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For those hungry for some bread of life and perhaps a cool drink of living water...read on if you like. A five minute read...a lifetime of study... In brief...Paul addresses this plainly in 1st Corinthians 2...emphasis mine...“but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM." The words “eye, ear and heart of man” are reference to the “carnal fleshly man”...and men in this state cannot understand the realm of the Holy Spirit...where those who love God dwell. “For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.” For those who love God...which are filled with the Holy Spirit...we can learn “all that God has prepared for us” this has to do with His specific will for our lives...because He reveals them to us via His Spirit. Not only that...the “Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God!” The Holy Spirit searches “all things” including the “depths of God.” Now we are getting into the understanding of spiritual discernment. “For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.” Simple...a man’s spirit knows his thoughts...in like manner the Spirit of God knows the thoughts of God. “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God...” The spirit that is from the world is not able to connect with the Spirit of God. We who have the “Holy Spirit” living in our spirits...have the ability via “spiritual discernment” to access the thoughts of God so that we can “know and speak the will of God” for our lives...things He has hidden in Himself for us. “which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.” When we “think and speak” those things that we have received from our search...or discernment...of the depths of the Spirit of God...it is not applicable to mere human wisdom. No...it is our “spiritual discernment”...of that which “God has for us”...that is “revealed to or taught to us” by the Holy Spirit...as we seek Him for that which He has for us. Spiritual thoughts produce spiritual words and that constitutes a “spiritual or heavenly” language. “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.” Natural man is excluded from all understanding that comes from the realm of the Holy Spirit...though interestingly...they can read or hear the same words that are written or spoken in the heavenly or spiritual language...yet they are void its meanings...because they are “spiritually appraised.” Here is “discernment” in action...spiritual discernment of the Word of God reveals the will of God to His sons...not the world. The word “appraised” means to examine, discern or to judge. “But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.” Of course...his appraisal is based upon his spiritual discernment of the “mind and will of God” for his life on earth...and God is his judge in these matters. “For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.” Who can know the LORD's thoughts? We can...he told us that...who knows enough to teach Him?" well certainly not us...but we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ. The “mind of Christ” comes to us as the “Spirit of Truth”...the Holy Spirit. Now if we have the mind of Christ we really need to grow from an immature carnal mindset of the ole nature...increasingly into a mature spiritual mindset as presented in the “new nature.” We must grow from a carnal “worldly mindset”...to a mind of Christ...”Kingdom of God spiritual mindset” as a basis for our discernments and judgments in this life...which by the grace of God we will do. This is very closely tied to the “sixth of the six elementary doctrines or principals of Christ” found in Hebrews 6:1-2...”Eternal judgment.” Paul considered “eternal judgment” as a basic or elementary foundational principal for life in the spiritual kingdom of God on earth. In fact all six of them are considered basic...not unimportant...basic...in deed so much so that...our ability to embrace, learn and live by these six principals of Christ...is a prerequisite for God to permit us to grow and mature. Very few have seen these principals...less have apprehended them. I will not go into them now...but “eternal judgment” is at the heart of all "spiritual discernment"...it is living your life based upon the fruit of your “Spirit led” search of the "depths of the mind of God"...afforded only...to those in Christ. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @Saint_Dude...nice to "meet you"... “God never gives us discernment in order that we may criticize, but that we may intercede.” Oswald Chambers Then more people need to understand that this is based in much more that human emotion...lets consider the Greek definitions of both... Discernment – G1253 “diakrisis” understanding, distinguishing, act of judgment, in both a spiritual and moral context. It involves the capacity to evaluate and make judgments about what is true, right, or beneficial, particularly in matters of faith and practice. In the New Testament, it is often associated with spiritual discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit that enables believers to perceive and understand spiritual truths and to distinguish between spirits. - https://biblehub.com/greek/1253.htm Criticism – G2924 “kritikos” critical, able to judge or discern. Used to describe something that is capable of judging or discerning. It implies a sharpness or ability to evaluate and make distinctions. In the context of the New Testament, it is often associated with the discerning power of the Word of God. https://biblehub.com/greek/2924.htm In terms of actual root word definition from the Greek interpretation...the words are strikingly similar. This leads me to believe that it would be the motive or intention behind the act that would distinguish usage. It would appear that both “can be” done in love. It is not uncommon in the spiritual house to have to “confront” a family member...as I have done this I often encounter a response of “criticism” to my discernment. In other words I am approaching the issue well and good...however it is not initially received as loving discernment but rather criticism...you all know what I mean. And there is always the “wrong or critical” approach...I have done both. Discernment however is not simply a characteristic of the Holy Spirit...it is that...and perhaps more needs to be said about this. Lets look... True “spiritual discernment”...”spiritual judgment”...is available to all who have received the Holy Spirit...it goes with the “be transformed by the renewing of your mind” it has to do with how the sons of God move from a “carnal minded infantile judgment” [old nature]...increasingly to a “spiritually minded mature judgment” [new nature] as one grows and matures. We can look closer at this in the next post from Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians in the 2nd chapter. Tatwo...:)

The few...the many...Truth...deception...the narrow gate...the wide gate...true religion...false religion...committed faith...easy faith...striving to enter in...misled thinking they will enter in... Yes...I get your picture @bdavidc...clearly you are referencing false religion here and I agree...what do you do about these things? How do you reveal “Truth” to those who are misled? Here you have correctly discerned the situation...it seems to me however that to merely discern a situation absent any remediation (unless it is forthcoming) is really only addressing a "part of the challenge"...right? Is knowing a "thing" all there is to it? It is the first step to be sure friend...what's the prophetic vision for both the demonically inspired misled...and...the Spirit led? Can you see it in the scriptures? For the misled...the next step is likely the apostasy...for those mature in Christ the next step is what? True spiritual discernment reveals both the "good and the evil" and the subsequent exercising of the appropriate "response." Tatwo...:)

