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Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gif Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gif Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gif Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. To me it seems the saved and unsaved are going about normal work, and suddenly one is taken - the other left. I think they are taken to "where the carcass is - there will the vultures be gathered together" It is not a good TAKEN

The "days of Noah" passage seems to be saying it will be "business as usual" in the day that Jesus comes back. That doesn't sound like "great tribulation - which has never been and will never be again".

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Happy Thanksgiving to all! I had nothing but a salad tonight so I can PIG OUT tomorrow.

Additions to Esther and Additions to Daniel. These are extant in Greek, but not in Hebrew or Aramaic. Esther is a book that in our versions common to ALL Christians, but contains extra stuff. Daniel has additions - parts that were only in Greek, whereas the rest of Daniel is in Hebrew or Aramaic. In the extra parts of Daniel - the Prophet Habakkuk brings food to Daniel while he's in the Lion's Den - but these events happen about a century after Habakkuk lived. Also. in this extra part, Daniel spends a whole week in the Den, whereas in the account more familiar - Daniel just spends one night. So I kind of dismiss the extra parts of Daniel.

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2Sa 6:6 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. 2Sa 6:7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.

The guy that reached out his hand to steady the Ark. ZAP!!!

some posts are way too long

Of course the 2 witnesses do not HAVE to be someone we already know - Enoch, Elijah are good guesses, and Moses is good too. No use to be dogmatic about it.

If you look at the MIRACLES that the 2 witnesses do - it looks more like Elijah and Moses. But the 2 witnesses are KILLED by the beast - and Moses has already died, his death is recorded in the Bible. Many early church fathers said the 2 witnesses were Elijah and Enoch - because they are two who did not die It is APPOINTED a man once to die - and judgement after that - not necessarily THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT - but merely KRISIS - judgement There will be a generation that DOES NOT DIE - regardless of being appointed to it -- we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. Moses and Elijah fit very well, and appeared together at Transfiguration

The nay-sayers (cessationists) seem to focus on all tongue-tawkin being like Acts 2 - failing to realize there are divers kinds of tongues further on in the New Testament I can barely grasp what all went on the one day on Solomon's Porch - much less all the different DIVERS kinds of tongues that occurred later. All of them will eventually CEASE - but that hasn't happenned yet

How much is miraculous HEARING and how much is miraculous SPEAKING? IT's BOTH until Peter begins his sermon - he obviously speaks in one language - but it is heard in many languages. I wish I had a movie of it. We have 120 people speaking in other tongues - are they inside, altogether - or are they outside at Solomon's Porch? At first - they are IN A HOUSE Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. So it starts out 120 people in a house, talking in tongues Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. or - as NLT has it - When they heard the loud noise, everyone came running, and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers. Are Andrew and Phillip speaking in Parthian - and Parthians clustered about them - as Bartholomew and John of Zebedee speaking in Cretian as Cretes gather round them? Many disciples speaking other languages, and it appears they are drunk. Peter stands up and says they are not drunk, and goes on to preach to 3000 Jews who miraculously hear him in their own language? It just boggles my mind. Acts 2 is just SOME of how Tongues occurs in different parts of the New Testament. 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

DeighAnn asked "Is there scripture where the 'tongues' being spoken was not someones actual language?" Do you mean was it always HUMAN languages which were spoken? I dunno. Paul writes "though I speak with the tongues of men and OF ANGELS" and some say that is hyperbole - but that doesn't mean ANGELIC LANGUAGES are ruled out. TONGUES OF ANGELS are a biblical reference.

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Mar 3:28 ¶ Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: https://www.blueletterbible.org/assets/images/copyChkboxOff.gif Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

"open canon" sigh. Who is accusing charismatics of THAT? And on what grounds? Whatta crock.

We must keep our thomahawks sharp as we take heretic-scalps - this board at Worthy is a very solid cite - there are some cites that are real "Heresy Hotels"... I don't think irony is lost here

Those "bad cynics"! I am sure glad we are superior to them!

So - many decades have gone by. I have been part of dozens of threads on Tongues and their alleged "ceasing". Not all Cessationists say that "the Perfect" was the finished Canon of Scripture, others have other goulash that they claim has happenned to cause the "ceasing" of tongues, prophecy and word of knowledge. Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

In college (many moons ago) I was a regular at THE SIGN OF THE FISH COFFEEHOUSE. The Director was Cessationist - at least 3 of us were charismatic. Before the Prayer Meeting, the Director was showing everyone his LEATHER BIBLE COVER - it was a grand thing, with three little belt-buckle thingies to keep it closed -- we all ooohed and ahhhed over it. The policy of the coffeehouse was that we would not push Baptism of the Holy Spirit/Tongues. The few charismatics among us had already given our word to abide by that, but that wasn't enough for the Director. He wanted us to admit that THE PERFECT had come, that Tongues had CEASED, etc. SO I was targeted by the Director in another one of the "Prefect has come" lectures - looking right at me he said "and what was it that came and caused Tongues and Prophecy to cease?" "THIS !!!!" he said - shoving his bible in my face... Rick, one of the other charismatices - immediately quipped "What ? Your Leather Bible Cover?" Rick, me and one other charismatic somehow made it upstairs to a sunday school room and just fell about the place laughing. We laughed til tears rolled down our cheeks and splashed onto our shirts. We were struggling to quit laughing - people would be coming in soon - we would welcome them and witness. We tried to straighten up - then someone would say "The Perfect!" or "LEATHER BIBLE COVER" and we would go down again. It was the hardest I ever laughed in my life.

OneLight - your chart looks good - but the characters are so little.

ζηλόω Transliteration zēloō (Key) Pronunciation dzay-lo'-o

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. In Paul's lifetime - he says COVET To prophesy (which is weird because we are generally supposed NOT To covet); and he says forbid not to speak with tongues - so apparently there were some already trying to forbid it... What does it mean - in Paul's day and in ours - to be a COVETER OF PROPHESYING and a FORBID NOTTER of speaking in Tongues?

1Co 10:25 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: