Alive

For those interested in such and much more of the history of the church. At a departure point in history; mainly the smaller groups of believers that desired to adhere to the NT Church traditions and carry the banner for the Lord, so to speak--all through history. And an amazing story it is. "Torch of the Testimony" John W. Kennedy https://www.amazon.com/Torch-Testimony-John-W-Kennedy/dp/094023212X

Its sad, but nothing new. A study of the various (whole bunch) of the gnostic groups that sprang up starting at around 70 AD and for a couple hundred years would make most people cringe. Some real doozies had rather large followings. Studying such is a great help in recognizing all kinds of heretical doctrines and their respective beginnings.

Other than the somewhat confusing at times chronologies of the end time as discussed over scripture----this is all I know from the Lord. He has never had me focus on prophecy. I believe because of this dream and a couple others that He sends dreams in these times for faith building and edification. This dream hadn't never been shared with the Church wholesale, but was shared within the context of a ‘home church’ body of believers at the time of the dream and then as will become obvious, several years later. The dream was one of those that is as clear as a bell and obvious to the dreamer that it was the Lord. I do hope and pray, it will be edifying. Please understand that the Lord was careful to adhere to His admonition regarding the time is known only to the Father—and He ain’t tellin. The dream came in two parts and was given back in the late 80’s. First part: I saw an airliner about to crash into the tower at the precise angle. The airliner was similar to what we had then, but it was obvious in the dream that it was larger and more modern. That was the impression given in the dream. There were flames and smoke and a clear sense of the chaos that was to follow. Again—this was the clear sense communicated in the dream. The visual was amazingly precise and the picture in the dream precisely like what was shown on TV years later. Part two: The second part was like turning a page as though a second chapter. Many of us believers were gathered in a large room/building that was ‘well lit’. Again this was the strong impression given. A large room that was well lit. While we were all in this building I found caves beneath the building and came back up stairs and said, “there are caves beneath here where we can flee and be safe. Another brother said, “we should stay here, there are more yet to come”. As you can imagine, when 9/11 occurred there was much discussion. Conclusions were. A time of chaos would follow the event. Believers would be before the Lord and that there would be a tension between fleeing and waiting and trusting. This was a very powerful dream that the Lord sent. I have mentioned before, but I am convinced that the Lord gives dreams, visions, and specific direction for edification and faith building to either individuals or communities of believers—or both. He loves us and is gracious.

Young's Literal Translation Psa. 110:0 A Psalm of David. 1 The affirmation of Jehovah to my Lord: ‘Sit at My right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.’ From J,F,B Commentary The Lord said — literally, “A saying of the Lord,” (compare Psalms 36:1), a formula, used in prophetic or other solemn or express declarations. my Lord — That the Jews understood this term to denote the Messiah their traditions show, and Christ’s mode of arguing on such an assumption (Matthew 22:44) also proves. Sit . . . at my right hand — not only a mark of honor (1 Kings 2:19), but also implied participation of power (Psalms 45:9; Mark 16:19; Ephesians 1:20).

Ya--that's it. That poor guy that got left on the roof!

I do not believe there is any such thing as an atheist. Mankind is hardwired to know God exists. I do believe there is a strong spirit of antichrist and have seen it become more and more prevalent over the years.

I can't watch movies like the exorcist or any gory movies--never have been able to. My wife loves the old black and white holiday movies. One of her favorites is 'The Bishop's Wife'. I like the part where the old guy's sherry glass stays full....hillarious. The skating scene is great, too. We like that one with Tim Allen and whatshername where they were going to go on a cruise or something and then the daughter comes home. Dan Akroyd is in it. Funny stuff.

Nice speakers! Alive is acting like a cricket and in wonderment while reading you guys.

Perhaps you misunderstand me...perhaps not. I just mean to say that it is possible that the supernatural powers behind the prophesied events will take the outward form of 'natural' things. Or perhaps, mankind will indeed see as the prophet opened eyes to see the chariots that day. I suspect all of the events of the 7 years will appear to be 'natural' cause up until the 'Day of the Lord'--when He appears with a loud shout and a trumpet sounding. I believe we are best served to have our 'eyes fixed on Him' rather than imaginary distractions. Just my opinions...I claim nothing more.

Ah, yes. I see.

Yes---you are correct.

Full disclosure and a repeat. I just don't know, because I wasn't there. I have looked at evidence from the different natural and historical sciences regarding the young/old earth and the flood and for me its up in the air. I think the scriptural record leaves room in this and other things. All of these play second and third fiddle to the 'Life' within. I think we are all going to be quite surprised about a lot of things when we 'know as we have been known'. Of that much, I am certain. :-)

Yup--I thought it kinda funny that you last posted the picture at the same time that I first mentioned the 'containment' thing. Like minds, I guess. I had not seen that picture or have I read the stuff at that site. I have a vague recollection of some alternate theories I read years ago. I have no skin in this game. :-) Actually--I am wrong. I did look at that site some years ago. Is that Ken Hamm and the young earth folks?

Let's envision a cataclysmic event for moment. Let's say that where the Mediterranean Sea is now was once a large dry plain. Let us also say that Gibraltar busted open and the Atlantic Ocean began to create a massive waterfall and began to fill the Med Plain. How long would it take before the water found its natural level? Or let's say that the ice sheets melted and a big plug had existed that kept those waters back, such as exists in Iceland. The plug let's go and a massive flood from a local source (the north) and rushed toward the region of Mesopotamia. What would that look like and how would it meet all the criteria in the scriptural record?

Yup--I saw that. Please consider again everything I have written about this. "To fit all of what the record says" One of those 'items' is the amount of time it took for the waters to recede, this discounts a violent local event from a water source of any natural kind, which would simply flow away and find a level based on surrounding terrain.

Ararat and the region. Observe where Canaan is in relationship to the over all Middle East region.

Thank you, but I don't need to read any more than what you pasted. Three possibilities exist regarding the flood controversy: The entire globe was flooded. The description in the Bible is exaggerated or largely metaphorical The Lord contained the water by His own hand within a defined area. I may have missed one--my brain doesn't work like it used to. I don't know which of these is accurate. I wasn't there and I have no witness of the Holy Spirit within me one way or the other. A proactive statement as follows: Someone stated recently in one of these threads---"if you can't know all of it, how can you know any of it". To that I reply--"I know what the Lord has revealed to me personally of Life and His existence". In ways that are quite supernatural. :-) I am not arguing for any view point. I am only poking some holes in one of them. Please don't assume any more than the words I type. I do choose my words carefully.

Please read the last few of my posts.

Why what?

Friend, I recall that. Show me any place on earth geographically where this could happen. Look at the map of he region of Ararat, please and then explain how this could happen. It is inconceivable.

Science/natural laws, right? Water flows and seeks to find its own level and will continue to do so unless contained. God could have intervened. Otherwise, a regional flood that fits all the info in the record (scripture), could not have happened. Where is this wrong?

In this case, one doesn't necessarily mean the other. Just sayin'.

Thank you for a measured response. :-) To be clear, I wasn't pointing at you--only making a general observation. If any of our comments hit 'home', so to speak--it is the Lord who does the work.

Have you ever sat beside a bubbling brook on the edge of a wood?

Sure--in general what you say makes sense to me. My larger point regards a predilection for the supernatural that many have...I am not sure this is necessarily a healthy thing. Whenever I have known individuals that leaned that way--there was difficulty. This has been my experience. Others' may vary.