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  1. Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. (uncovering someone's nakedness in the Hebrew means to have sex with their wife Leviticus 18:5-8 ) Keep in mind this states that Ham saw this, not that he did the uncovering which suggests he might have seen someone who was "uncovering" Noah's wife. K&D The laws against incest are introduced in Lev_18:6 with the general prohibition, descriptive of the nature of this sin, “None of you shall approach to any flesh of his flesh, to uncover nakedness.” The difference between flesh, and flesh, is involved in obscurity, as both words are used in connection with edible flesh (see the Lexicons). “Flesh of his flesh” is a flesh that is of his own flesh, belongs to the same flesh as himself (Gen_2:24), and is applied to a blood-relation, blood-relationship being called (or flesh-kindred) in Hebrew (Lev_18:17). Sexual intercourse is called uncovering the nakedness of another (Eze_16:36; Eze_23:18). The prohibition relates to both married and unmarried intercourse, though the reference is chiefly to the former (see Lev_18:18; Lev_20:14, Lev_20:17, Lev_20:21). Intercourse is forbidden (1) with a mother, (2) with a step-mother, (3) with a sister or half-sister, (4) with a granddaughter, the daughter of either son or daughter, (5) with the daughter of a step-mother, (6) with an aunt, the sister of either father or mother, (7) with the wife of an uncle on the father's side, (8) with a daughter-in-law, (9) with a sister-in-law, or brother's wife, (10) with a woman and her daughter, or a woman and her granddaughter, and (11) with two sisters at the same time. Now, if Ham secretly had sex with his own mom, he wouldnt go and tell his brothers about it right? "Hey guess what, I just had sex with Mom!" I mean, either Ham is utterly retarded and SICK or we are blaming him for a sexual crime he never committed. See, it is written that Ham only SAW the nakedness...not that he did the uncovering so it is likely someone else uncovered it especially since Ham told his brothers what he has found. That's a BIG difference. Ham was the first to discover the crime! Genesis 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. Heres the key. When this says "his younger son" we have to figure out what Noah meant. The word "younger" really means the youngest here. Genesis 42:32 We be twelve brethren, sons of our father; one is not, and the youngest is this day with our father in the land of Canaan. Anytime there are more than two, the word means the youngest else there would be no way to tell which was meant especially if the speaker is the father as all his children would be "younger" than he is. Noahs youngest son is Japheth and Japheth didnt even see the nakedness but helped to cover it back up so it couldnt be him. The companion bible makes an error and says that Shem is the youngest but again he isnt guilty of anything either. And Ham is the middle son and was the one who first reported the "crime" so it wasnt him. but what if Noah said "his younger son" and meant Hams youngest son? Or even his youngest grandson as the Hebrew makes no distinction between son and grandson. Genesis 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what HAMS YOUNGEST son had done unto him. or it can be translated this way: Genesis 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his [youngest] [grand]son had done unto him. Hams youngest son and Noahs youngest grandson is Canaan...the same Canaan we were told two strange times that Ham was the father of! Genesis 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. This is why Noah cursed Canaan and not Ham because Canaan was the guilty one!
  2. Canaan was the guilty person. Ham only discovered what had happened. He was not part of the actual crime/sin.
  3. No punishment was inflicted upon Ham. Only Canaan was punished.
  4. I wonder why this guy was at her house in the first place.
  5. Cut it I half and count the rings...that's how old the Earth is, count the number for it is the number of a planet.
  6. The ten commandments went away too but indeed the moral ones of the ten were carried over into the law of Christ and is naturally written upon our hearts but the original set in stone are addressed here: 2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: That's the ten commandments.
  7. Seems people don't really understand what meat is. Meat is the muscle tissue of an animal, whether fish or land animals...meat is still meat.
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    Just joined today also.
  9. ewq1938


    Just figured out there is a min posting requirement before you can post elsewhere so saying hi here.
  10. Just joined but looks like I have no ability to post or reply except here. Waiting period?
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