Greetings... It should be obvious that the world today is shaking...shaking in a manner that “I” have never experienced in my 65 years on this earth. This shaking is setting up to be a greater impact than World War II or anything since...as I see it...here’s why. Perhaps the reader has not yet experienced this shaking...if you have...you understand what I am saying. The Kingdom of God as is encountered in Christ...is a “continually increasing” invisible spiritual eternal reality....as we are told by Isaiah...“There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace.”1 John the Baptist mentions it similarly...“He must increase, but I must decrease.”2 And again it would appear that Daniel wrote of the matter of the increase of the Kingdom of God and His Christ as well...“But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.”3 Consider Luke’s words in chapter 1 of his letter...“He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.”4 You get it... There are more examples...but anyone who actually loves the Lord Yahshua and knows Him, already realizes this truth. His Kingdom has been and is increasing since it came to the earth in the Lord Yahshua Himself and...He mentioned this truth a number of times as recorded. What am I getting at...why did I even bother to post this to a forum? It is precisely this “continual increase” of the Kingdom of God that is producing the “shaking” of creation today. Perhaps we should consider what the effects of this “shaking” actually are...by Scriptural and prophetic definition. Matthew 24 and Mark 13 speak of Lord saying...“the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”5,6 Dr. Luke in the 21st chapter of his Gospel records the Lord in this way...“men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.”7 Here Luke includes a shaking upon the earth as well that will “deeply disturb humanity.” This is both a temporal shaking of earth and a spiritual shaking of the earth and heavens. Of course everyone is free to attach their own time frame as to when the shaking of the heavens and the earth is set to begin. I am not here to discuss that matter from any one perceived dogmatic view...no... I am simply attempting to point out the shaking currently underway, how it is playing out, and why. Some will see it and get it...others are blinded to it via deception. The purpose of the shaking of creation as we are told in Hebrews 12 is...“denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.”8 That which “cannot be shaken” is the Kingdom of God because it is eternal...and it is not possible for tribulation of any degree...”great or small”...to shake the Kingdom of God or His son...Christ. “We”...Christ...the glorious Head and radiant Body...also known as...the Son of the living God...and I am referencing specifically...those of us here on the earth today...have “received a kingdom which cannot be shaken.”8 Now if one does not know or believe this...I can completely understand one’s thoughts about leaving earth...prior to Christ having completed “His Fathers will” and thereby “accomplishing His works”9 here on the earth...which by the way was the “original intent” of God...in bringing creation forth to begin with. The “Son of God...Christ” can neither be threatened nor intimidated by anything in creation...meaning the heavens and earth...He is eternal. That which can be shaken is...anything that was created...seems to me that there would be a direct connection between that which cannot be shaken...and the eternal reality that is doing the shaking...hope I didn’t lose anyone there? If I did...just go back a re-read it if you like. God does not define death like the carnal, religious and immature do...I mean why would God have to remove His temple from the earth so that He won’t have to suffer...due to the shaking that He Himself is administering to His creation? That which cannot be shaken...is...the reality that is doing the shaking...right? That is why those who often talk about things like...“not having to go through the tribulation” and “not having to experience the wrath of God” by being taken off the earth...are being so presumptuous. The Son of God...Christ...is strengthened in tribulation...even unto the death of the flesh. Similarly how could the Body in which the actual presence of the Spirit of the eternal God dwells...in any way ever suffer the “wrath of God” that He is pouring out upon creation...that is just pure folly. So...back to the shaking...just one thing for now...the global economy has become utterly unstable at this time...increasingly so. The dragon is attempting to bring in a “new economic system” and all those who are assisting the dragon in bringing this forth today...believe that they are going to profit handsomely from the transition and then subsequently rule over it...and us...they may...but for a time. Like I always tell my family...I do not know if the effort will be successful or not...I doubt it...making sure not to forget the cascading of events that are dependent upon the current debt based economic system. However...whether they succeed or not...in either case...humanity...you and I...are going to be directly exposed to the judgment that will inspire the kings of the earth...whose “love of money” which known as the “root of all sorts of evil”10 as it plays out here in our lives. If...your identity is in your eternal God and Father...”His economy”...is abundantly available to you now...by faith. He will sustain you...though your flesh “may die” in the process. If you find yourself “shaking” immediately discern your spiritual proximity if you can...and make the faith based and obedient adjustments quickly...the darkness is increasing exactly as prophesied. Do not be deceived beloved of the King! Tatwo...:) End Notes: 1. Isaiah 9:6-7 NASB For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. (7) There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. 2. John 3:30-31 NASB "He must increase, but I must decrease. (31) "He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 3. Daniel 2:34-35 NASB "You continued looking until a stone was cut out without hands, and it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and crushed them. (35) "Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away so that not a trace of them was found. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. 4. Luke 1:32-33 NASB "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; (33) and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end." 5. Matthew 24:29 NASB "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 6. Mark 13:24-25 NASB "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, (25) AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 7. Luke 21:25-26 NASB "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, (26) men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 8. Hebrews 12:26-29 NASB And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, "YET ONCE MORE I WILL SHAKE NOT ONLY THE EARTH, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN." (27) This expression, "Yet once more," denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. (28) Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; (29) for our God is a consuming fire. 9. John 4:34 NASB Jesus *said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work. 10. 1st Timothy 6:10 NASB For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

