R. Hartono
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers 18%3A21-22&version=KJV
Tithe for offerings at Tabernacle was strictly for the Levit.
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/261275-the-greatest-scam-by-the-church-tithe/
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On 9/23/2023 at 10:07 AM, Revelation Man said:
Lets face it, we were all taught that the Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast will rule the whole world and that there will therefore be a One World Government (OWG) and a one world currency. After hearing two non believers (Joe Rogan and a guest) discuss the Mark of the Beast and how the digital currency is making Rev. 13 seam real (and they then read from Rev. 13 on air) and how this "whole OWG" could be feasible, I had a thought, why not do a thread explaining why this OWG can not be a factual understanding and giving a list of reasons why. I also want to use logic here guys. So lets take Jesus' Ministry on earth and look at what he did in this equation.
Jesus came only unto Israel, his Ministry lasted 3 years or so (Never thought about this until now, but the A.C. has a 3.5 years reign hmm) Jesus did not try to reach the whole world, he left that for his followers to accomplish. Reaching the whole world in his lifetime was just not a feasible plan. Likewise, the Anti-Christ has one job, unlike Jesus which was to become the Lamb for mankind's redemption, the A.C. one job is to make sure he can prove God to be in error, thus infallible, thus not "God" he tried this by changing mans DNA in Genesis, but God flooded the world and placed those demons in the pit. So, his next effort was to kill baby Jesus, he failed, but he succeeded in killing Jesus, not knowing he would be the Lamb of Redemption for mankind, if he had killed baby Jesus however there would have been no ministry, so he failed. Now his last hope is to kill off every Jew therefore there can be no Kingdom Age therefore God is a liar. So the big question is how can he best he best accomplish this? And that is what this thread is about, sorry about the long lead in.
Can the Anti-Christ be a world wide leader? Is that even feasible?
So, if a man wanted to kill off all of the Jews and Israel and blow up this end time Kingdom Age plan by God how would he go about that? Well imho, he needs to come up with a specific plan for that area of the world, not world dominance which avails nothing unto his A-1 job. If this man tries to rule the whole world he would fail, Jesus knew he needed to reach a few only. This man via Satan, understands he needs to rule an area that gives him access to Israel via a treaty with both them and the Mediterranean Sea Region(MSR) to accomplish this goal. Trying to rule China, Russia or the USA just adds nothing to the goal. By trying to rule the whole world he would only start mega wars, China has Nukes, Russia has Nukes, the USA has Nukes. Personally I think this is all misdirection by Satan. He will have a pinpointed plan to wipe out Israel, not a dynamic plan to try and create a OWG rule over the whole world, Satan already rules this world, having one man rule the world adds nothing to his goal of killing off all of the Jews. This would not profit Satan, he is already the god of this whole world, all it would do is start mega wars between mega powers, which would hinder the goal, the goal is to wipe out Israel and the Jews.
What would be the proper plan to pull off Satan's main goal?
So, if you want to wipe out Israel who has nukes you must get them to give up there nukes freely, thus you need a plan that brings a certain type of peace & trust, but also gives Israel assurances. So, you need to have a man in a Government in the Old World close to Israel, not in the New World, so lets discount that, the USA would not be in the plans of Satan here. It also would not be China, not close enough ties to Israel and they would never trust them anyway. Russia, Iran and Turkey are anti Israel so it would not be them. The only answer is the E.U. and Israel currently play their football (soccer) in the European Leagues. They have current agreements with the E.U. called the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) The E.U. also has agreements with every nation in the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR), all of North Africa and all of Israel's immediate neighbors.
