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Did Gabriel prophesy where the antichrist will come from ?

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Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,

Verse 26 and 27 are actually separated by 2000 years

Verse 26 : the crucifixion of Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem.

Verse 27: the 7 years Peace Deal between Israel-enemies (Arabs) which has never happened since Daniel's time until now.

Look at the word "he" shall confirm the covenant, who is "he" ? "he" is the prince whose people destroyed the city and the Temple in Jerusalem 2000 years ago.

Which people has destroyed the city and the Temple ? the Roman.

So Gabriel gave us a very important clue as to where does this prince will come from. "he" will come from the Roman.

Daniel has also received dream regarding the four beast that will affect the life of the Jews till the end of times, the four beasts are

Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece and Rome, so the final beast will be coming from the Roman empire reinstituted.

 

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Only the first three are named. The fourth is not. The fourth is one kingdom that comes twice, with a difference in the second iteration. Islam fits this as we can see in current events. Rome is dead never to rise again.

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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Only the first three are named. The fourth is not. The fourth is one kingdom that comes twice, with a difference in the second iteration. Islam fits this as we can see in current events. Rome is dead never to rise again.

I have written about that here :

 

 

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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Only the first three are named. The fourth is not. The fourth is one kingdom that comes twice, with a difference in the second iteration. Islam fits this as we can see in current events. Rome is dead never to rise again.

does it have to rise in the same location?

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2 hours ago, other one said:

does it have to rise in the same location?

Referring to Rome? How would we know it was Rome if not?

Did Israel rise again in Uzbekistan? 

If it could rise anywhere then a revived Roman empire could be claimed in any locale.

The preponderance of evidence points to the Seleucid empire of Mesopotamia wherein the beast emerges.

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8 hours ago, Diaste said:

Referring to Rome? How would we know it was Rome if not?

Did Israel rise again in Uzbekistan? 

If it could rise anywhere then a revived Roman empire could be claimed in any locale.

The preponderance of evidence points to the Seleucid empire of Mesopotamia wherein the beast emerges.

you should study the beginnings and history of Washington DC

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The Antichrist was born in Iran, educated in the U.S. and now headquartered in the Chinese district in London awaiting his invitation to rule the world. We need prophecy to understand the significance of today's events, but it is no longer necessary to use prophecy in narrating the circumstances.

For the Antichrist life history see: http: //www. maitreya. org/files/Other/became-m.htm

For the Antichrist genealogy see: http://www. maitreya. org/english/genealogy.htm

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45 minutes ago, other one said:

you should study the beginnings and history of Washington DC

Perhaps I should. Is it relevant?

What of Nazi Germany? A major Roman symbol in the eagle.

Scripture will always be the source for prophecy and the clues to it's fulfillment. End of the age prophecy in particular is Israel-centric. I have seen nothing so far to convince me otherwise.

 

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12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

I have written about that here :

 

 

I have heard this several times over the years.

If the second beast rules the earth, then why is the world stunned in amazement at the first beast, and worshiping the first beast? 

This whole thing is a parallel to Joseph and Pharaoh. Joseph exercised all the power of Pharaoh, but did not rule Egypt, Pharaoh did. To wit:

“I hereby put you in charge of the whole land of Egypt.”  Then Pharaoh took his signet ring from his finger and put it on Joseph’s finger. He dressed him in robes of fine linen and put a gold chain around his neck.  He had him ride in a chariot as his second-in-command, and people shouted before him, “Make way!”Thus he put him in charge of the whole land of Egypt. Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, “I am Pharaoh, but without your word no one will lift hand or foot in all Egypt.Gen 41

The same thing is happening at the end with the beast and the false prophet.

Another parallel:

"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church," Eph 1

" Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him" 1 Cor 15

So...No. The second beast is second in command with all the authority of the first beast; without the first beast the second beast has no authority.

And if the second beast was the one in charge why would he cause the world to worship the first beast, make an image to the beast and take the mark of the first beast? The second beast is only doing those things which the first beast commanded him. In fact the second beast only has power in the sight of the first beast, meaning, I suppose, "as it seems right to the first beast to allow the second beast power", I don't see this as physical sight, as in 'within eyesight'.

The beast commands, the false prophet carries out the commands. And the authority here goes back to Satan. It's really the Fallen One that's commanding, he's the true ruler when God allows all this to occur, so fundamentally neither the beast or the false prophet are ruling anything; they are implementing the plan and will of Satan; who in turn is a cog in the wheel of our Father's vast plan.

It's kinda great to know this is all God's plan! Don't ya think? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Diaste said:

This whole thing is a parallel to Joseph and Pharaoh. Joseph exercised all the power of Pharaoh, but did not rule Egypt, Pharaoh did. To wit:

 

You have explained it much better than me.

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