This seems "So Big" right now...which I have learned is often a cover for something else that is taking place in a somewhat covert fashion. So @BibleStudent100 one might take a step back and look at a bigger picture. If you look at what is happening in the U.S. government all across the land...and I presume that you are...you will see that it has become a seething cauldron of iniquity. Look at the other governments of the world and you will see similar...things are changing rapidly and drastically on many fronts simultaneously...as it appears. None of this is going to bode well for the proletariat class. There is actually a race for AI dominance and among other things..."crypto and CBCD" looks to be a major focus for many reasons. The debt based system is under a heavy attack in what looks like an attempt to carry out a "controlled demolition" of the current economic system. Perhaps this "tariff" deal is a cog in the gears of the "New Normal 2.0." I realize that I did not address the "tariffs" directly BS100...and that was my intent. Tariffs will likely increase inflation here in the U.S. enabling a continual devaluation of the dollar. With the war drums beating as they are...military contractors and corporations are salivating over what looks to be another huge payday. As in the past...the Fed will significantly increase the money printing to "protect democracy" at all cost...this too will add to the inflationary impact upon the people. Some very powerful, wealthy, people who hold some of the highest positions in global government are trying to "end the old system to bring in the new one" as it would seem...if you will. Hope I have offered you some assistance. Tatwo...:)

Everything I post here is easily verifiable by a general search of the subject matter. The “church” merged with the “state” during the rule of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great in the early 4th century...thereby officially and successfully institutionalizing “Christianity.” Many Christians are aware of this but have not understood the prophetic significance of this bold political and demonic move. This is the nexus of “church and state”...which births forth the “institutional church” that is heavily influenced and maybe controlled by the state...and is not the temple of God...the Body of Christ at all...nor could it ever be. If one has some prophetic faith and the help of revelation from the Holy Spirit...one can see the emergence of "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" in this event...seriously. It doesn’t end there...though the Roman Empire began to fall in the late second century many historians say it was technically 476 AD when a “barbarian general named Odoacer” forced Romulus Augustus, to abdicate the throne. So the harlot church was put “on ice” if you will...yet she had a pulse. Then in late 800 AD Pope Leo III coroneted Charlemagne...as what many historians call the “First Holy Roman Emperor” in honor of Charlemagne’s defense and protection of Rome. So here you have a conquering military general as the highest ranking “official” in the church. It’s all a fascinating story that I am seriously abbreviating here. So again we see the “Babylonian harlot” being revived. What I am showing here is that when the Harlot “committed her acts of immorality” it was with the kings of the earth [Constantine and Charlemagne in my example] as we see historically recorded throughout the first and second millennium AD. The harlot then...is the “false church”...as I stated earlier...brought forth by the evil religious Babylonian spirit portraying itself as the Body of Christ...the pure church. So yes...initially...I am suggesting that the early Roman Church is the “false church” or as the scripture calls her...the “Mother of Harlots.” She is referenced as a “mother” because she has produced some “offspring”...this is important...more on that in a bit. I am defining the false church, harlot church, Babylon the great, as the nexus of the powerful ancient Babylonian spirit...dressed up as the Bride of Christ...who brings a compliant citizenry...to the kings of the earth in exchange for “exorbitant wealth and seat at the political and military table.” She can garner the support of a given states military...and has...I’ll give an example shortly. In this she becomes a powerful spiritual, military and political force...as well as one of the wealthiest entities on the earth. So now we may “begin” to understand her massive influence throughout the centuries. Now for a blatantly obvious modern day example of the “church state nexus” I will submit Russia. Russia has an estimated population of 150 million people...and the Russian Orthodox “church” in Russia is reported to have100 million members. Patriarch Kirill is a Russian Orthodox bishop and he is the human head of the “Russian Orthodox Church.” Now...Bishop Kirill is totally on board with President Vladimir Putin in so many ways...I think you can see where I am going here. In fact I will include a link to an article below...stating that Patriarch Kirill addresses the Russian military directly himself. This is an example of the “false Babylonian church” bringing a willing and compliant constituency to the political table in support for Russia’s war with Ukraine. They are 100,000,000 million members strong out of a population of 150,000,000 people in Russia...that...is a huge support for President Putin. Without going too deep here...and building upon what I have already “said”...the Russian Orthodox Church is a split from the Roman Catholic Church in and event known as “The Great Schism of 1054.” This would I would contend is merely one example for consideration...of “one” of Babylon the Greats...offspring. Moving forward...a couple of main identifiers of the offspring of the “Mother of Harlots” will be her seat at the political table in the courts of the kings of nations...while offering the kings of the nation’s...a “compliant people” [congregation or members] for the kings rule and support...coupled with her immense accumulation of wealth and influence...and all of this is carried out in an “institutional form” with its people knowingly or unknowingly required to support the kings of the earth. The institution with its corporate hierarchy is merely a spiritual emulation of the true Body of Christ which...is based in a “Father-Son” relationship. The institutional church has the state as is power verses the Holy Spirit...and this is one of the primary answers behind your question...”Why are so many drawn to redefining Scripture?” I’ll stop here...I think my point is clear...hope it helps. I may do a bit on the Body of Christ as the “Father & Son” relationship...which is the model set forth in the book of Acts by the founding apostles. Tatwo...:) https://orthodoxtimes.com/patriarch-kirill-and-putin-exchange-congratulations-russia-cannot-be-defeated-by-external-forces/

