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I recall that some of what the rabbi was telling me appeared to be a mix of witchcraft, divination, and numerology, all things we are warned about in the Book of Deuteronomy. Two points stuck in my mind: one where he claimed that God was constantly re-creating (to which I asked him why in the reason he kept Sabbath, and why God would have originally ordained it and rested on the seventh day) and then he said something to the effect that we could re-energize and heal ourselves. To that I asked why, then, he had grey hair, and why people died, even kabbalists, and why the law of entropy was very much in effect with all of the illnesses, deaths, and rotting we see in this world. He replied that he would have to ask the rabbi who was the kabbalist and get back to me. I am still waiting......

I started this topic here awhile back: http://www.worthynews.com/worthyb....3;t=714 There is an interesting link on that thread about the dangers of kabbalah. I was invited to attend an event at an Orthodox synagogue with a rabbi who was a well known kabbalist as the main speaker. I declined, and got into a heated argument with an Orthodox rabbi about the dangers of kabbalah. He said that for those who really know what it's about (Orthodox Jews who have studied it) it is a powerful tool. He said that if I went to this event, I could ask any question I wanted of the speaker at the appropriate time. While that might have been a golden opportunity, I didn't feel well enough prepared, so I didn't attend.

A destroyed law is gone, and won't be back. A fulfilled law is one that is complete. We still need to keep the Law, but since we are unable to do so, we need Christ to keep it in us. By repenting and trusting Him, and being indwelt by His Holy Spirit, it counts the same as though we have kept the Law. It's really like a legal transaction, TigerShark. If a debt was paid by someone other than the debtor, is the debt still paid? Is a debt that is wiped out and done away with the same as a debt that is paid off? Especially in terms of what it took to get that debt paid, and what the debtor owes the One who paid it. Do you ever read any of Charles Finney's books? He was a lawyer and often discussed the Bible with that sort of a viewpoint. Very interesting stuff.

A fulfilled law is not the same as a destroyed law. The Law is fulfilled and can only be fulfilled through Jesus Christ. That is precisely why we DO need Him.

Thank you to everyone who answered. I am close to the one being cheated on, not the cheater, and neither one are born again.

DONKEY-BOMB FAILS On other terrorist fronts, a "donkey bomb" attack failed when a donkey laden with explosives was detonated alongside a line of Israeli cars. Several passengers were treated for shock, and light damage was caused. Josh Adler of Efrat told Arutz-7 what happened: "I was on my way to Jerusalem, and I saw a donkey on the road. It appeared both suspicious and dangerous, so I notified the Gush Etzion Emergency Center, and then I continued traveling and saw another donkey, this one with two baskets on it. I wanted to call again, but exactly at that moment it blew up near my car." In what a passenger in the car behind him described as "miraculous," Adler said that his injuries amounted only to "ringing in the ears and a headache. Nearby and slightly beforehand, an explosive was hurled at a Border Guard jeep; no one was hurt. Two soldiers killed on Thursday night while they were patrolling the highway south of Hevron were buried today. Corp. Assaf Bitan was laid to rest in the military section of the Afula cemetery, while Corp. Ronald Berer was buried in Rehovot. The funeral of the third victim, Yaakov Naim, was held on Friday in his hometown of Kfar Monash, near Netanya. Many general terrorist warnings have been received for the coming days, and the police and security services are on alert. A general closure has been imposed on all Arab villages in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and the Jordan Valley, to be removed the day after the elections, early Wednesday morning. The roads to and from these areas, and the Allenby and Rafiach border crossings into Jordan and Egypt, will be totally closed during this period, except for humanitarian emergencies.

