HisMindinme

First, take out a $1 bill and look at it. Read it. At the very top are printed the words, "Federal Reserve Note". Basic Accounting 101: A note is: A legal document that acknowledges a debt and promises to pay. Who is borrowing and who is lending? The Federal Reserve bank is NOT a U.S. government bank. It is a private bank, wholly owned by private people of MANY national origins (think Moses Rothschild, J. D. Rockefeller and others). The United States government (our congress) in 1913 agreed to a Central Banking System with the Federal Reserve Bank as the core bank. Originally, we had "Gold Certificates". This paper money clearly was a certificate and was redeemable in actual gold. In 1934, the U.S. government made it illegal for private U.S. Citizens to own and possess actual gold. The best we can now do is own gold indirectly. Thus, the actual gold is in the hands of the government or the central banking systems around the world. Ok -- so, to answer the question: What is being borrowed? Who is borrowing? Who is lending? What is the collateral? Federal Reserve Notes are obligations of the United States and are a first lien on the assets of the issuing Federal Reserve Bank. In addition they are secured by a pledge of collateral equal to the face value of the notes. The collateral must consist of the following assets, alone or in any combination: 1. Gold certificates 2. Special Drawing Right Certificates 3. United States Government Securities 4. "Eligible paper" as described by the statute. Thus, here are the players: 1. Who is Borrower - United States (you and I). 2. Who is Lender? - Federal Reserve Bank (a few wealthy families beginning such as Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc). 3. What is Borrowed? - Paper "Notes" worth very little (in terms of time, materials and labor to print and distribute). 4. What is Collateral? - What we own: Gold, Securities, Eligible Paper - deeds, titles, etc. We exchange our land, goods, services and labor in exchange for nearly worthless paper! When the demand for "paper" exceeded the gold and material goods of the country, we started "promising to pay" (borrowing). Thus, we said, "Give us more paper and we'll return the paper with interest in future collateral." - think: GDP. Thus, our grandparents and great-grandparents obligated themselves and us and our children to a cycle of slavery; exchanging real property and valuables for worthless paper. So, our "National Debt" is really a phantom. We truly owe nothing. Yet, as a nation through our congress in 1913 and subsequent legislation, we "promised" to these banker families through their "banks" to repay them our real property and valuables in exchange for their worthless paper money system (monopoly money). To answer your questions: Do we borrow from China or other countries? No and yes. No, we promise to exchange our present or future collateral for paper. Yes, we borrow from other central banks (i.e. the promise of collateral of other countries) to add to our own pot with a promise to repay based on the same collateral we have (present or future). If the credit-worthiness of the United States falls, then our capacity to keep "borrowing" collapses. Other countries will come and "demand" the collateral for the "notes" they've printed and we've "promised to repay" (real collateral for paper note). Thus, the creditors of the United State (We the People) are A) Wealthy World Banks and Banking Families and B) Other Nations Central Banks (also just wealthy banking families). Thus, increasing the "cash supply" (i.e. printing more paper) just means more "promises" by We the People (YOU AND I) to repay with our actual and real collateral (gold, securities, property, goods and services). If our economy were to collapse, other countries and bankers would come and demand us to relinquish ownership so they could "take control". We have set ourselves up to be financial slaves. The bible says clearly: Pro 22:7 The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is servant to a man who lends. When We the People agreed to exchange our physical wealth for manufactured wealth of paper, we became instant borrowers and slaves (servants). We the People are so greedy and so ignorant and so in the perception of "debt" that we're landlocked away from TRUE freedom. You and I are no longer truly free. We are at the whim of the owners of money, the rich, the SUPER-wealthy, bankers, money-changers, central banks and governments who no longer do the peoples business but do their own. Our government is no longer about We the People, but about Power and Control through money and the veil of wealth and legislation. This is why Democrats think they can ignore the overall will of the people. This is why elites think they can ignore We the People and do as they please -- why? Because they DO!! Who of us is powerful enough to stand against them? Who of us is now presently powerful enough to say "Do as We the People want!" ANSWER: NONE OF US! 70%+ in the polls want "Drill here, Drill now" Does our congress respond to our will? NO! Even silly ignorant Republicans in the Senate side with Democrats on legislation that is little more than "appeasement" paper to make us "go away" and let them continue to rule as they (the elite) see fit!

First -- Mat 10:28 And you should not fear the ones killing the body, but not being able to kill the soul. But rather fear Him being able to destroy both soul and body in Hell. The word "fear" here is "be in awe of" or "reverence". The verse then reads: "... be in awe of and revere Him being able to destroy both soul and body in Hell." If you are afraid in terms of fear as fear, then do NOT fear, but reverence and have awe for God above all. Second -- Kenneth Hagin is a MAN. He's not God. He may think he knows and he may teach as though he knows and he may present himself and come off as though he knows -- BUT -- he is still, he was, he is, he will always be merely A MAN. On top of that -- a sinner (saved by Grace or no, but a sinner nonetheless). Joh 2:24 But Jesus Himself did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all, 25 and because He had no need that anyone should witness concerning man, for He knew what was in man. You do well to be suspicious of men; starting with your own self and extending outward to ALL MEN (including me and others here or ANYONE). Christ alone, God alone, the Spirit of God alone are the bedrock, true, faithful, just, pure, holy, right and righteous. I am suspicious of myself because I understand my own capacity to sink into deviance or to be found there in ignorance. Kenneth Hagin is no better. Only faith, grace, hope and love offer to any one of us something more than the deep enslavement we find ourselves in. Ultimately, you will find peace when you realize what Christ is doing in love, His love, for you. He offers you not only love and forgiveness, but a new Mind (His own) to live from in the stead and in the place of your own enslaved mind. His Mind IN you by His Spirit, the Spirit of God in you, is not only a downpayment of things to come (the full remaking of your mind in freedom rather than enslavement), but IS the substance of things hoped for. That you can have even a small part of His Mind and Thinking IN you for you to operate (live, think, do and say) from is the miracle. When you walk in His Mind, His Spirit, which is NOT enslaved to the lusts of your flesh, THEN you walk in freedom -- also in pain (pain of the flesh not being fed in lust). This is the "deny yourself - pick up your cross - follow me" part. What did Jesus do? Did He come and operate in His own Mind or that of another, the Father? Joh 5:30 I am able to do nothing from Myself; just as I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, for I do not seek My will, but the will of the One sending Me, the Father. Joh 7:17 If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the doctrine, whether it is of God, or I speak from Myself. Joh 8:28 Then Jesus said to them, When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM; and from Myself I do nothing; but as My Father taught Me, these things I speak. Paul picks up the same theme: 1Co 4:4 For I know nothing of myself, but I have not been justified by this; but He judging me is the Lord. 1Co 2:10 But God revealed them to us by His Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of a man within him? So also no one has known the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 But we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit from God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. 13 Which things we also speak, not in words taught in human wisdom, but in Words taught of the Holy Spirit, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. 14 But a natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he is not able to know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But the spiritual one discerns all things, but he is discerned by no one. 16 For "who has known the mind of the Lord?" "Who will teach Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. Isa. 40:13 The discernment Paul speaks of comes as a result of taking up the Mind of Christ and the setting aside of our own mind. The key is: How do we know the difference? The product of a mind is thought. Mind produces thought. Thought produces emotion. Thought and emotion are in service to something. When of the natural mind, they are in service to the lusts of the flesh. When of the Mind of God, the Mind of Christ, they are in service to God, His pleasure, His righteousness and His holiness. Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are high from the earth, so My ways are high from your ways, and My thoughts from your thoughts. ... 11 so shall My Word be, which goes out of My mouth; it shall not return to Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in what I sent it to do! again ... Eze 36:26 And I will also give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit [mind] within you. And I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give to you a heart of flesh. What "new mind" will the Lord put in us? This is the "Spirit of Promise" that Paul spoke of: Eph 1:13 in whom also you, hearing the Word of Truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also believing you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is an earnest (downpayment) of our inheritance, to the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. 15 Because of this, hearing of your faith in the Lord Jesus and love toward all the saints, 16 I also do not cease giving thanks on your behalf, making mention of you in my prayers, 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the full knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your mind having been enlightened, for you to know what is the hope of His calling, and what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us, the ones believing according to the working of His mighty strength 20 which He worked in Christ in raising Him from the dead; yea, He seated Him at His right hand in the heavenlies, (Psa. 110:1 ) 21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and lordship, and every name having been named, not only in this age, but also in the coming age; 22 and He "put all things under His feet" and gave Him to be Head over all things to the assembly, (Psa. 8:6) 23 which is His body: the fullness of the One filling all things in all; THE POINT IS -- There is A) Grace and Forgiveness to cover your (our, my) sin and fallenness - AND - B) His Mind, His Spirit being IN us from which to grow, walk, live, do, say and be in this life, with hope and faith and above all LOVE (His Love - Him in us). Thus, if the "Word of Faith" you speak is OF His Mind in you (the Mind of Christ), THEN you can trust it will do as God has intended and purposed and return to Him with fruit and NOT void and worthless. However, if the word you speak from your mouth is of YOUR MIND, enslaved to your flesh, you'll get the ONLY result possible from it: death and the feeding of the lusts of your flesh (same for me, same for us all). Therefore, the whole point in this matter is to seek out His Mind, His Spirit and to live from them rather than our mind, thoughts, emotions and so on. Moreover, it is our purpose to share this good news of God in us with each other and all those who will hear, understand and respond to the Word of Faith, to Christ and His Spirit coming to us and in us.