Greetings @Indentured Servant I think you guys have had a decent conversation, you and @timf. It would seem to me that you “ID” and I have similar feelings on what you call...perhaps rhetorically call “Scriptural Purity.” Maybe I can shed a ray of light on the matter for you...but first a short story. Roughly 20 years ago I was in Springfield Mo. to help a brother and sister through a nasty divorce. I was told that Springfield was the “Buckle of the Bible Belt.” Lots of churches, several Christian colleges and just in general a large group of Christians living in that area...it really was a fantastic trip even though I could do nothing to help my beloved brother and sister. I am not one who can “see” in Scripture the “secret second coming of the Lord” known as the “pre-trib rapture”...for those who do...I say carry on...time will reveal the answer. So I go into the biggest Christian book store in Springfield and this after going to several others first. In all the book stores I would tell one of the attendants that I was looking for a book written about what I will call “post tribulation rapture.” In every case the attendants would search and search with no success on such a book. It was a little different in the last store...the biggest one. As I walked up to the first attendant I encountered in that store and inquired about such a book...here is what he said. “Oh no Sir...I don’t have to look for a book about post tribulation rapture...because that book would never sell around here...so we won’t carry it.” He proceeded to lead me to a surprisingly large section on the “pre-trib rapture.” Well I was not surprised...of course...the picture is clear...people won’t buy a book or go to a church for example...unless it generally “says” what they want to hear. Interestingly, I had a very verbose encounter with a demon possessed man in that store that day. This “small man” was screeching and yelling at me something about me being a “son of God”...he caused a major commotion in that store. My brother came over to see what was happening as this guy literally ran around the store screaming things about me. When my brother called my name from the opposite end of the row...I turned to look at him and there was a Catholic Nun who literally dropped to her knees right in front of me at my feet and began praying...my brother saw all of this. I urged the Nun to stop and helped her up and apologized for her discomfort...she simply blessed me, hugged me and walked away. I was fine...though this scenario was a first in my life...I had encountered many demons prior to that as a Chaplin in three prison camps in Southern California for 7 years. All of that to say...I feel your distain for preacher and teachers such as you list that you don’t feel are adequate or qualified to do what they are doing. I have seen demons in the pulpit...confronted them as necessary...and helped a number of brothers and sisters in deliverance of their own demons. The serpent’s first trick was to twist the words that God had given Adam and by extension Eve...you know the story...the dragon is the master at twisting the words of God. It and its subordinates are very influential in the “church” and have been for the last 1700 years. This is why you have encountered those things that you post. This post was a bit longer than I intended...normal...I plan to write more in regards to your op. Tatwo...:)

Thank you for the encouragement "ID" I have never been able to accept the "cessation perspective" and I have studied the most popular teachers. I came away from my research feeling like "Cessationism" is just a license for man to interpret the scriptures for themselves with no accountability to the Holy Spirit...and they do just that. That however really only leads to deception for them and whoever follows them...but its comfortable to the soul...because it makes man god. Consider that in the Garden of Eden...the serpent twisted what God had said and convinced Adam and Eve that they could be like God...so he's the best when it comes to that scheme. Tatwo...:)

Consider this...Revelation 19:10 NASB "Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he *said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." emphasis mine... Paul obviously did an in-depth teaching on the subject of "prophecy" in his letters...so nearly everything one would need to understand his position is covered there...along with the abundant and available support from the "Holy Spirit of Truth"...the subject matter can be known and understood. None the less as is with all scripture it requires revelation from the Spirit. Many believe that simply because they can read...that they understand the mind of God...this can never be...that is just pure human reasoning. The above quote from Revelation 19 is taken from a rather exciting scene which is yet "sometime in the future"...the luminary in that scene is of course Christ. The apostle John in this setting...which is quite amazing really...falls before "a fellow servant" and is quickly admonished by the servant not to do that...saying..."I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus." So he is a servant of John and his "brethren"...likely an angel...who rejects Johns adoration of him. He notes that John and his brethren [Body of Christ] "hold the testimony of Jesus"...this is reference to those who have the "Holy Spirit" which...we are taught in the Gospels and the epistles is the Spirit of the Lord Himself...of course. This "testimony," is a witness, evidence, or proof of the presence of the "living and alive" Lord Yahshua Himself...in His people...who worship Him. Then the "angel" says this..."For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" so the witness, evidence, or proof of the presence of the Lord Himself...the Holy Spirit...is "the spirit of prophecy." This just never seems to difficult really...if one has the Holy Spirit which is the proof of the presence of the Lord Yahshua..."you possess the spirit of prophecy." In part this is what Paul is referencing...first and foremost...we are to learn to love and then he encourages us to "desire gifts of the Spirit"...meaning that we are to actively and continually seek the Lord about our gifting's and graces that He gave us...so that we may live out our unique calling in God. His emphasis "but especially that you may prophesy" is delineating the fact that when one who "bears the testimony of Yahshua"...prophesy's...they are "establishing...first and foremost" the "presence of the Lord" which is important in that scenario and here's why. "But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation." This is what Paul wrote in 1st Corinthians 14:3 just two verses below your quoted verse. This is nothing less than absolute proof that the Lord of glory Himself...is...speaking, moving, touching, healing, edifying, exhorting, consoling, interacting, loving and generally dwelling among His people...in an "obvious and effectual" manner...through His Body. Now you may have a better idea about Paul's strong urge for his brothers and sisters to "prophesy!" So...any one who says these gifts are not for today...they ended some time ago, or that we don't need them today because the Scriptures have been completed...or for any reason really...they are openly denying the Lord Yahshua Christ before men. Tatwo...:)