THE BATTLES IN GAZA The war is being fought this weekend in Gaza and the western Negev. In the IDF's Operation Hot Iron, armed forces, engineering corps, and infantry, accompanied by helicopters, entered Gaza City last night in what some officials called the "strongest and deepest operation there" since the Palestinian Authority Arabs began the Oslo War in Sep. 2000. "We sought them out where they are manufacturing and firing the Kassam rockets," Brig.-Gen. Gadi Shamni, Commander of the IDF's Gaza Division said today. "We are delivering the clear message that there is no refuge for terrorists, and we will find them wherever they are." Defense Minister Sha'ul Mofaz said that the government is considering taking over the entire Gaza Strip - and he said that Hevron's terror infrastructures are next. The IDF forces in Gaza raided and destroyed some 14 factories for the manufacture of mortar shells and Kassam rockets, as well as over 100 lathes. The mission took place under heavy enemy fire, and 12 Arabs - mostly terrorists - were killed in the battle. There were no Israeli casualties. This was the third IDF offensive in Gaza this weekend. Arutz-7's Kobi Finkler reports that on Friday night, the army blew up four bridges around Beit Hanoun in northern Gaza. "The Kassam rockets fired at Sderot come from these areas," he said, "and they must be transported by vehicle, as each launcher weighs something like 100 kilograms. Blowing up the bridges, and other actions in Beit Hanoun and Zeitun, will help prevent this." IDF officials say that in any event, the mission is far from completed. Proof of this was provided shortly after the forces left Gaza this morning, when yet another Kassam rocket was fired at the Negev city of Sderot; it fell harmlessly in an open area. Later in the day, four more Kassams were fired, hitting areas near Sderot and Kfar Maimon without incident. A total of seven rockets have been fired at the Negev from Gaza since Friday. In other attempted murder attacks in the area today, two mortar shells fired towards N'vei Dekalim landed in Arab-populated areas nearby... A soldier was very lightly wounded this morning when an Arab sniper in Khan Yunis fired towards IDF headquarters in Gaza... Earlier, shots were fired at an Israeli car near Morag and at an IDF patrol near the Israeli-Egyptian border. No one was hurt.