So, why try to take over the whole world? This would make Israel wary of you instead of trust you and that would go against Satan's goal of gaining their trust. The best way to do this is to promise self autonomy while offering friendship and protection. The E.U. can say you will be independent and even allowed to leave the E.U., just like England did, come join us and we will protect you, they might give Israel's leaders an example of the way the USA protects modern day Hawaii in order to entice them, many modern liberal Israelis already want to be a part of the E.U. So, I think this Gog & Magog war is designed to drive Israel into the Anti-Christs arms. He not only does not need to rule the whole world to make this goal happen, trying to rule the whole world would hinder this goal. If you are in a war with Russia, China/North Korea or even the USA your real goal would be hindered massively !! So, this whole "He will rule the whole world", logically makes no sense, I do not think Satan, this super intelligent being, will go down that road. He will put forth the E.U. President/Leader, and he will get Israel to join the E.U. and to give up their Nukes while offering the peace of Statehood statis in the E.U. At that point his plan can go forward, once the DOTL arrives the coming Anti-Christ will be released by God to go forward conquering. His ruse has now caught Israel off guard, they will be in dire straights, but 2/3 of the Jews never see it coming, they are laughing at the 1/3 who turn to Jesus and flee Judea into the mountain terrains in Central & Southern Jordan (Petra/Bozrah) when this man forbids the Jesus Worship (Takes away The Sacrifice which is Jesus) and places an Image up in the Holy of Holies in the Temple.
Now, why is it that people wrongly think the Anti-Christ rules the whole world?
Daniel 2 & 7 and Rev. 13 are the main places that give us insight on this end time Beast and his rule. Lets look at a few verses in each chapter that most people seem to have misconstrued. In Dan. 2:36-37 we see Nebuchadnezzar was said to have ruled over any place where man lay his head. Then in verses 39 & 40 we see the Greece kingdom is said to rule over all the earth, and the Roman beast followed him.
Daniel 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth. 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
In Dan, 7 we see this dream as given unto Daniel instead of Nebuchadnezzar, instead of precious metals he sees these kingdoms as Beasts who dominate this particular region, Israel and the MSR. In verses 7-8 we get the Fourth Beast, in later verses we get the interpretation.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. 8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Above, this fourth beast is said to be different from all the others, but verse 3 says they were all diverse, so later on we are told by the angel why this beast's diverseness was so special. Verse 8 seems to end by saying this was a Man speaking great/evil things.
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast(the Angel explains in detail), which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth(Rome), which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise(Complete E.U. reunited): and another shall rise after them(He is born in Greece after the E.U. is formed); and he shall be diverse from the first(Rome), and he shall subdue three kings.
In verse 23 this Fourth Beast which has 10 horns and a Little Horn that arises out of his head, is said to conquer the whole earth/world. So Greece was supposed to conquer the whole earth, as is this Roman Fourth Beast's off spring the Little Horn. So, these verses have to be understood in the context they are being used in, and that context is these Beasts all arise out of the Sea (Mediterranean Great Sea) and thus rule over the MSR and Israel in each case. That limits this "earth area" or the landmass being spoken about to the 7 Heads and 10 Horns' area. That means the Egyptian Kingdom, Assyrian Empire, Babylonian Empire, Persia, Greek Empire, Roman Empire and the coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn's end time Kingdom. So, anytime this 7 Headed 10 Horned beast is mentioned it can only be about that region of the world, and the earth as mentioned simply means the land in that region, around the Mediterranean Sea Region. The Rev. 13 Beast is no different.
Rev. 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea(MSR), and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
So, people sees these scriptures in English and assume this means he rules over the whole earth, but neither Nebuchadnezzar/Babylon nor Greece ruled the whole world, they merely ruled the whole earth being spoken about, as will the end time Anti-Christ. The 7 Headed 10 Horned area in the MSR.
I see this end time Beast as a conglomerate of all these Beasts, Rev. 13 shows just this. He arose out of the Sea (MSR) and he also had features that show Greece, Babylon and Persia was a part of this figure or iron beast, he will rule in the Old World, from the E.U. This Beast System is a representation of the whole world in that this world is evil, and Satan is the god of this world, that s why judgment is coming.
Its not really a credible idea to think this man is going to rule the whole world. Too many nations have Nukes, China and Russia don't want to be a part of a OWG where one man is over them, its not going to happen, when people are shown this in stark narratives, they can sometimes see through the blind faith they have in this man being a OWG leader. The coup de gras to this kind of thinking can be seen in Daniel 11:40-43. We are shown who all he conquers, then told his end will come in Jerusalem. He conquers many nations to get at Israel, conquers Israel, and then all of North Africa. Verse 45 then says he comes to his end, no further conquering is mentioned in this play by play prophecy of the end time Anti-Christ.