Please point to a written statement by me putting words in your mouth (i.e. ascribing to you what you have not written). If I have done so, I will happily and respectfully apologize. You point to a contention. First, I find no contention (i.e. argument or debate designed to contend or cause division). Second, I will review what I have written to see if I asserted (Vs "contended") that ALL reason and logic are humanistic. I think I have clearly stated that there is reason and logic of the world and of God. The reason and logic of God is flawless and pure because it is His and of Him and Him. The reason of men is death and given to the service of lusts. Yet, then we seem in agreement. For that I am happy. As for what prevents us from being "blown about", what does the word of God say? Eph 4:17 Therefore, I say this, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk even as also the rest of the nations walk, in the vanity of their mind, Eph 4:18 having been darkened in the intellect, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance which is in them because of the hardness of their heart, Eph 4:19 who, having cast off all feeling, gave themselves up to lust, to the working of all uncleanness with greediness. First, Paul points out: "The Nations" (non-believers) have a trait or commonality that we share: We walk (live, talk, act out) in the vanity (worthlessness) of our MIND. The core of our issue begins and is focused in that part of us: OUR MIND. It is our mind that is enslaved. Second, Paul points out some aspects of what has led to the enslavement: A) We cast off all feeling. The word feeling is pointing at an inability or lack of capacity to sense pain. Thus, one step on the road to the enslavement of our mind is to overwhelm our capacity to feel pain from doing what is sinful with the pleasures of lust. This leads to: B) "gave themselves up to lust". It is the lusts of our flesh that enslave our minds. Our thoughts then become enslaved to lusts, where the mind is goaded and commanded into thinking whatever the flesh needs in order to feed chemical lusts. Thus, we don't think what we do because we're free-willed and free-thinking -- NO -- we think what we think and feel what we feel (emotional response) at the behest and command and to the feeding and pleasing of the lusts of the flesh. Finally, Paul points out how ignorance is a grand tool in the hands of Satan and men alike to keep us in the chains of our slavery. The chains are strengthened because of several things including: A) Our love of pleasure rather than light and B) Our love of self-righteousness rather than the righteousness of God. The trap and enslavement of our minds to fulfilling the lusts and pleasures of our flesh is dark, insidious, self-delusional, self-deceptive and an ever tightening web of thoughts with ONE single design: To keep us trapped and feeding the pleasures and lusts. Luk 8:14 And those falling in the thorn bushes, these are those hearing, but under cares and riches and pleasures of life, moving along, they are choked, and do not bear to maturity. 2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 2Ti 3:3 without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good, 2Ti 3:4 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these. 2Ti 3:6 For of these are those creeping into houses and leading silly women captive, the ones having been heaped with sins, being led away by various lusts, 2Ti 3:7 always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth. Thus, "always learning" (reason and logic) is not the guide. Such things are a tool and a good one, but they are NOT the baseline. The baseline is the very mind and thoughts of God Himself. I pray that you and I can find agreement in such things and not division.

The original question (the one you've replied to with a question) was rhetorical. So, again -- is it your question that remains or what's behind and driving you to ask it? Look to the source. The motivation for asking: is it His Mind, His Heart, His Spirit in you -or- is it you wanting a debate, an argument, a division, a contention and other like things upon which to feed your lusts? And so you don't think that I am unaware: God Himself is the yardstick and measure. He is the goal and the target. His Word (both spoken by Him, written down by man by inspiration (Spirit) and in the person of Christ Himself) is our blueprint because it is from Him and trustworthy in all things. It is the goal of what Christ came for: His Spirit (Mind) born in us and us then walking from inwardly that Mind of His instead of our own, which is enslaved and our lusts feed from. So, again -- look behind your question. What is the source? What is the motivator? What is the driver? I am not here to argue. I am here to stay as unified in the Spirit of God together with you as possible; as much as either of us have the measure of the Spirit of God within us and that we both grow in the Mind of Christ in us. If you feel the same, then say so plainly. If you cannot then perhaps your motivation is clear. I am hopeful and believe you're not here to feed your lusts on debate, division and contention. Eph 4:12 with a view to the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry, for the building up of the body of Christ, Eph 4:13 until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, ...