THE TRAGEDY OF EXAGGERATION By Yigal Walt - January 21, 2003 - Israelinsider.com "He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world's believing him" -Thomas Jefferson The dramatic announcement was made on Palestinian TV during Israel's Operation Defensive Shield: a Christian priest, Jack Amateis, was killed and dozens of monks wounded in an Israel Defense Forces operation in Bethlehem. Yet as it turned out a day later, the rumors of Amateis' death were greatly exaggerated. The Palestinians were publicly embarrassed and discredited when Amateis himself confirmed that he and all nuns with him were safe and sound. On April 4, 2002, the Vatican's Ambassador to Israel, Cardinal Pietro Samari, apologized to the IDF for the false report. Although this incident serves as a mere footnote in the grander arena of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, it offers a stark illustration of one of the fundamental maladies maligning the Palestinian cause. Furthermore, it is precisely this "blemish" which has in large part led to the startling political erosion of the Palestinian Authority. The previous two years of violence have presented us with a PA that had lost virtually all sense of integrity, decency and direction. Instead, we have witnessed a Palestinian leadership so eagerly intent on embarrassing, smearing and discrediting Israel that this has largely emerged as an objective in and of itself. To paraphrase the frustrated Shlomo Ben Ami after the Taba negotiations in 2000, it increasingly appeared like the Palestinians seem to care more about denouncing Israel than they do about getting their own state. At all cost. Here, in a nutshell, lies the essence of the current Palestinian tragedy. It is a tragedy of exaggeration, the grosser the better. It is a tragedy of far-fetched myths and ludicrous accusations, often stemming out of uncontrollable animosity to Israel rather than a cold focus on matters of self-interest. Sadly, it is also a tragedy that leaves both Israelis and Palestinians mired in a swamp of pain, blood and despair. But first, a quick reminder: less than two and a half years ago the Palestinians were negotiating a final status settlement with Israel. On the table were unprecedented offers. The Palestinians could walk away with their own state, covering almost the entire West Bank and the Gaza strip. The press was solidly on their side, with Arafat a welcomed guest in Washington and other Western capitals. Yet today, the Palestinians find themselves in a bottomless pit. Their cities have been re-occupied, their economy shattered. The Palestinian Authority is in complete disarray; some say final death convulsions. What's worse, despite overall sympathy, international support from top political circles has greatly eroded. The US President refuses to talk to Arafat, let alone have him set foot in the White House again. European leaders often turn a cold shoulder. Arab leaders continue with their rhetoric, but extend no meaningful political assistance. Some of them, like Egyptian president Mubarak, offer words of reprimand instead. Newspaper reporters once friendly are now suspicious. What went wrong? Although all governments, at one time or another, resort to deceit or manipulation of information, the use of deception and outright lying by the Palestinians is so deeply entrenched, blatantly performed, and irrationally presented, that it cannot be compared to usual public relations battles. Yet the Palestinians have somehow failed to realize that, in Abraham Lincoln's words, "you can't fool all of the people all the time." This astute observation is especially poignant when the people lied to happen to be top international leaders. Yasser Arafat's personal assurance to President Bush and the Europeans that Fatah-Tanzim terrorist Atef Abayat was in custody proved to be a laughable fabrication when Abayat's jeep exploded, with the arch-terrorist in it, less than a week later. It appears Arafat was never fully forgiven for the arrogant and condescending attempt to mislead the American president, who also did not appreciate the embarrassingly weak Palestinian "clarification," namely that Abayat was "being transferred" to another jail at the time of his assassination by Israel. In retrospect, we can conclude that this seemingly minor episode, in addition to the Karin A weapon-smuggling fiasco, was probably the final nail in Arafat's proverbial US-made coffin. The Americans could never forgive such blatant lying, just as they could not excuse a Palestinian claim not to engage in terrorism proven meaningless by clandestine arms imports from Iran. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, this was not the only case of one of their pledges finding its way to the pond of empty words and broken promises. Arafat had also insisted that Hamas terrorist Iman Halaweh was safely in prison, again causing the Europeans to shake their heads in frustration once Halaweh, free as ever, blew up in his Subaru shortly afterwards. Thus, the Palestinian machine of deception, which has seemed so well oiled at times, had come at a very high cost. Ironically, Western politicians may have been willing to accept interpretations of Palestinian violence as a legitimate national struggle, yet they most certainly could not accept being lied to time after time and being treated as fools. Heedlessly, Arafat had turned the issues from purely political in nature to highly personal ones. Hence, the central role of Palestinian falsehood in bringing about the scorn of Western governments should not be underestimated or overlooked. Yet as it turns out, the Palestinians do not only lie to world leaders. For Arafat and his cronies, the entire world is indeed a stage where outright lying and gross exaggeration are all considered legitimate tools of the trade. One of the favorite ploys used by Palestinians in this regard took the form of claims of various Israeli massacres, most notably but not limited to the one in Jenin. One such allegation widely circulated through Palestinian media, and later proven to be baseless, accused Israeli soldiers of committing a massacre in a Ramallah hospital during operation Defensive Shield. In reality, although soldiers acting on reliable intelligence information did enter hospitals and verified the identities of patients, no massacre took place. Yet this canard, as grave and infuriating as it was, pales in comparison to the allegations of massacre in Jenin. Official Palestinian figures of at least 500 dead were proven grossly exaggerated, as findings of the UN commission later concluded. Palestinian spokesman Saeb Erekat, who articulated this fantastic tale on CNN, promised to apologize if the numbers he was spewing forth proved inaccurate. Not surprisingly, the world is still awaiting his retraction. But even more damaging for the Palestinians were the attempts to cement their version of events by such means as mock funerals and the diabolical utilization of animal cadavers for the purpose of creating a deathly stench in the combat zone. The international news media, often quick to embrace Palestinian claims and dismiss violence as part of a legitimate battle, could not quite dismiss words and images which indicated the extent and sheer audacity of Palestinian deceit. Images of Palestinian "dead" falling off stretchers and climbing back up could not be explained away or legitimized. The Jenin massacre, with the backlash of criticism against journalists too quick to jump to Palestinian custom-tailored conclusions, made newspapers and other media overly careful in future dealings with Palestinian claims. Newspaper editors, who had to deal with thousands of angry letters protesting obviously deficient coverage, would also become cautious of being burned by the fires of Palestinian falsehood again. This is not to suggest that all sympathy for the Palestinian cause had completely evaporated in the media; far from it in fact. At the same time, the circle of those willing to accept the Palestinian version of events, no questions asked, had certainly narrowed. Thus, it is the Palestinian themselves who have largely created the atmosphere in which they are now struggling to operate. When every Israeli shot becomes a declaration of war and every Israeli incursion - an attempt at genocide, the world is unlikely to remain an attentive and believing listener. What's worse for the Palestinians, the false allegations often divert attention from the genuine problems; the great poverty, continuous curfews, and long lineups at military checkpoints. Those all become minor and uninteresting in light of possible "massacres" and bloody wars. Yet those areas are where the real Palestinian struggle is found, and where it has to be won. Only by formulating clear objectives, defining realistic goals, and articulating their struggle in a more credible and truthful manner, can the Palestinians hope to muster enough support, both within Israel and internationally, for their cause. Otherwise, they are running the risk of adding more members into the ever-widening circle of those who have become tired and disillusioned with the constant barrage of Palestinian myth and fiction.