The whole earth is in reference to the Landmass being spoken about in this 7 Headed 10 Horned region. Ever hear of the 10 Region fable people push? Why do they say this? Because they misinterpret the WHOLE EARTH verses as being the whole world, and not all the earth or whole land being spoken about in this region. Since Greece gives birth unto this end time Little Horn, they can conquer this whole earth area also, because no one but Rome conquered every square inch of the Mediterranean Sea Region.
Rome Conquered every square inch of the Mediterranean Seas Regions coastline
The E.U. when it goes forth conquering via the Beast in Dan. 11:40-43 will look exactly like the above map.
Did Greece ever conquer all this land? No, but the Anti-Christ is a Greek born man, so he will thus fulfill Dan. 11:40-43 and thus Alexanders four kings territory will also be a part of this end time conflict, he's even called the King of the North in Dan. 11:40 !!
Yes, Greece ruled a large landmass, but only half of the Mediterranean Sea Coastline Region. So, only the end time Anti-Christ can fulfill the Dan. 2:39 prophecy that says Greece will rule all the earth (Mediterranean Sea Region Coastline) for the Greek Beast prophecy.
Conquering the whole world just makes zero sense, this Little Horn/A.C. has one goal, kill off all of the Jews, the best way to accomplish this is via a close proximity relationship where Israel gains his trust to the point they are willing to give up their Nukes. Then his true plan will kick in, he will turn on Israel and the MSR, but that is all he needs to conquer in order to achieve his goals. In my opinion, the New World burns, that is the 1/3 of the Trees etc. that burns.
The seven headed beast refer to one kingdom, not different kingdom in history.
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1 Thessalonians 5:3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
That "peace and safety" mentioned by Paul refers to the situation in Israel specifically and other conflicting parts of the world which will be forced into peace deal by the 1st seal opening that launch antichrist to conquer the world with fake and short peace.
In April 2020 i dreamed of a heavily pregnant ugly old woman dress in black and this was not looked like an ordinary dream.
So i study the Bible and found what Paul refer to as a sudden birth pangs. I believe the ugly old woman speaks about this old ugly unGodly world and the heavy pregnancy speaks about the sudden labour pains which is getting closer and will strike sooner or later.
Things in this world are getting worst since 2020, Pandemic, deaths, lockdown, many businesses have been shut down, unemployments, millions people are desperate squeezed by wicked online money lenders, wars, droughts, flood, earthquake becomes more horrible.
But as Paul said if we dont live in ignorance we won't be surprised like the rest of the world.
4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.
I believe this is the warning from Elohim to let us be aware of this present situation of the world. This old world is heavily pregnant now and its going nowhere and its going down with destruction of this Old World Order into their socalled the Great Reset. When the birth pangs strike this present world will look like a picnic that never returns.
Maranatha
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1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:
Shalom, R. Hartono.
What do you suppose the parable of the ten virgins is about?
The foolish virgins asked the wise to share their oil. What does it mean to share the oil ? Oil speaks about Holy Spirit guidance and it cannot be given to others.
So what does it mean to ask the oil ? this means that the foolish virgins think their existence at the church and their connections with Christians can bring them the Salvation of heaven. But they will be dissapointed at the Day of the Lord.
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On 4/16/2021 at 8:57 PM, iamlamad said:
Posttribbers who imagine they will live through those days are ignoring the scripture that tells them they will be overcome.
Yeah, Bible says foolish virgins shall be left.
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3 hours ago, George said:
Secondly, didn't God stop Hitler and Hiroshito using the allied armies?
Thanks George, but why after 200 Millions death in misery of WW2 ?
I think we can see the answer in the history, Jesus prophesied destruction of Jerusalem because the Hebrew did not get right with God. And it happened at 70AD with destruction of Jerusalem and annihilation of the Hebrew by the Roman.
The same things will always happen to other nations who do not get right with God like those Hebrew.
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On 8/17/2023 at 9:23 PM, Who me said:
the problem is people.e today are not looking for God and don't recognise his acts.
I guess that answered my question. The same reason why God allow destruction of Jerusalem and annihilation of the Hebrew by the Roman at 70 AD. They didn't get right with God at the first place.
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On 11/10/2021 at 5:03 AM, FortifiedbyFaith said:
On the abomination part?