Let’s define the word “will”...this is from biblehub.com Will - G2307 – “theléma” defined as “will, desire, purpose.” Usage: In the New Testament, theléma primarily refers to the will or desire of God, encompassing His sovereign plans and purposes. It can also denote human will or desire, though it is most often used in the context of divine will. The term emphasizes the intentional and purposeful nature of God's actions and commands. Cultural and Historical Background: In the Greco-Roman world, the concept of "will" was often associated with fate or destiny, but in the biblical context, theléma underscores a personal and relational God who actively engages with His creation. The Jewish understanding of God's will was deeply rooted in the Torah, where obedience to God's commandments was seen as aligning with His will. In the New Testament, the concept expands to include the revelation of God's will through Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Paul wrote in Philippians 2...[emphasis mine]“So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; (13) for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.” Philippians 2:12-13 NASB For the children and the mature sons of God...”God’s will”...is the “Fathers desire” at work in us which is why it is called...”God’s will.” It is made known to us by the Holy Spirit who indwells our human spirit. We are expected to individually pursue at all cost...to know and understand “God’s will” for our lives which is the purpose for which “He redeemed us.” This is what it means to be continually formed in the image of Christ. “He saves” us so that “He can redeem” us to “His will” for us. This is to develop “a close personal and loving relationship with our Spirit Father” so that we can learn of “His personal desire for us...directly from Him” and how He would desire for us to “live the life” He is revealing to us...as we grow and mature. In Ephesians 1 we are told...“He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, (6) to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. (7) In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace (8) which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight (9) He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him (10) with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him (11) also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, (12) to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory.” Ephesians 1:5-12 NASB I have one last passage of scripture to express my understanding of “What is God’s will?” And granted I am presenting my understanding in an elementary way versus an exhaustive deconstruction...let’s read this...“For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.” Ephesians 2:10 NASB In this we see an “echo” of Ephesians 1:11 “having been predestined according to His purpose...” The...“which God prepared beforehand”...is very likely referencing His desire for us from before creation was actually in place...He is eternal...He was before creation is. God has in “His will”...what Paul calls “good works” for each of us. And God has this expectation...for those who find Him...and desire to learn about “His will” for them...at all cost...to them...that they would walk out what it is that “God the Father has in His mind...for them." In this we learn to “surrender our will” Indentured Servant...as He shows us how to embrace and live out “His will” in our lives. It’s not a difficult subject really...but this should suffice for now let me know if you have any questions about what I have posted here. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @1to3... Just wanted to say that this post was a fantastic display of Holy Spirit inspired Word of God. It so convicted me...you said... "Already many claiming to be "christian" seem to fall easily for secular things and think its ok to incorporate them into their mind set without realizing the moral implications of their actions. This slowly numbs their conscious especially if not examined personally and repented from, and closes off the gift of Gods Mercy and Grace and to be able to access communion with the Holy Spirit of God who IS our guide, protector, healer." So well said...very powerful...thank you. Again...your message is very clear and correct...it's judgment friend...are you a prophet by chance you can PM me if I have made you uncomfortable with that question? You said..."The modifications are happening right now, before our eyes, and some think its great and are falling for these subtle modifications"...So true bro/sis...so true. And if one were to try to reveal in detail some of these modifications...there are a couple of "mine fields" that one must walk through. First...one must be very careful not to make things worse by calling out the certain individuals that are fully engaged in these "subtle modifications." If it were not for creativity and love...one could be castigated for revealing that which is true in these scenarios. So...in a very real sense...there is a sizeable constituency that does not want to hear things they do not understand or agree with...and there may be very little chance of open dialogue and constructive conversation with them. Secondly...what is happening right before our eyes...as you suggest...looks like "one thing" and in all actuality is nothing more that a "distraction" away from what is really happening. In my experience...many do not want to hear what is actually happening so they in fact cannot. This will not ultimately go well for the distracted and deceived. However...there are those of us who are in fact spiritually and perhaps physically preparing for what is soon to be revealed as a "New Way"...we are poised with the Love in which we were loved and will do all we can to assist brothers and sisters who did not prepare because they chose "flesh" over "Spirit." Thank you 1to3 Tatwo...:)