A War of Cultures By Rick Dorfman - January 21, 2003 The Arab-Israeli conflict is a struggle that stretches far beyond physical borders and secular history. A certain moral clarity arises when the culture of the Palestinians is measured on a micro-sociological level against that of the Israelis. Religion, economy and governmental structure have formed two distinct societies between the Jordan River and Mediterranean Sea, and it is important to evaluate these differences in assessing the origins of the ongoing conflict, and the major hindrances to peace. Meet the Mandell Family Rabbi Seth Mandell, his wife Sherri and their four children moved to Israel from Maryland in 1996. After beginning their lives as Israelis in Jerusalem, the family eventually settled in the Judean town of Tekoa, south of Israel

http://christianactionforisrael.org/isrepo...n03/terror.html Terror for Christians in Arafat-land By Joseph Farah - January 21, 2003 Does Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority persecute Christians? Let me tell you the story of two Christian converts in Arafat-land

PA Honors Hamas Suicide Bombers By Naming Soccer Teams After Them By KHALED ABU TOAMEH - The Jerusalem Post, Jan. 21, 2003 The Palestinian Authority has decided to commemorate the memory of Abdel Baset Odeh, the Hamas terrorist who carried out the suicide bombing in a Netanya hotel last Passover Eve, by naming a soccer tournament after his name. Thirty people were killed and dozens injured in the attack, which triggered Operation Defensive Shield. The Palestinian Authority

When I was a teenager, I went with my friend to a church that was highly respected in the community and was long established.

THREE ISRAELIS KILLED NEAR HEVRON Yesterday night, shortly after Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin declared that, despite rumors to the contrary, there would be no cessation of terrorist attacks, three soldiers of the Lavi unit were killed in an ambush at K'vasim Junction in the southern Hevron hills. IDF troops are scouring the area for the attackers, while the city of Hevron remains under curfew. The fallen are: Corporal Assaf Bitan, 19, from Afula; Corporal Ronald Barer, 19, from Rechovot; First-Sergeant Yaakov Na'im, 20, from Kfar Monash. First-Sergeant Na'im was laid to rest today in the military section of the Kfar Monash cemetery. In the ambush, which took place at about 8:30pm, Arab gunmen fired at an IDF foot patrol from point blank range, as it made its way by the village of Yatah, in the Hevron hills. After gravely wounding the three soldiers and stealing weapons from two of them, the attackers fled into Yatah. One of the soldiers managed to return fire, but medics were unable to save the soldiers' lives, and they eventually succumbed to their wounds. The Arab attackers had also apparently filmed the ambush, as has become familiar from Hizbullah attacks on IDF troops in the now-defunct security zone in southern Lebanon. In a flyer circulated throughout the Palestinian Authority, the Hamas terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the fatal shootings. 23 Israelis have been murdered in terrorist attacks in the Hevron hills since October. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/

George: Do you do that all in one sitting, or do you break the readings up during the day?

Excuuuuuuse me, George, but the humour forum is thataway....> I read the Bible ,beginning with the Old Testament and going right through to the New. We have family Bible reading and prayer every night, as well, and we read that methodically, too.

Hillson: Some links for you that might help: http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml http://library.luther.edu/pages/courli/amish.htm http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics6/gingerich/6.htm

I don't think it's because of the internet. It's because books like "Harry Potter" and various other means, such as video games, movies, etc., have made witchcraft appealing.