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There is a way, there is logic, there is reason that SEEMS right to a MAN, but the end of it is the ways of death. How can you tell the reason of God from the reason of men? What yardstick and what measure do you use that is true? What is the objective standard against which a Christian measures anything? You answer with a question because you want to play a game. The game you play is emotionally based. It is driven in flesh and lust. I am not here to divide with you or to be disunified IF you and I have the Spirit of God within us. I will not divide for my part. Neither will I take part in the feeding of your flesh or mine by continuing the debate. I have said what I have said, written what I have written. Understand it or not. There is enough in what I have written.

Oh yes -- your professor was a man. Joh 2:23 And as He was in Jerusalem, at the Passover, at the Feast, many believed into His name, seeing the miracles which He did. Joh 2:24 But Jesus Himself did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all, Joh 2:25 and because He had no need that anyone should witness concerning man, for He knew what was in man. Again -- your professor was merely a man. I am merely a man. You are merely a man.

You appear to be asserting I believe reason and logic are not congruent with faith. No where have I stated logic and reason are mutually exclusive of faith. What I have stated is humanistic logic and reason are rooted in the same broken humanity as anything else that pours out of the human mind devoid of faith. The ONLY logic and reason having worth is the logic and reason of God Himself. Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. God is VERY much about reason, but not that reason stemming from and born of an enslaved mind. 1Co 1:19 For it has been written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will set aside the understanding of the understanding ones." Isa. 29:14 1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? Where the scribe? Where the lawyer of this world? Did God not make the wisdom of this world foolish? 1Co 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom did not know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of preaching to save the ones believing. 1Co 1:22 And since Jews ask for a sign, and Greeks seek wisdom, 1Co 1:23 we, on the other hand, preach Christ crucified (truly an offense to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks), 1Co 1:24 but to the called out ones, both to Jews and to Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God; 1Co 1:25 because the foolish thing of God is wiser than men, and the weak thing of God is stronger than men. 1Co 1:26 For you see your calling, brothers, that there are not many wise according to flesh, nor many powerful, not many wellborn. 1Co 1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the world that the wise might be put to shame, and God chose the weak things of the world so that He might put to shame the strong things. 1Co 1:28 And God chose the low-born of the world, and the despised, and the things that are not, so that He might bring to nothing the things that are, 1Co 1:29 so that no flesh might glory in His presence. The REASON and LOGIC I am "deriding" (putting down) is the wisdom (reasoning) of the world. There is a wisdom, a reason that is OF GOD. That wisdom is to have the Mind of God, the Spirit of God through the work and person of Jesus Christ -- to the laying aside of our mind, thoughts, emotions, wisdom, reason, logic and such that is based in, on and from the lusts of our flesh. If your assertion is as it appears then what you have asserted is false. If your assertion is false, then your conclusions from it are false as well. Yet, this is not about me being right. This is about God being right. I am not right. I am a man. I was born a fool and I am foolish, He alone is wise. My mind, my logic, my reasoning are base and bound, enslaved and captive to the lusts of my flesh -- His are NOT! So, to Him I cling and to what He offers me of His Spirit to His own work, purpose and glory is what matters and counts. And not for me only, but all those who the Lord calls and who call upon His name. You and I are of the same lineage and heritage: sinners. If you want to kill something dead, start by living from His Spirit and killing the desires, lusts and appetites of your flesh. I will do likewise. Pro 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of it is the ways of death. Pro 16:25 There is a way that seems right to a man, but the end of it is the ways of death. There is a way, there is logic, there is reason that SEEMS right to a MAN, but the end of it is the ways of death. How can you tell the reason of God from the reason of men? What yardstick and what measure do you use that is true?

God, Himself, is the final authority on ALL matters and issues. Even Jesus did not turn to His own thinking, but deferred to what He heard and saw with the Father (Joh 5:30 I can do nothing of My own self. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of the Father who has sent Me.) Placing human logic and reasoning capacity above all is its own fallacy; a self-deception. Doing so ignores the basic state of people: Our minds are enslaved to the lusts of our flesh. The basic mechanism is already trapped, so a simple denial of religion and God is not enough to be set free from the mechanism of enslavement. Only the reasoning and Mind of God the Father, Son and Spirit is truly FREE from enslavement to human lust. When we set aside what we think for what He Thinks, then we're on the road to true freedom and a reason that is above our own. At this point, we enter into a place of what Jesus said would be the testimony of those led of the Spirit. Joh 3:8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone having been generated from the Spirit. The Spirit of God (Mind of God, Thinking of God -- in the third person of God) in us places us higher than humanistic logic and reason. While reason is a powerful tool, it is also deceptive. In human terms, it offers its own form of salvation without God. Humanistic reason and logic says, "You don't need God. You're capable to make your own choices, for your own reasons, by your own power, by your own sight and no one can judge you but you." <-- which seems true until we start talking about law and society. As soon as we introduce society and law between people, then we replace reason with morality (even if we think the morality is reasonable). There MUST be a basis for agreement. There is no way for us to break the need for God, for morality, for right and wrong, for justice and injustice -- pure reason and logic collapse upon themselves and human beings are as insane as ever! THE answer presented by the Word of God (gospel) is A) The forgiveness of Christ for our state and ways and B) The GIFT of the Mind of God, Spirit of God imparted within us, for us to use in this life in place of the enslaved mind, which put us in the position of needing A) and B) in the first place. The Mind of God, Spirit of God, Mind of Christ in us is NOT black and white, but is above black and white as we see it. The Mind of God and His Thoughts in us and available to us, transcends human thought and the human mind and breaks the shackles of enslavement of our mind and thoughts from the lusts of our body. Thus, there are some answers in life from the Mind and Word of God, which are fairly simple and straight-forward. Others, require prayerfulness, seeking God, reading His Word and looking for the Mind and Thoughts of God, rather than our interpretation of God. Thus, the Lord will not be placed in a human mental box. God also defies human logic and reason. God confounds and confuses our reason and our logic because in our logic and reason are already the seeds of blindness and enslavement. The very nature of our enslavement makes us blind and in our blindness we are delusional and incapable of seeing the truth as God sees it. Thus, comes the need for faith and trust. Bottom line for me is: Reason and Logic are a self-delusional lie ending in the same trapped place as any thought of any human mind, including my own. I say together with Paul: Php 3:7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss because of Christ. Php 3:8 But, no, rather I also count all things to be loss because of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them to be trash, that I might gain Christ ... Php 3:18 For many walk as hostile to the cross of Christ, of whom I often told you, and now even weeping I say it, Php 3:19 whose end is destruction, whose god is the belly [lusts and appetites], and who glory in their shame, the ones thinking earthly things. I encourage you to exchange your earthly thoughts and thinking, which are based on and enslaved to the lusts of your flesh -- set your focus and affections on the Mind of Christ, the Spirit (Mind) of God so that you will grow in the scope and exercise of the Thoughts of God in you (The Mind of Christ in you). I encourage you as well to explore how the chief and primary message of Christ was two-fold: A) Forgiveness and B) The Spirit of God IN US and for us to choose BOTH A) and B) in place of living life in and by a mind and thoughts enslaved to the lusts of our flesh! Finally -- this is not about our will even if we know what God thinks about something. It is NOT enough to just know what He Thinks, but to know His direction and will. We set aside our will and our intention for His. This is what Jesus was communicating at its core in the scritpure quoted above. Jesus later repeats this in the garden as He faces crucifixion; "Nevertheless, NOT My will, but Yours be done." If Jesus as Lord and King submitted Himself to the Father, choosing the Father's will over His own, how much more ought we to be of this mind ourselves? Thus, it is our will set aside for His coupled with our thoughts set aside for His where we truly enter into the place of safety and friendship with God. Our will is not His will. Our thoughts are not His Thoughts. Our resulting ways are not His Ways. Thus, in order to get to His ways we must set aside our will and thoughts and take up His will and His Thoughts to ourselves. We must follow Jesus in this pattern if we're to be like Christ. This is what is means to be a Christian (like-Christ). Paul agrees with this over and over. Peter and the other apostles as well. All share the same testimony, where they put aside what they think and will for what He Thinks and Wills. I pray we all grow in this measure.