“Administered quickly”...consider this Dennis...the condition in which one is born from their biological mother...is in sin. At that point you are “separated from God”...hence the need for “salvation.” For those who “are not born again”...their fate is the condemnation of the devil because they cannot live in a way that will please God. Sort of a mark wouldn’t you say...I see it every day. Allow me to lay something out here...thank you. The “dragon’s beast” is controlled by the dragon who is an “evil spirit”...who then rules over other ranking “evil spirits” in their echelon. And from a “spiritual standpoint” these are “the rulers, powers and spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” they are invisible to the human eye. The beast by nature and character is a “spiritual creature” who will ultimately be in complete control of all the “physical temporal systems” [7] that humans depend upon for life. This control then is playing out on earth...via demonically enslaved evil human beings in service to Satan’s beast...while being completely under the influence of these evil demonic creatures via deception. This is where we see Paul’s idea of “the world forces of this darkness” get its definition...as the “world forces” is likely a reference to demonically inspired humans. My point...the dragon is an “invisible spiritual reality” and by extension via its beast...gains control of “all the kingdoms of the world.” Its control is gained through “spiritual deception”...this deception in regards to mankind happens in the “soulish mind” of humans...[think Eve]. “Your fine you won’t die...in fact you will become like God”...deception leading to rebellion and disobedience...leading to “death” known as “separation from God”...separated from God. Here’s how it works...for the carnal or spiritually unjustified...aka....the “worldly”...there is no chance of them...in that condition...of ever accurately discerning the delusion they are under. Thus they will go along as the slaves and orphans that they are...with what their god...the dragon “forces” them to do via its beast...and this...in utter disobedience and rebellion towards God...for this they will share in the condemnation of the devil. For the falsely religious...you have the apostasy...the falling away...this is a separating of the “false church” and the “Body of Christ.” The false church is deceived and worshipping a false god thinking that they are worshipping the Lord Yahshua...hence they too...are deceived in their “soulish minds.” In this state of apathy...they too are guilty of rebellion and disobedience toward God. In both cases...the “worldly and falsely religious” it’s their “deceived mindset”...in other words “how they think...their thought life” that is then “lived out...as their lives.” That is what will cause them to have to face the judgment of their rebellion and disobedience...as they are also “separated from God.” This deception is a...“mind set”...that the “deceived”...[worldly/religious]...live and operate by...typically having little or no thought of any type of “spiritual deception” taking place. It is the “evil thoughts” that guide “actions”...that “separate one from God.” This concept also applies to those who have been “sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads” and those “having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.” “Foreheads”...this is once again referencing ones “thoughts” or a "mindset” that has been renewed and transformed from the "world" to the "Kingdom of God." Paul talks in 2nd Corinthians 1 about God “sealing us by giving us the Holy Spirit as a pledge” and then in Ephesians 1...that we are “sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance.” Sealed in their “thinking and subsequent actions” so that in their direct relationship to the Lord they can grow and mature in their lifestyle of worship of Christ...obedient and faithful in their “divine calling”...which is pleasing and acceptable to God...as they...live eternally in Christ. These are the ones with the name of the Lord Yahshua and His Father written upon their forehead...this is a “mindset” that produces a life and lifestyle that is pleasing to God. This is a picture of the “Body of Christ” in which the Holy Spirit of the living God and Father of creation abides. Those with the “mindset of rebellion and disobedience” towards God [worship of the beast] are separated from God. Those with the “mindset” of obedience and acceptable worship and sacrifice to the Lord Yahshua Christ...are established in Christ...as opposed to those separated from Christ. So...where one’s “mindset” is “spiritually”...will determine their “lifestyle” i.e. how they live...whether disobedience and sin unto separation from God...or faith and obedience unto eternal life in Christ. In both cases...there is a "mark" involved...one unto death and one unto life as can be seen by how one lives. Tatwo...:)

Well...the “economy” of which you speak here Dennis...as you rightly say...is the economy of the “beast system.” For those who are the “earth dwellers”...in other words people dependent upon the beast for their sustenance...which they are because, they literally have no other option. This is extremely unfortunate because the devil is a liar and a deceiver...the dragon is never benevolent...”kill, steal and destroy.” It is not the same for those who are on the earth...but are considered “heaven dwellers”...those “in Christ” who are seated in the heavenlies...no. The Kingdom of God has its own government, its own administration and its own economy...and it’s abundant at that. Paul says in Ephesians 1 in reference to the Father speaking of the Body...”who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.” So for those who have been sealed with the Holy Spirit and have had the name of the Lord and His Father written upon their “foreheads”...the “dragons economy” simply will not suffice...in fact we won’t require anything of it...though we will be in proximity to it. For those who feel that the “sons of God” are not going to be fully cared for and more...fully empowered to deal with the “birth pangs” and any of the tribulation that has never before been...I say...oh ye of little faith. Look again...we are involved in the dispensing of the judgment of God...for all judgment has been give to the “Son”...Christ...with Yahshua as His head and those "in Christ" the Body...can appropriately be explained as "the Son of God"...He is eternal, He has every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places...He is upon the throne of God...what could possibly threaten Him? Certainly nothing in creation. “For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son” John 5:22 NASB Do not be deceived. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @Dennis1209... I would like to comment and share a thought or two... Interesting that someone with the Holy Spirit indwelling...would say something like this? This just doesn’t seem right Dennis...to say “No one knows with absolute certainty what the M.O.B. will be” is troublesome on two fronts. One...you make it sound like the Lord has not made it known to those to whom He chooses. Two...for those who do actually know what and when the “MOTB” is...you may be in danger of excluding them from being able to reveal it to you...via your "spoken" unbelief? Additionally...”but we can make educated guesses based on scripture.” This is never how scripture is revealed nor is it how it is interpreted? The failed and faithless reasoning of men can never produce the revelation required to know and understand what is in the mind of the Lord for oneself...let alone the knowledge and understanding of how the eschaton will rollout. May I suggest that they...“do not know”...they are marked by the dragon? Nor can they be told differently? This is the fruit of satanic deception...right? Tatwo...:)

Greetings @angels4u... That was a decent article...the subject is so vast and is appearing at what feels to most...like a very rapid pace. So to sit down and cover it at a high level is really the best way to do it. I don’t agree with everything that Patricia “says” in regards to AI and a Kingdom of God response...and that’s fine. I think that most who take the time to read this will come away with a better understanding of AI and its potential impact. Just to acquaint oneself with some of the terms that she used is also very helpful...there is a type of “AI language” that is spoken in the “AI world” and it is important for some of us to begin to learn to speak AI? One of the things I would add to the document is the concept of “AI as government” if you will...she hit AI in terms of a help to government...a tool to aid in governance...and those things are correct. To begin to understand “AI as government” one would have to dive into “Technocracy.” Technocracy is an administration of resources...natural and human, with a focus on efficiency. It is an ideology that operates as a...“Technate”...and is lead by scientists, engineers and corporate CEO’s...not politicians typically. Thank you angels4u! Tatwo...:)

