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God is Love (1 John 4:8 & 16). So to call out to the Lords name is to call out for Love. 1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Congrats, and keep on overcoming the flesh, just as those in Revelation 2 & 3 who shall overcome this worlds passions and will inherit all.

While I agree with you Luther that Satan cannot affect the Lords Salvation plan for those who believe in Him; this, however, does not mean that Satan is currently bound/chained to the bottomless pit. Satan, the fallen star/angel of the bottomless pit (the destroyer) will be bound to rectifying the damage done through the opening of the bottomless pit, after it has been opened, from which the beast shall rise; and ultimately after the beast and its one world order system collapses.

You are changing and limiting Gods Word by claiming the termination of Satan's deceiving of the world applies to only one specific purpose--Satan deceiving the nations to battle. As the Lord does not specify a specific solo purpose in Satan deceiving of the nations, while 2 Corinthians 11:14 indicates a total deception of the nations by Satan and his false luminaries; I will then stick to the multiple scriptures I have posted proving my perspectives.

Why do you think the faithless worlds masses will be in gross darkness in the future, if the god of the faithless-- Satan currently is able to keep the faithless falsely illumined? (Isaiah 60:2) Who do you think it is who is disguising himself as an angel of Gods true illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14), if he has no illumination from God to masquerade? Isaiah 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The way the Lord saw not one stone atop another in Jerusalem at some point in the future, so too did the Lord see Satan fall like lightning (Luke 10:18), to come at some time in the future. This is the same angel (the fallen star) that John saw fall to the earth, who was given the key to the bottomless pit. Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Revelation 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

If Satan was presently bound from deceiving the nations; the worlds nations would now be in peace, and not in the chaos we now see them in.

Apollyon/Absalom who is the destroyer, is the fallen star who is given the key to the bottomless pit, through which the beast rises from (Revelation 17:8). This bottomless pit is another description for the sea from which the beast will rise from with the power the dragon, a.k.a. the Devil will give to the beast (Revelation 13:2). Put these data in scriptures together and we see that the key the destroyer Absalom/Apollyon is provided, is the power that the dragon Satan provides the beast causing its rise amongst the worlds nations. Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Before we get to the end of this age under Satan, the seven plagues in Revelation 8 onward have to occur. According to Revelation 9:20, these plagues due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce, today are primarily produced by fossil fuel burning industries. As we are now ever increasing our use of fossil fuels, and thus approaching the 1/3 destruction of our environmental resources described in Revelation 8; when we reach this level of destruction, the star/angel Absalom/Apollyon, whose name means "the destroyer" shall then be given the key to access the bottomless less pit of power. As the power from the bottomless pit will cause the rise of the beast (Revelation 17:8); we then see the bottomless pit as another description for the sea in Revelation 13:1 from which the beast shall rise, that shall have the world worshipping both the beast, and the dragon for having provided mankind with this power (Revelation 13:4). This power is fusion; the same power that powers the stars. Deuterium, are hydrogen isotopes that the seas have a virtual bottomless pit of, thereby providing industry a virtual unlimited amount of energy in order to produce all the material goods (idols), mankind is enamored with having. Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

truth7t7, Have we seen the results in Revelation 8, where due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce (Revelation 9:20), 1/3 of earth's environmental resources have been destroyed? No, we have not. And until we reach this level of environmental destruction, the fallen star Apollyon/Absalom "the destroyer", a.k.a. Satan, currently still has access to the Lords illumination, until he is cast out (Revelation 12:9), at which time, he will realize that without the Lords illumination in heaven, his time deceiving the nations is short (Revelation 12:12). Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

The bottomless pit that is opened in Revelation 9 by the fallen angel Apollyon/Absalom whose name translates to "the destroyer", is another description for the dragon, Satan who gives his power (derived from the bottomless pit) to the beast, causing its rise from the sea. This power that will cause the beast to rise amongst all the worlds nations who shall then worship the dragon and the beast for having accessed this power, has yet to appear. The dragon has therefore yet to be chained to his actions resulting from having opened the bottomless pit.

I also believe the earth will be totally consumed by fire. And according to Revelation 20:2-3, this happens after the dragon who has been chained for the prior millennium (after his having opened the bottomless pit), is then released. Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

I do believe the resurrection arrives when the Lord returns. And as I stated previously with 1 Jude 14-15 and Enoch I:9; when the Lord returns, He does so with the saints who have been martyred over the last couple of millennia.

Maybe Paul was speaking of himself in the third person, but if he was, why would he say he was unsure whether the individual caught up to heaven was in the body or in the spirit? I therefore more lean towards it being another saint other than Paul. As for who I classify as a saint; I believe saints to be those who are they who solely trust in the the Lord for their sustenance, clothing, and other life necessities', as the Lord describes, not to concern oneself for these things to they who follow Him. I do not meet this criteria, and I think very few people today, if any meet this criteria. Look at Peter in Acts 3:6, who stated to the lame beggar that he had neither gold nor silver. Being a chief apostle, Peter could easily have had some gold or silver had he so wanted, but instead chose to follow the Lords commandment to carry no money. Total believers in the Lord are Saints will believe wholeheartedly in the Lord, and therefore also do the miracles that Jesus did according to the Lord (John 14:12), and as did Peter in Acts 3:7. Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Acts 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

As you, I also have never been taken up in the Spirit (yet). My perspective is that the individual in 2 Corinthians 12 who related his experience to Paul, and the man child in Revelation 12, appear to be saints, who do not rely on the current world governments under Satan for their sustenance. I would therefore be somewhat suspect of they who claim to have been caught up spiritually to God, but whose interests remain centered on earthly desires. Many of these individuals are frauds, as were many during the days of the Apostles.