You know the terrible part of labeling you with a "disorder"? It catagorizes you into a group. Categorization is a form of separation. It disunifies, disunites, pulls apart, classifies, puts you in a group and draws a line and boundary around you that separates you from everyone else NOT in that group. And what is the source of the boundary? MAN! Did God come down here in the form of Christ and look at people and say, "You have adult attachment disorder. And you there: You have religious leader disorder. And you: You have Roman Soldier disorder." Horsehockey and hooey! Human beings LOVE to separate, group, build walls and boundaries. We adore disunification and tearing down things that connect us. We get off on classifying each other and pointing out "What's wrong with you!" We get off on it; feed our flesh on it. Listen to what the Word of God says: Jas 2:4 Did you not make a difference among yourselves and became judges with evil thoughts? BINGO!!! When we start saying "You are this, you are that, they are another thing, I am still another" it is based on what? James points it out: EVIL THOUGHTS! What makes thought evil? Because human thought coming from the human mind, which is enslaved to the human body and in service to the lusts of it is the CORE issue with human beings (me, you and even your therapist!). No, sister. WE ALL have a disorder: Our enslaved mind; enslaved to the lusts of our flesh. What's the cure??? The Mind of Christ and the grace of God. His Mind in us. His mind that is NOT enslaved to ANY human body nor to anything sinful, lustful master. God's Mind, Heart and Thoughts, which are pure, holy, loving, giving, kind, inclusive, one, unified, whole, perfect and so much more. Jesus Christ paved the way for us to enter into this Unity of the Spirit and this is our striving -- to maintain the unity. It sickens me when HUMAN therapist, psycho-babble psychologist start hanging labels on people; classifying, separating, pulling apart, tearing apart and creating DISUNITY. This is not God. What is the mind of God? Jesus made one baseline distinction or classification: Mat 12:30 The one who is not with Me is against Me, and the one who does not gather with Me scatters. So, dear dear dear sister and fellow-laborer in Christ together with me: Of which part are you? For or Against? Gathering in or Scattering Away? Honestly, my heart towards you and towards ALL people, especially those of faith is to gather us in together; to lay aside our human mind, thoughts, thinking and other tools of our enslavement and take up the Mind, Thoughts and Thinking of God, of Christ, of the Father and of the Spirit, until we ALL COME into the place of being ONE MIND and ONE HEART, where we are NOT ALONE. What is the truth sister? What is the truth? Go back to what James wrote. In labeling you with a "disorder", the therapist has done PRECISELY what James was talking about. You've been classified. You're not longer a part of the whole. You're sset apart into another group. Moreover, there is the tone of "down" -- you have a DISORDER! You pariah. You leper! You need to go through life shouting, "Unlean, unclean -- I have adult attachment disorder -- unclean, unclean, unclean." Seems to me Jesus HEALED and made WHOLE. He took what disease and men abhored, made clean and restored! Men (people) use labels, disorders, classifications to become Judges. Now that you've been "labeled" with a "disorder" don't you even judge yourself? Don't you feel judged? Doesn't the judgement make you feel even worse? More separated? More alone? More away? More disunified? More unwelcome? After all - YOU have a disease!!!! YOU are not like everyone else who DOES NOT have the "disorder" -- you pariah! you unclean one you!!! Holy smokes folks -- WAKE UP!!!!!!