Briefly...”does it relate to anything?”...the best word I have for you right here right now chirpy...is “efficiency”...think of how a large corporation runs. Chief Executive Officer and the board of directors beginning with the “Chairman of the Board” who is not always the CEO...leading the way. It is their responsibility to guide the “company” to profitability through successful strategic and tactical decisions...with a goal of "peak efficiency" in planning and execution which is normally directed by the CEO...so...it relates to “control.” Briefly...“how does it relate to anything?” Well theoretically “fifteen minute cities...freedom cities...Special Economic Zones...Network States”...were “countries” that are carved up and converted into “corporations”...if you will...at least that is in the planning. Then these newly formed “entities” are run like a corporation...for profit implementing control over its constituency and the local resources. Everybody works for the “company” type of idea...we will see...and there may be an attempt at this occurring right now...but time will serve the answer...and there is no guarantee that their plans will be successful. Still the attempt coupled with failure will also “leave a mark”...so to speak. The connection to the eschaton is along the lines of "the whole earth followed and worshipped the dragon and his beast." It currently is and will continue...moving to secure control over the "whole earth" chirpy. These “fifteen minute cities...freedom cities...Special Economic Zones...Network States” may be the plan or part of it. Additionally there is the economic shoe that is ready to drop which will add its own "seasoning" to the mix. It is a fascinating movement...it should be noted that it is being "funded and pushed" right now...by several of the most powerful and wealthy men and corporations on the earth as one reads this. Interestingly some of these people are in President Trump's cabinet and others are closely "tied" to the Trump administration...the names and who they are is all public information. It would seem that they are trying to put the pieces in place right now. Tatwo...:)

Greetings @chirpy... I waited to see if anyone here would take you up on your statement and subsequent question. You got a hundred or so looks...no takers. That’s largely due to the fact that most folks in most places have no idea what you are talking about. It is not a widely know subject at this point...in March of 2023 Donald Trump referenced something called “freedom cities - new cities” that can be “built” for the lack of a better term...on federally owned land. A search on the subject of “freedom cities” and you will be able to find a link to a YouTube video of Trumps brief presentation on the matter. That is not where the matter begins however...there are several and counting of these “freedom cities”...known by other names...Special Economic Zones [China globally] as you mentioned...already in existence around the world and the idea is gaining traction in increasing numbers around the world. It is now many years in the making. These things you have listed are not front page reading...but you know that already...you have been digging around outside the heavily censored Main Stream and it complicit Alternative Main Stream Medias. Even if it does appear MSM...it really only garners little attention...because few recognize the words, concepts and their connection to “Dark MAGA” known as “DOGE”...it is not obvious and they are not broadcasting it at this time. In terms of hunger games...there are similarities...I have been researching the SEZ’s by China and others since I first heard about them maybe 8-10 years ago. The MSM will say that there are no SEZ’s in the US...but there are...and they have been reported on over the years. Interestingly some of them are adjacent to U.S. Military Bases...in the US. China continues to “buy” land among other things here in the U.S. Americans don’t like to hear that...but they were not openly told this...and China holds billions of $$$ of American debt that they have been cashing in. The terms “fifteen minute cities...freedom cities...Special Economic Zones...Network States” and there are more names given to each variant of essentially the same thing...if this post stands...I will soon post a description that in general will give more definition to these concepts. For now...suffice it to say...by definition...this is a completely “new form” of...I’ll use the word “governance and government” but that is not fully descriptive really. Tatwo...:)

Let me say…human life has no particular value..."apart from the purposes of God"…that is how God sees it. Man only has value, from an "eternal viewpoint," when he is reconciled to God. That which is "not" eternal...or that which is "created"...will become "non-existent." Tatwo...:)

Greetings @FriendofJonathan I posted an article on the first page that may be of help to you. Tatwo...:)

A celestial body at that! Tatwo...:)

You may do what ever you please with this...it is yours take what you can from it. Thank you @Azzure for the gracious compliment it builds me in strength! Tatwo...:)

That is true...and I agree and at the same time I have had many Jewish friends who never really treated me in that way...I was simply not wanting to throw the baby out with the bath water as they say. Tatwo...:)

As you wish...but I suggest that a hungry growing brother like you...should look into this more. You may find that the Kingdom of God came to earth fully indwelling God manifest in the flesh for the first time at His baptism with John. With maybe an exception for 10 days between His ascension and the outpouring on the subsequent Pentecost. His Kingdom has been here on the earth since...it is spiritual and His people are in it right here on the earth...right now. You should dig into that bro. Luther...the God and Father of all creation is dwelling in His temple on the earth and in the heavens. I agree this world is not our "ultimate" home. Agreed...Christians often forget that our Lord King Yahshua flatly rejected the dragon's offer to rule "all the kingdoms of the world." Additionally He told Pontus Pilate..."my Kingdom is neither of this world nor this realm" if it were He said...My people would be fighting the Jews for my release...Christ is never apart from His Kingdom Luther...and it is not of this world...any alliance with the kingdoms of the world are in fact unholy. Sure and I agree...zionism..."not the Jew" is a satanic cancer...don't let it bother you bro...it must go this way. This administrations claim to MAGA...already looks like..."NOT"...and the underlying current of the "global capitalist oligarchy" the "broligarchy" as I call them...those who are driving "Dark MAGA" who are actually pushing their gig with EM at the helm...have entirely and completely different plans for the "United States Corporation" and its American workforce...and largely they have and are paying for it. Think along the lines of Proletariat and bourgeois...owners and slaves...I am not saying they will be successful...however even if they do fail...big change is here and coming on strong at an accelerated pace...again it is supposed to play out like this. Be of good cheer...He has overcome the world! Tatwo...:)