Look at the destruction caused/advented/springboarded by a virus in the world and the “cure” as in the Amplified version of 9:27 ‘“And he will enter into a binding and irrevocable covenant with the many for one week (seven years), but in the middle of the week he will stop the sacrifice and grain offering [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until the complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who causes the horror.” See the wing? There is one above the pole the two snakes (the abominations) are twined about in the american medical symbol. The one who makes desolate? It’s the one who pollutes the individual temples of humanity. GOD said HE was a jealous GOD and would not share. HE will vacate - to make desolate of HIMSELF. Perhaps the covenant of many is the agreement signed by those taking the vax. A physical way of a handshake by now over 6 billion souls. Committing by choice of their own minds and sealing the deal by signing off on the paperwork to have it administered. Jesus did say HE would have to return early or there would be no man left alive (could be not literally alive, but rather not dead to HIM by being polluted).
NO WHERE that I have found does it say the covenant for one week has to be a peace deal. It could be global reset plan in action and this is the crowd control part of it. If you stop and think about it outside of 5 country leaders (now all dead) the entire world leadership agreed to this. And shoveled it down the throats of those underneath them through lies, slight of hand, intimidation, bribery, and even force. Some countries have no buy/no sell already enforced - I have an acquaintance I have known for some time living in one and basically underground already. It is a matter of time it is world wide and forced. Remember it says “causeth” to take the mark and worship the beast. That means force. Those cheerfully misguided who eagerly rah-rah this vax are the worshippers. Don’t bother trying to tell the unpolluted they are wrong. We are the remnant. We see the truth and hear the confirmation by the Holy Spirit.
Imho the covenant with many prophesied in the Book of Daniel is specifically for the Hebrew. So its not about global Vaccination.
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The beast in the Bible always refer to a kingdom. The Book of Daniel shows there would rise 4 BEASTS that persecute the Hebrew.
https://readingthebible2020.wordpress.com/2020/09/16/daniel-7-9/.
The most horrible 4th Beast of Daniel has shown its bloody attitude in history such as the bloody persecution by Roman Emperors :
https://ahnsahnghong.com/en/church-of-god/persecution-in-the-roman-empire/
Which then continued again with the bloody Inquisition by the RCC for 1260 years, from AD 538 (Justinian Decree) unti 1798 when Napoleon sent general Berthier to arrest Pope.
https://www.remnantofgod.org/littlehorn.htm
But you see as the 4th beast of Rome was prophesied as the final beast by the Book of Daniel, the RCC was officially reestablished as a nation at 1929 by the Lateran Treaty.
No other Beast is seen in Bible prophecy after the 4th one.
And history of the 4th Beast atrocities may repeat itself, like the colonization of Israel from 63 BC - 135 CE, and the destruction of Jerusalem and annihilation of Hebrew at 70AD by the Roman. Exactly as warned by Daniel.
Because apostle John Saw the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13, the same 4th Beast with different figures and given power over nations tribes and tongues (the time of Jacob trouble). The leopard, bear and lion attributes in Rev.13 showed the previous 3 beasts that replaced by the 4th beast.
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All this persecution will peak in global martyrdom of Christians and destruction of churches at the 5th seal opening in the first half of great tribulation.
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As in the days of Noah and Lot, when God wipe off mankind with flood and nuked Sodom to dust.
God has prepared the destruction of this present world by 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials ready for global annihilation. Waiting for the hammer to fall.
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On 9/4/2023 at 11:46 PM, Stan Murff said:
OK, so here's a good topic we can all argue over... er, I mean discuss!
WHERE does the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place?
On earth, or in Heaven?Revelation 19 explains in heaven
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13 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:
I believe it is the churches in Israel that flee to the wilderness for 1260 days while the two witnesses are tormenting people.
I believe the messianic Jews remain in Israel with the dragon and are persecuted for a time,times and a half.Most of them will probably be murdered for their testimony of Jesus.
Imho The woman of Rev 12 is not the church as i have written :
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/227900-woman-of-revelation-12/
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20 hours ago, Stan Murff said:
As though it weren't already available to be launched on a moments notice anyway! LoL!
This makes for some good click bait to get more views to one's channelWill God let nuclear annihilation ?
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The Book of Daniel clearly mentioned only 4 BEAST and no other Beast after the 4th of Rome. The leopard, bear and lion indicated the former 3 beasts replaced by the Roman.
https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/229443-did-gabriel-prophesy-where-the-antichrist-will-come-from/