Feelings (emotions) come from thoughts. People here who have encouraged you to focus on the Word of God and such things are 100% on the mark. Yet, it takes understanding how you work, how you're broken to be better able to do battle with the greatest two enemies you face: 1) Satan 2) Your own flesh. Please understand: Without the Mind of Christ in you, all you have is your own mind, with the thoughts it produces. The truth is: Your mind and its thoughts are enslaved to the chemical needs (lusts) of your body (flesh). In this case, your body is using your thoughts to produce emotions that you express as "feeling alone". Your body is using these thoughts and emotions to produce chemicals like dopamine. Your body "gets off" on these chemicals and your mind is a slave to a dope addict body (your own). It is an insidiously vicious and self-delusional circle we ALL walk in without Christ (His Mind IN us). The first step towards freedom for you is to undestand this "Cycle of Enslavement" you (and I) are in. Yet, seeing the cycle is merely the step to saying, "I have a need." What is your need? What is my need? To have a choice of which thoughts to focus on. I can focus on my own thoughts. If I am you, then MY thoughts are thoughts of loneliness and perhaps dispair. I can trade my thoughts for the thoughts of another person who is not lonely. If I do so, I can find some relief. This is what psychology tries to do. Yet, the question remains: Am I free? Am I better off? The answer? NO! I am not free or better off. What I have done is to simply trade one set of enslaved thoughts for another. This also happens in religion, where people "feel" converted -- perhaps they are; perhaps they are not. We can confuse conversion with simple transferrence of one set of enslaved thinking for another set (this is what Jesus means when He says, "You compass the entire world to make one convert and when he's converted, you make him twice the child of hell you are!"). If my own thoughts are enslaved and the thoughts of others are enslaved as well, then where do I find hope? I find hope in the offering of God, through Christ. On the one hand, Jesus offers me to put His Spirit (Mind) in me. He offers me His Thinking from His Mind. I now get to choose which body of thought I will rely on: my own -Vs- God's Thoughts. His Thoughts are NOT enslaved to my flesh. His Thoughts offer to me both Life here and now and Life in eternity to come. On the other hand, Jesus offers me grace, forgiveness and the obliteration of my sin debt, which has been incurred because of me living in and from my flesh by way of my enslaved mind, thoughts, feelings and the resulting words and actions, which are blueprinted from what I think and feel. Consider the Word of God: Php 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God which passes all understanding shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, my brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honest, whatever things are right, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there is any virtue and if there is any praise, think on these things. 9 Do those things which you have also learned and received and heard and seen in me. And the God of peace shall be with you. The answer to anxiety is to quit dwelling in the thoughts of your own enslaved mind -BUT- to pick up the Thoughts of God and focus on them. Dwell upon what God Thinks. Meditate. Think. Ponder. Consider. Focus, focus, focus, focus! Forget your own thoughts of your enslaved mind. What did they get you anyway? If your mind is truly enslaved to your flesh and the thoughts of it are only, ever and always at the behest of the lusts of your flesh, then of what value do you place or find in them? Are not the Thoughts of the Living God higher than your thoughts and His Ways higher than yours? And whose thoughts will not return to God void or worthless; yours or His? Consider what Paul thinks of his own thinking -Vs- Christ in him: Php 3:7 But whatever things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Php 3:8 But no, rather, I also count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them to be dung, so that I may win Christ What was Paul formerly counting as gain that he now counts as loss? ALL his Jewish thinking and thought training (religious schooling). Not only this, but ALL his thinking from ANY source that is human in basis and origin. See it in what he wrote? He says, "But no, rather, I also count ALL things to be loss ..." <-- this is Paul extending the boundary from just "Jewish thought" to "ALL thought". Realize as well how Paul understand that all spoken words and actions are always based on thoughts because thoughts are the blueprint or pattern or basis for all words and actions. What of Christ is Paul winning? His Mind, His Thoughts, His Spirit (Mind and Person) imparted INTO Paul (us, you, me, we). Ultimately, in the life to come, we will win Christ in person, in the flesh. Now, presently, we have this down-payment -- the Spirit of God, which is to say -- His Thinking made available to us by the work and resurrection of Christ, who offers us grace, forgiveness and the beginnings of a new mind -- to be paid in full in the time to come. And lest anyone think we "arrive in this life" having the ENTIRE Mind of Christ, listen to the words of Paul on the matter: Php 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect, but I am pressing on, if I may lay hold of that for which I also was taken hold of by Christ Jesus. *************************** Read and listen inwadly to the Words of Jesus below. The quote is LONG, but do NOT skip over. Read every word. Read carefully and look for something: look to find how you are connected. Connected to God. Connected to the Father. Connected to Christ. Connected to brothers and sisters. Connected to people in Christ, to me, to others here, to people around you in your church and in your life. You are NOT alone. Reach out, dismiss your OWN thoughts and take up His Thoughts and Thinking. In them you are connected. Now -- read slowly, carefully and set aside your thinking for His Thinking (Word): Joh 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever, Joh 14:17 the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you. ... Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these words and lifted up His eyes to Heaven and said, Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son so that Your Son also may glorify You, Joh 17:2 even as You have given Him authority over all flesh so that He should give eternal life to all You have given Him. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Joh 17:4 I have glorified You upon the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. Joh 17:5 And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself with the glory which I had with You before the world was. Joh 17:6 I have revealed Your name to the men whom You gave to Me out of the world. They were Yours, and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Joh 17:7 Now they have known that all things, whatever You have given Me, are from You. Joh 17:8 For I have given to them the Words which You gave Me, and they have received them and have known surely that I came out from You. And they have believed that You sent Me. Joh 17:9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. Joh 17:10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I am glorified in them. Joh 17:11 And now I am in the world no longer, but these are in the world, and I come to You, Holy Father. Keep them in Your name, those whom You have given Me, so that they may be one as We are. Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those that You have given Me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. Joh 17:13 And now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world that they might have My joy fulfilled in them. Joh 17:14 I have given them Your Word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Joh 17:15 I do not pray for You to take them out of the world, but for You to keep them from the evil. Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through Your truth. Your Word is truth. Does any of this say, "Because of Me they'll feel utter alone from time to time!" ??? What is the tone? What is the truth? What does the Word of God say here above? What does God think? What are His Thoughts regarding you in Him, Him in you, we as one and the unity of the Spirit? Set aside YOUR thoughts -- for -- HIS!!! :-)

Nothing to shoot down sister! Nothing at all. Going to a church where folks are not responding and helpful is NEVER a fun thing. There are lots of things to point out, like: We don't know the entire story. People are easily hurt and have a great capacity for filtering what they see and hear, culling out ONLY what is "bad" because their own flesh wants to feed on the thoughts and emotions. The flip-side is also true: Church people can not only do the "ignore others" routine, but they can be thoroughly human. They can do the power and control thing, they can be down-right mean or nasty, they can gossip, say ugly things, do ugly things and just be a very unfriendly and ungodly lot. Just hanging a shingle off the front of a building that says, "CHURCH" doesn't mean it's going to be place filled with people filled with His Spirit and working out His Love through them to each other. The thing I see that stops the arguments of "FOR" - Vs - "AGAINST" is simply this: Where is God telling me to be and go? No other answer will ultimately calm a heart. Even if God is saying, "Stay home for a bit." I know I sure did. I quit going to church for about 5 years because of the very reasons being painted in these posts. I was a part of a church that went out of its way to reach out and love. Then it went through a terrible split with a larger fellowship of churches and things changed. People turned selfish and selfcentered. I deplored this and ultimately left. I had the arguments used against me where people said, "Well -- do you reach out? Do you call? Do you visit?" The answer is, "Yes! I did." I went out of my way to call. Had a phone list that I kept in my wallet for years that I would use to just randomly call folks, say hi, say I loved them, was thinking of them and to see about getting with them. Yet, no one responded over time back in kind. I stayed at the church as long as I felt God was saying to stay. Then I fell away. I got bitter. In my bitterness and lack of understanding of myself, I also delved into sin at a breakneck pace that destroyed my first marriage and nearly my second. Five years on I and my precious wife are back in church here in the Atlanta area. The Lord has led me to a wonderful body of believers where people go out of their way to actively seek each other out, help, serve, give and be friendly and outgoing towards each other. They call each other. They email each other. Communication and fellowship are keys and bedrocks in them. Are these people perfect? NO! Do people leave? Yes they do. Do they leave with disgruntlements? You bet. Are they right? Yeah, they might be. Are they petty? Perhaps. Are they brothers and sisters in Christ? The Lord decides and knows. Would I go back to a place of being ignored? Yes -- if the Lord called. I know His voice. I know His Spirit inside me. If He said "Go", I would go. Ultimately, this is NOT about how I feel, how hurt I am, how abused I am, how ignored I am or anything about how or what I am. It is about Him. It is about the Lordship and Kingship of Christ Jesus and the Father. It is about His will and not mine.

It is God who places the members of the body. I do not choose my church -- God does. If I choose, then with what mind am I choosing? If led of the Spirit, then continue to follow the Spirit. Being offended is not a reason to stay, go, come or leave. God places us as He determines, desires, chooses and as it pleases Him. If you are in a church because you know the Lord has placed you, then you'll ride the storm of people being human until God directs you. If you are in a church because God has placed you, then you'll find comfort in that and the strength to maintain. So, you must know for yourself. No one else can directly answer the question. While others can give direction, you must hear from the Lord for yourself on the matter. You must go to Him and seek His speaking to you in your own heart about the matter. I see how you are asking for direction and not asking anyone here to choose for you. So, on that matter, I think you're right on the money. The additional thing to point out is Jesus Christ is your Lord and He plants you where He wants. The Father calls you and places you in the Body of Christ. Now, you seek and ak Him directly for your direct answer. He will tell you.