I'll cut-and-paste a little for you, FHA. The link works fine for me: schools of witchcraft Author Subject: schools of witchcraft Sabrina Rachel Powers Posted At 22:01:34 07/10/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, My name is Sabrina, I was reffered to you by Tara at Bottom of the Tea cup in New Orleans. Tara told me that I was very gifted. I was wondering if there was some sort of school or someone who could teach me to use my gift and help me to grow? Milena Nikiel Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 4 replies) Posted At 17:05:46 10/09/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Could you please send me any adresses to any witchcraft schools near babylon or something like that.I'm only 12 but i want to learn more aboutwitchcraft Rev. V Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 1 replies) Posted At 09:53:07 10/15/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Sabrina. Call the church at 504-828-7169 and we can meet and discuss your needs and wishes. BB Michelle Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 1 replies) Posted At 19:05:23 10/16/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My grandma is a powerful witch. She told me that I have the same gift as her and all I need to do is find it. Well I have tried a few things and they seem to work, but they take about a week to work. I know my magick is not going the way I want it to, so if anyone knows about any schools that can help me, I would be ever so thankful. That is - schools that can increase my powers and mold me into the person I really am. Elissa Morrish Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 00:08:30 10/21/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi,My name is Elissa I'm nearly 16 years old and I am still at school but when I leave School I Want to go to a school of witchcraft I don't care if tit is on the other sidde of the world I really want to go and I was wondering if you could tell me the name of a witchschool and where it is. star Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:48:25 10/22/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi, my name is star and i was wornding if ANY one could help me find a school of witchcraft because i have tryed about 10 spell and they have all worked star Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 18:48:53 10/22/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hi, my name is star and i was wornding if ANY one could help me find a school of witchcraft because i have tryed about 10 spell and they have all worked Angela Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 1 replies) Posted At 15:53:04 10/23/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello I'm 12 years old and I'm nervous because I can't control this power when I'm mad. Would anyone like to be my friend because I'm mostly a loner wierd stuff happens around me when I'm mad so they back away. I need a little training near Akron in Kenmore feel free to e-mail me please I'm just a loner. If any one reads sorry if it's wierd Angela Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 3 replies) Posted At 15:53:34 10/23/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello I'm 12 years old and I'm nervous because I can't control this power when I'm mad. Would anyone like to be my friend because I'm mostly a loner wierd stuff happens around me when I'm mad so they back away. I need a little training near Akron in Kenmore feel free to e-mail me please I'm just a loner. If any one reads sorry if it's wierd phoenix Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 00:52:03 10/31/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To all who wish to join a school of witchcraft- There are no formal schools that I know of. Sorry. However, if you contact a local metaphysical shop (some books have listing of shops all over the country) you could ask the owner of churches and groups that meet in your area. There are others like you, it just takes time to find them. Be patient; things change rapidly in those young years. Discover your own faith. If anyone feels the need to talk I have left my e-mail. Blessed Be and Happy Samhain! Starr Re: schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 13:39:04 11/08/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, Im 27 years old. I know I have a special gift but im not sure how to tap into it. I need some traing and more knowledge of the craft. If anyone can help me or would just like to chat, feel free to e-mail me any time. Neo schools of witchcraft (Currently 0 replies) Posted At 08:19:58 11/12/2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to know if there are any schools for the gifted in the art of witchcraft? Thank you!!

Yes, and not only are those kids impressionable, the "magic" included in a lot of this material are things that those who really dabble in witchcraft use.

YIKES! For the record, I am not THAT "Star" on traveller's link!! Those kids need serious prayer......

FHA: You sing, too? What would you describe your singing style as? I really don't disregard dark forces. I heard someone once say (and I am paraphrasing, and can't recall to whom credit should be given) that Christians can make the mistake of giving Satan too much credit, or not enough.

If you know your friend's spouse is having an affair, do you say something, or keep quiet?

Are y'all aware that some of the spells in HP books are actual witchcraft spells? There was once some sort of "spell" in a movie(not HP) that lots of kids had seen and were acting out in a school bathroom. It involved calling on "something" that appeared in a mirror and ...well, I don't want to say too much, but something happened. My unsaved sister, a social worker, was working in a home for wayward girls, and she experienced so many things of the occult in that home as a result of the girls mimicking scenes they had seen from movies. On a personl note to ForHimAlone: You're an ACTRESS??!! I never knew that! What kinds of things do you act in?

I apologise, I cannot find the verse nor remember it accurately, but it is written that whatsoever is of the king, or ordered by the king, shall prosper, or be blessed -- something like that. That would mean that the King James Bible is blessed, regardless of just who King James was. Additionally, it was THE only English Bible for hundreds of years -- surely God wouldn't have it be in existence alone if it weren't an accurate translation. I also believe it was put together specifically to Tyndale's prayer, "Lord, open the king's eyes." The King James version was the first Bible I ever read cover to cover, and whenever I had trouble understanding something in it, it wasn't because of the Old English, it was because the spiritual lesson contained in the text was too hard for me to discern. I have found that praying for wisdom, knowledge, and understanding before I read is a good thing. I will say this, too: I have attended lots of Bible studies, and sometimes there is something in my Bible that has been taken out of other attendee's Bibles. That speaks volumes to me.

It should show in my post....Matthew 5:48. One of my favourite verses. It really spoke to me and convicted me the first time I read it, and it always seems to be in the back of my mind.