you lied to, I would say pray first; I don't believe that you have to "confess" to people every time. Do as the Lord lead's you. Forgiveness from Him is enough. I think there are time's we need to confess to other's and there are times not too. Use wisdom.

I don't see that. I don't see any dabate about wheather we should show sympathy or not, I don't even see a debate. How did you come to that conclusion? Did I miss something? When I read things like that we cannot be judgemental in regard to someone who molests his daughter, and trying to understand what is behind their actions, it seems like defending them to me. Don't even go there Butero! The question is why? Trying to figure out the way they think addresses that question. As far as murdering the girls...it was a selfish thing and he was only thinking of himself. I think I already did go there. Look at the way you are describing a murder. "it was a selfish thing and he was only thinking of himself." I would think you were speaking of someone who just took the last piece of cake, not someone who killed school girls. You do not know me nor do you know my heart. I think it was a horrid thing this person did and how dare you act like I am treating it like something commonplace. I am an advocate for children and you know nothing about me so keep your personal remarks to yourself. Why did he do what he did? That question will never be answered, only he and God know.

I don't see that. I don't see any dabate about wheather we should show sympathy or not, I don't even see a debate. How did you come to that conclusion? Did I miss something? When I read things like that we cannot be judgemental in regard to someone who molests his daughter, and trying to understand what is behind their actions, it seems like defending them to me. Don't even go there Butero! The question is why? Trying to figure out the way they think addresses that question. As far as murdering the girls...it was a selfish thing and he was only thinking of himself.

I don't see that. I don't see any dabate about wheather we should show sympathy or not, I don't even see a debate. How did you come to that conclusion? Did I miss something?

I agree. I'm sure they know it is wrong, that is why it is done in secret.

You would be surprised at how loving a father can be and still be molesting his daughter. I'm not saying that molesting is wrong or trying to defend him, but I DO know that father can still love his daughter but not know HOW to love her the right way. I would hardly call a man loving that would molest his daughter. You don't do something that will scar someone for life if you love them. What I mean is...a father can convince the world he is the best and be molesting his daughter in the next room. He may love his daughter but not know how to show it appropriatly. Some people are messed up ya know...they think sex=love. Far be it from me to judge his heart or feelings because I am not qualified. Bottom line...molesting is wrong, evil and sick and there needs to be much harsher punishment for the people who do this.

I couldn't agree with you more! Now a days a person who harm's an animal gets heavier sentencing than a molester. There is something wrong with this picture. My heart goes out to the families of those little girls. I think it is an awful thing and I will never understand it. It is an evil thing when people want to kill or hurt little children.

You would be surprised at how loving a father can be and still be molesting his daughter. If the daughter was molested (which I believe she probably was), I'm sure the mother had no clue. Pedofiles (sp?) will always come off as kind and "normal". It keeps them safe.

No...God is not upset just because that person didn't go up to the front of the church like everyone else.

Because I think smoking is not a sin doesn't mean I smoke. I think there is a large difference between condemnation and loving rebuke. I guess attitude is what makes all the difference. If you wish to justify what you do to your body by smoking cigarettes or have other habits that are proven to cause certain death...that is your business. And because I think drinking wine is not a sin does not mean I drink wine. tell me...when I say the things that I have said in this thread you make the judgement that what I am saying is condemning? How can you judge my heart? My intentions? My thoughts? Have you read everything that I have said in this thread? And if you did when did you consider that I was making judgement on others and not talking from experience and Truth? I read post #66 and understood your heart. I apologize. It is hard to know when you can't hear the inflection in a voice over the internet. I just feel that there are a lot of people out there that bring unecessary condemnation to people who are already feeling low about themselves because of something they may be doing. As recovered addicts we both know that self esteem is very low and self condemnation is very high when you are in bondage to something. We know we need to change it and people telling us we need to change it and calling us a sinner only adds to the pain. Please do not judge my heart, intentions and thoughts either. Just so you know...I was making a statement about condemnation and loving rebuke...I was not accusing you.

Because I think smoking is not a sin doesn't mean I smoke. I think there is a large difference between condemnation and loving rebuke. I guess attitude is what makes all the difference.

it would be hypocritical to judge anyone for anything if the person judging did those things as you mentioned and did them without regard to moderation. Sorry shiloh, but I am a recovered addict who knows...I have been there and done that..and I have even justified those things by the very words you just used. Some things in this world cannot be helped. We eat what is put in the grocery stores because that is what is available to us not everybody has a farm and not everybody can afford to eat the more expensive organic foods. We don't have to go to McDonald's..but an occasional cheese burger doesn't necessarily mean I am going to end up with heart disease nor does it mean I am signing my death warrant..certain things we do to our bodies does sign our death warrants and there is no question about it, if we do it we WILL die from it. If you wish to justify what you do to your body by smoking cigarettes or have other habits that are proven to cause certain death...that is your business. But please make sure that if you call a person a hypocrite that you are not doing it to help in the justification to your own personal life choices. #1. nobody should be judging in the first place. I am a recovering addict as well but that doesn't give me license to judge weather somebody is in sin or not because they happen to smoke. Like I said earlier...I don't believe smoking is a sin but if you were smoking 14 packs a day and couldn't go without, it is a sin...just like gluttony or any other thing done in excess. we as the body of Christ are to make righteous judgements on the actions of our brothers. If we see that our brothers are causing themselves harm by having an addiction of smoking or any other substance and do not try to help him then we too are unrighteous and might as well hold the cigarette to his lips while he takes the puff! Being in bondage is SIN...we all know this..again addiction is being in bondage...therefore addiction is sin. I would never tell someone who has an occasional glass of wine that they are alcoholics/in bondage/sinning...I would tell it to a very obvious alcoholic, however. Smoking is not a sin...bondage to smoking is. Drinking is not a sin...bondage to drinking is. Eating unhealthy is not a sin...bondage to excessive eating is. ANYTHING in excess is a sin; even T.V watching.

it would be hypocritical to judge anyone for anything if the person judging did those things as you mentioned and did them without regard to moderation. Sorry shiloh, but I am a recovered addict who knows...I have been there and done that..and I have even justified those things by the very words you just used. Some things in this world cannot be helped. We eat what is put in the grocery stores because that is what is available to us not everybody has a farm and not everybody can afford to eat the more expensive organic foods. We don't have to go to McDonald's..but an occasional cheese burger doesn't necessarily mean I am going to end up with heart disease nor does it mean I am signing my death warrant..certain things we do to our bodies does sign our death warrants and there is no question about it, if we do it we WILL die from it. If you wish to justify what you do to your body by smoking cigarettes or have other habits that are proven to cause certain death...that is your business. But please make sure that if you call a person a hypocrite that you are not doing it to help in the justification to your own personal life choices. #1. nobody should be judging in the first place. I am a recovering addict as well but that doesn't give me license to judge wheather somebody is in sin or not because they happen to smoke. Like I said earlier...I don't believe smoking is a sin but if you were smoking 14 packs a day and couldn't go without, it is a sin...just like gluttony or any other thing done in excess.

Amen Fiosh.