Blien, ICo 13 is a great scripture, indeed! There are practical and pragmatic things to know as well. Love between a man and a woman lives at many levels all at one time (spiritual, mental, emotional and physical). So, to say "love is NOT a feeling" is a bit mis-stated. Love is not JUST or ONLY a feeling, but love does include feelings (physical, emotional, spiritual and so on). Love touches our senses, but our senses are just a portion of what love is about (between a man and a woman). When it comes to a man and a woman, there is a very high calling in it. This love is an earthly example of the love between Jesus Christ and us (His church). For me -- as a husband -- my deepest call is to love my wife as Jesus loves the church. My life is to be lived with the indwelling, imparting and transformation of my thoughts to His Thoughts living in me -- part of those Thoughts of His will come out of me in an expression of love towards my wife. In this relationship, there is no higher calling I can think of. With that said -- there is a key I have been given of God: "What does Jesus Think?" (WDJT?) If you "love" someone based on your carnal and flesh enslaved mind, thoughts and feelings, your marriage will fail. Let me give an example -- a very personal one! My wife is presently suffering from many physical issues in her body. The result of that is we're unable to function in many ways like two healthy people in a marriage. My reaction to this at first has been quite poor. I have been mad at her, angry, upset and quite prone to expressing it to her in everything from my tone, to anger, to yelling, to the silent treatment and so on. Then one day, I was in church. The Saturday before had a moment of intenseness where I reacted poorly to my wife. I felt right in my reaction and justified in it. The next Sunday morning, the Lord smote me in my spirit. The question was simple: "Larry -- the thoughts behind what you said and what you did to your wife, were they My Thoughts or yours? Did the thoughts result in My Ways or yours? Did you treat your wife like I treat you? Were you thinking of her as I think of you?" Moreover -- He said to me -- "Larry, are you a crippled wife from My point of view? Are you faithful to Me? Are able to be in this marriage relationship with Me and be all that I desire and want?" My answer was, "No Lord, I am NOT faithful and I am NOT able to be all that you want and desire. I am broken." His response back to me? "You bet! What you've said is true! Yet, what do I think of you? How do I treat you? How do I talk to you? How do I respond to you?" My reply, "In all things Lord, you are faithful, forgiving, loving and caring towards me. You are kind and respectful of me. You don't hold my handicaps against me. You provide for me. You love me deeply and truly. You don't react in anger and yell at me, make me cry and make me feel bad -- you lift me, help me, heal me and console me." I cannot tell you the healthy shame I felt and DO now feel! I was cut to my core! If you would have asked me before this instant if I loved my wife, I would have said, "Yes!" Yet, now -- looking back. I think I do love her, but my expression of love was not with His Mind and His Thoughts, but with my own, coming from my mind, my natural and enslaved mind -- it showed up in what I did and what I said -- AND -- HOW I said it -- my tone (anger and unforgiveness). My thoughts hurt her and ultimately hurt me. My thinking made her cry. My thinking yelled. My thinking was enraged with selfishness. My thoughts led to pain in her and also in me. My thoughts were about feeding my own selfish flesh and not about loving like God. I saw the thing instantly as the Lord Jesus Christ pointed it out to me. It chokes me up now to go back to that place in my heart and mind. I repented before the Lord on the spot! Repent means: I agreed with God that He is right and His Thinking is right and I need His Thinking and not mine. Yet -- my peace was not complete. I needed to go to the one I had hurt and repent there as well. I went to my wife immediately. I held her hand and shared all these things with her. In the end, I found not only restoration and peace, but a deep lesson in life for me to grow in my inward man into being like Christ (a Christian) instead of men ("Quit you like men!" Romans). My wife overjoyed at hearing the work of God and we are closer and happier today than we've ever been. Does she still have the physical problems? For the moment -- yes. But -- for me -- the landscape has changed. I am learning how to love her with the Love of the Lord Jesus -- the same love that He has for me and for you and for us all. What a wonderful and marvelous thing it is to serve the Living and True God! Brother -- that day was a gift from God to me and to her. Jesus broken in on me: a man living from the nasty wicked thoughts of my own selfish and enslaved mind. He gave me a jewel in the place of my rags and filth: What does Jesus Think? -- AND -- What is Jesus Thinking? Asking this question brings me starkly back from my own thoughts, directly to His Own! Putting my focus THERE (on His Thoughts) sets up mine -- Vs -- His. This allows me to choose! The net result has been: My awareness is up on high around how I think about my wife. It gives me reason to search the scriptures for how God Thinks of me and from that Thinking, what He does and says and HOW He does it and HOW He says it! When I then set aside my thinking for His, I am free. I get the Love of Him operating IN me. The benefits are there. The blessing comes as a matter of His Thinking being worked out in me. The product: I love my wife -- not with my selfishness, but ever growing capacity to Love her truly from His renewed Mind inside of me. In this we are BOTH blessed, lifted and given life and hope. If you want love, then find the Mind of Christ. One key I have is to now ask myself, "What is Jesus Thinking about ______?" (fill in the blank) Examples: What is Jesus Thinking about ... ... what my wife just said? ... about what I just said? ... about what my boss is doing? ... about what my son just did? ... about _______? <-- I think you can get the point from here!