What do you mean by the rest? The false prophets…the answer to that is obvious. The Old Testament prophets…what makes them different…is a complete change of covenant and priesthood. It is the Holy Spirit of Truth in the “sons of God” that causes us to discern the “righteous from the profane.” Sure…to identify them we can look at Ephesians chapter 4 as…this will require some work however I have condensed it for this post. Remember…this is concerning the “gifts and graces” bestowed upon the Body of Christ…a spiritual man…at the time of the Lord Yahshua’s ascension. These are listed as…“apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers” operating within the Kingdom of God…specifically the Body of Christ on the earth. They were first empowered by the Holy Spirit on the Pentecost following the Lord’s ascension. Let’s commence to identifying “them Prophets" listed among the other four gifts and graces…based upon the scriptural description of a New Testament prophet and the subsequent identifiable manifestation of these graces and gifts…in the Body of Christ. The first part of their “job description” if you will verse 12... (12) “Is for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;” What they do?…”the equipping of the saints for the work of service”…their purpose in doing it?…“the building up of the body of Christ” This would indicate that “today’s prophets” are called forth and raised up by the Holy Spirit to lead and guide the “saints” who are “created in Christ Yahshua for good works…which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them” Ephesians 2. So think “big brother or father type figure” here…in and to the Kingdom of God…the body of Christ. I have more detail but that's not for this post. (13) “until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.” Here we are seeing a “timeframe” that these 5 graces of the Lord are in operation…”until [ denoting a finishing point or completion] we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God” Here then is listed the “targeted completion date”…when the Body reaches complete unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God…”attained” among “ALL”…in the Kingdom of our God. One look at these forums and the “church” tells us that the “unity of faith and knowledge of the Son of God” has not been achieved or completed…however it will happen…for the Body of Christ. Until then…the 5 graces and gifts that the Lord Himself gave to us…will remain and in operation wherever the Kingdom of God is present…until this objective is achieved. When is it then…that will be achieved? Well…verse 13 also gives us that answer…it is when the Body is considered by the Lord Yahshua – the standard Himself – to be a “mature man – a Spirit Man” again referencing the spiritual growth and maturity of the spiritual Body of Christ itself. The level of maturity that will be reached is…“to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.” The “Body of Christ…under its Head” is one in Spirit and at the maturity level that belongs to the “fullness” of Lord Yahshua Himself. That’s what Paul wrote…fully able to support the glory of God on the earth. Sure I understand the controversy that causes…we are however working directly from the scripture…verse by verse here. We are addressing the identification and litmus test of “today’s prophets.” They are existent in the Body of Christ typically as “spiritual fathers…leaders” engaged in the raising up of the “sons of God” to the full measure of the stature that belongs to the fullness of Christ. (14) “As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming” This “we are no longer to be children” is pointing to a process of “spiritual maturation” which takes us from “spiritual infant…at the new birth being born again infant child”…to a “spiritually mature adult” so that we are not deceived “by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming” as “spiritual children” are. Back in verse 12 we saw that these… “apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher”…are called and gifted by the Holy Spirit…who is assembling the Body of Christ…to do just that… the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ. This is the process for loving, raising, training and equipping, the saints as they grow up and mature spiritually into Christ…fulfilling their calls in the Kingdom of God…which is…to accomplish the “good works that God prepared beforehand…that we should walk in." (15) “but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ” “Today’s prophets” are a vital part of the Lord’s plan to teach the saints to “speak the Truth in love”…so that…the saints can “grow up into all aspects”…this would be their unique parts, callings, roles, anointing's, etc…in Christ. The Body of Christ is to become unified in faith and the knowledge of Christ to the level of spiritual maturity that is present in the “Head” of the Body…none other than the Lord Yahshua Christ. (16) “from whom the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.” The entire “Body of Christ” is being “fitted and held together” or assembled [Hebrews 10:25] by the Holy Spirit…according to “the proper working of each individual part" – call, role, gifting, grace.” The Holy Spirit knows exactly where each part of Christ belongs and what they do…as the part that they have been “predestined” to be by the Father…this was before creation. Ephesians 1:4 Conclusion… Though it is the same God who reveals the same “Theopneustos Word” to the prophets of the two covenants…there is a difference in the prophets. One is natural man on the earth in the once visible kingdom of Israel…the other is spiritual man in the heavens in the invisible eternal Kingdom of God…on earth. Today’s prophets of God are gifted, graced and Holy Spirit empowered to assist in the raising of the “children of God up into Christ as the “mature Spirit sons of God” as was always the plan. So if one would like to “test and authenticate” the “words and works of today’s prophets” that should be easy…if…you’re in the invisible spiritual Body of Christ directly under your Head. If you do not see them...or better yet have access to them...that would be something you would want to take up with the Lord Himself. He will show them to you they dwell in the temple of God here on the earth. They are the ones who have “sacrificed their lives” on the altar of worship to the Lord Yahshua Christ…to assist in loving you and teaching you…affirming and admonishing you in the ways of maturing…“to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.” I am fully aware of the controversy that surrounds what I have presented here…few there be today who have actually heard it…of those…few are likely to lay hold of it. For those who can discern Spirit and Truth my hope is that you might find some in this? There is more to discuss…this is where I will leave it. Tatwo...:)

Deception...its called deception lady...just like the dollar. Tatwo...:)