The matter behind this is not so important. This is a response I wrote to what I was sent and because I am human, fallen, yet saved by Grace, I understand I have limited sight. So, I think it is important to get feedback. One more thing to note in what you've written above. In your mind, in your thoughts, you see what is written as a judgement. Perhaps there is another view. Perhaps the words are written to offer you another persons view in hopes you'll become a better person, more like Christ and have more of the Mind of Christ in you? Honestly, brother. I am not writing to you looking for a fight, looking for contention, looking for division or looking to stir my flesh or yours. I wrote what I did and do write here still to you in hopes of bringing to us both the Mind of Christ in us and freedom from our mutual condition: our minds enslaved to the lusts of our flesh. This is not about judging you or condemning you; in so doing I would be doing the same to myself. This is about bringing to bear the Mind of Christ in direct opposition to our mutual enslaved mind, where our thoughts and resulting emotions are slaves to the feeding of the lusts of our flesh. My hope is our mutual freedom from this slavery, both for you first and myself as well. I point this out to give you the backdrop of my comments to you. Yes, the tone of what I wrote was not light, fluffy and so on. It was hard, direct, to the point, no punches pulled. I do this with myself as well -- ALL THE TIME! 1Co 9:26 So I run accordingly, as not uncertainly; so I fight, as not beating air; 27 but I buffet my body and lead it captive, lest proclaiming to others I myself might be disapproved. Again -- 2Co 10:5 pulling down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought into the obedience of Christ; These two verses are linked, though the linkage may not seem immediately apparent. To get the linkage, requires understanding of how we're broken, how we're enslaved. Our flesh uses our thoughts and resulting emotions as a response mechanism. Our flesh responds to our thoughts and emotions by producing chemicals (i.e. Dopamine and others). The flesh has an appetite (lust) for these chemicals. The contents of the thinking doesn't matter. What matters is what results from thinking and feeling emotions: chemistry and lust feeding in the flesh. Our mind is enslaved to the feeding of the lusts of the flesh. The Mind of Christ is NOT so enslaved. The freedom of Christ is that He paid our sin debt on the cross, but that is NOT the end of the story. The completion of the story (in this life) is the delivery of the Spirit of God (Mind of Christ) into us, to the end that we would have something of the UNENSLAVED and FREE Mind of Christ in us, that we would not longer walk according to (enslaved to) the flesh and the lusts of it, but walk (live, act) according to (enslaved) to the Mind of Christ. Thus -- the simple question arises! When we think, feel and then speak and act from our thoughts and feelings -- from what mind are we thinking, feeling, speaking and acting? From what mind are we "according" (enslaved) to? Is it our natural mind enslaved to the flesh -- OR -- the Mind of Christ enslaved to God, the Father, the Son and the Spirit? Here is where "fruit inspecting" becomes real. The core to remember is how the natural mind has a master: The lusts of the flesh and the result of the natural mind will ALWAYS be in service to this master: feeding the lusts of the flesh. The Mind of Christ on the other hand is NOT so enslaved, but is enslaved to God, to the Father, Son and Spirit. The thoughts, feelings, speaking and acting of the Mind of Christ born in us will be in service to God -- Love, Faith, Hope, Humility, Compassion, Help, Benefit, Grace, Purity, Holiness, Godliness and such things -- against which there is NO condemnation, but freedom and life! I hope something in all of this helps you, lifts you, clarifies things for you and -- most of all -- brings you to the understanding so distinguish the Mind of Christ from your natural mind operating in you. Finally, this now is the link between the two verses. In one we have Paul pointing out how he fights and beats his flesh into submission. How does he do that? By the second verse -- he pulls down the fortresses of thoughts built up over the years in himself, from his natural mind and brings those thoughts captive to Christ (the Mind of Christ) in himself. This is THE process to which the Spirit of God in us leads us. The putting off of the old enslaved mind, thoughts, emotions, speaking and acting -- putting on the newness of Christ in us (the Mind of Christ born in us of the Spirit of God as a Gift of the Father BY the work and sacrifice of the Son of God -- Jesus Christ).

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time. And just as you have heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which we know that it is the last hour. 1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us. 1Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 1Jn 2:21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist. I can state to you the reality that Mr. Eckhart Tolle does not believe in Jesus Christ as Son; does not believe in the Father and does not believe in the Spirit of God. Nor does he believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, the Great I AM or the annointed Messiah, Savior of the world -- you and I. As a non-believer, Mr. Tolle fits the "profile" put forth by James in the scripture above. Mr. Tolle uses Jesus Christ only in ways that he chooses (a-la-carte) in order to borrow from the credibility of Jesus Christ to bring himself an air of credibiilty. Yet, not the true credibility, but the validity and credibility that people have in themselves. Mr. Tolle has some interesting and wonderful revelations to a VERY SMALL degree. Yet, he misses the greatest camel of all -- swallowing it whole: Mr. Tolle has no clue of his enslavement to his own flesh and that TRUE FREEDOM is found in the impartation of the Spirit of God and the transformation of our enslaved human mind in to the Mind of Christ born in us OF the Spirit (Mind) of God, Spirit of Truth. I have read two of Mr. Tolle's books, from cover to cover. I have listened to one of his CD sets many times. I find there is a kernel of truth, but the kernel is overshadowed hugely by the mountain of error: chiefly -- He has zero clue of the source of his mental enslavement and cannot see his need for the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth and the transformation of his mind from enslavement to his flesh to freedom by the impartation of the Mind of Christ in him. Mr. Tolle quote Jesus Christ in small degrees to support his wisdom, his way, his thoughts and his mind, which is feeding his flesh and is deeply enslaved to the lusts of his flesh. He believes he has freedom from thought, when in actual reality he is still deeply enslaved to the lusts of his flesh and does not know the gift of the Spirit of God, which is the inborn Mind of Christ formed in him, free from bondage to the lusts of his flesh. This is most obvious is his lack of knowing to lead others to Christ, to worshipping the Father in the Spirit and in Truth. The is further demonstrated in the fact that he hold other "prophets" and "spiritual leaders" much higher than Jesus Christ (i.e. Buddha, Muhammad, et al). Thus, as I have stated already, the small kernel of truth is swallowed up in the mountain of error and made to no affect as only true freedom is born of the Mind of Christ born in us by the Spirit of God, to the glory, lifting and worship of the Father. While I find the kernel of truth he does have is powerful, it is ONLY so when placed in context of Jesus Christ and the Word of God. Outside of being subject to Christ and acknowledgement of Jesus Christ for who He actually is -- Son of God, Savior, King, Lord and so on -- the core truth to what Mr. Tolle speaks to is powerless to bring salvation. It does bring a facade of peace, but is quickly consumed in gross errors that come with the lack of understanding. Chiefly, I am referring to a mind and heart with no understanding, no barriers and no warning of the works of the flesh, works of the devil and works of the world. Mr. Tolle NEVER talks about Satan, never talks about hell, never talks about judgement and Christ as Judge. Mr. Tolle never speaks to prophecy, never eludes to Christ coming again. Instead, Mr. Tolle, in his blind and flesh decieved ignorance openly embraces more doctrines of devils and indeed, lifts up new age concepts of spiritualism (i.e. The Flowering of Human Consciousness). Mr. Tolle walks straight-away from the divinity of Jesus Christ and pointing to the Father and walks directly into the path of Humanism and the New Age movement. Mr. Eckhart Tolle is as we ALL are without the Mind of Christ in us: Indelibly human, bound, enslaved and filled with sin, wickedness, lies and beholden to the father of them; Satan himself. In this way, he fits the profile and description as laid out by James that there are MANY antichrists gone out into the world. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He who denies the Father and the Son is antichrist.

Hahaha ... my kids used to say to me, "But Dad!!!!" ... One time they said it and I looked back at them quizzically and replied, "Did you just call me a butt-dad???" They thought that was pretty funny, so from then on we all get a laugh out of it whenever they want to whine at me about something. I just give em' they "eye" and ask, "You're not calling me a butt-dad are ya?"

"Sorry Sir...but you are wrong!" What I am is not the issue. Right, truth and wisdom is justified of itself and needs no human to validate it -- including me or you. You clearly haven't read one iota about this religion, their doctrines, or their practices. This is a mental fiction in your mind. You don't know me and you don't know what I have read and what I have not read. You neither know my life, my experiences or my knowledge. I happen to be married to an ex-Mormon and have studied Mormonism for more than 25 years. While the subject is not the primary focus of my life, I know the inward dealings of the Mormon church not only through study but through many hours of talking with and hearing my wife, who experienced the wickedness of the cult first-hand. Even recently, my mother-in-law, who now lives with us at 88 years old, was "ex-communicated" from the Mormon church in a rather telling and revealing letter from the local "Bishop." So, contrary to your assertion of my having not "one iota" of knowledge about this religion, their doctrines and their practices, I am very well aquainted with them and what they believe. You don't have to like it (heck, I don't even like it) but what I've written about them is true. What you've written reveals your own lack of understanding of your own and our own human nature, how we're fallen, what it means to live in accordance with the flesh and not walking and living by the Spirit of God (Romans 8). What you've written is barely the surface of the matter and the truth and reality of the matter extends well beyond what you've written. Your points are surface and diversionary, misleading, misguided and a partial buy-in to the lies that these FLDS men and women have had foisted upon them by others in their long lineage, leading back to Satan, himself. These guys didn't make this religion up. I don't even know where you got that. You are correct to say you do not know where I "got that." If you knew what I was talking about, you'd not be tossing this back and forth with me. You'd see the senselessness of your point, the fault and disconnection from reality -- aka -- insanity of what you've written. Not only the insanity, but it brushes right up against the very doors of sin itself. This religion was passed down to them by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Here you are justifying them. They chose. Brainwashed -- yes. Foisted upon -- yes. Lied to -- yes. But do you think such things will nulify them and justify them for the truth of their fallenness when they actually do stand before God? Do you think that God will blink, wink and nod them into heaven and toss the blame on Joseph Smith and Brigham Young? And what of Joe and Mr. Young? Will they too pass along their own fallenness to whoever came before them? Shall we all just pass our sin and fallen nature ad naseum back to Adam and point at him when Jesus comes to judge the quick and the dead? Your words above -- not mine -- YOURS -- are words of passing blame. You not once have seen and indeed cannot see at this time (perhaps in future time you will -- God willing) how these men in this FLDS compound are 100% living in their carnality, flesh, lusts and sexual immorality and glossing it over to themselves, to each other, to their women, to their "girls" and, indeed to the whole world with religious terms and "I didn't know" hogwash! They are wolves in sheeps clothing. They are whitewashed tombs which appear good on the outward but inwardly are full of death. What is the outside of the tomb? What is the inside? The outside are the religious thoughts, the dogmas, the doctrines and such things. The inward death is the lusts of the flesh to which the outward thoughts, mind and emotions of man are enslaved in service to. You might be interested to know that there are actively 12 million people who follow their teachings as members of their church. Irrelevant. There is even a major accredited University named after one of them. Also irrelevant. Thats who passed this legacy onto these "guys." They didn't make this stuff up. The founders of the Mormon church told them that if they wanted to get to heaven...this was the way! It is made up. Whether they orignated the fullness of the story or just part -- it is still made up. It is NOT reality. Reality and Truth are found in the Mind of Christ, the Word of God and the Spirit of Truth. The things believed by the FLDS and the LDS church (regardless of how many followers or universities there are) are NOT Truth, NOT reality, NOT the Mind of Christ and NOT of the Spirit of God. You are correct that you are not defending the FLDS. I get that. Nevertheless, you ARE defending in your point of view of them. You've written some sick and twisted things and THAT is what the responses here to you are about. No one is arguing with you that these FLDS people are not religious, nor are we denying that THEY have some religious belief structure they use to motivate and justify what they do. My sole testimony here to you is to merely point out how there is a deeper matter going on in these FLDS people, and indeed -- is going on in ALL humanity, not just them. They still follow the precepts and doctrines set forth by these two men. They live their lives by the "bibles" ( I use the term loosely) and visions these two men claimed to have. It is absolutely preposterous to claim these FLDS people made this stuff up for sexual pleasure. I think its time for you to show some proof of your claims. Proof: All human beings are enslaved. Enslaved to what and how are we enslaved? We are enslaved to the lusts of our flesh. What is enslaved: Our minds! Our thoughts come from our minds. Our emotions come because of our thoughts. What does this have to do with the lusts of the flesh? Simple: the lusts of the flesh is referring to the pleasure the flesh feels from the chemical reactions and responses in it. Thoughts and emotions produce chemical responses in our flesh. Our flesh is addicted to its own chemistry. It enslaves our minds to produce thoughts that produce emotions, from the thoughts and emotions, the flesh responds with chemical reactions on which the lusts of the flesh feed. The flesh derives pleasure from these chemical responses to thought and emotion. Sexual thoughts coming from an enslaved mind are for one purpose and ONE only -- NOT to glorify God in the God created act of sexual relations between a husband and wife -- BUT -- to the express purpose of feeing the lusts of the flesh for the chemical pleasures released during the sex act. Thus, sex based on the mind of man enslaved to the flesh is sensual, devilish and wicked. Sexuality based on the Mind of Christ, which is NOT enslaved to the lusts of the flesh is godly (God-like) and OF God. The thoughts used by the flesh do NOT have to be relavant, real, rational or right. All human thought comes from our human mind which is bound and enslaved to the flesh and the lusts thereof. The ONLY thoughts we can know that are NOT bound to the flesh or to Satan himself are the thoughts of Almighty God -- put in us by His Spirit of Truth, birthing in us the Mind of Christ. The Mind of Christ is NOT bound to the flesh of men or to the devil. Thus, we have two opposing forces -- the Mind of God, the Mind of Christ, the Spirit of God -- VS -- the mind of men, the mind of the devil, the flesh of man and the wickedness of a world system born of them. If I have NOT the Spirit of God, if I have NOT the Mind of Christ, then the ONLY mind I have left is the ENSLAVED one in me; enslaved to my flesh and the lusts of it. Jesus said it this way in the gospel of John: Joh 8:44 You are of the Devil as father, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and did not abide in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it. Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, you do not believe Me. Joh 8:46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do you not believe Me? Joh 8:47 He who is of God hears God's Words. Therefore you do not hear them because you are not of God. So, the question is: Are the thoughts of these FLDS men of the Spirit of God, the Mind of Christ and the Mind of God -- OR -- are their thoughts of their flesh and the mind of the devil? Which one is it? It cannot be both. If their thoughts (religious as they may be) are not of God, nor of His Spirit, nor of the Mind of Christ, then they are sensual, devilish and of their minds, which are enslaved to the lusts of their flesh. Does God, the Spirit of God, the Mind of Christ put into them the acts they have committed? Does the Spirit of God and Mind of Christ live as the source thinking of the actions of these men? You be the judge, but be careful how you judge, lest it be shown where your own mind and heart reside. Again...the busting up of this group doesn't bother me one bit. I just wish it could have been done without eroding the rights of American citizens. The so-called "rights" of American citizens does not trump, surpass or rise above the reality of the source of the thinking of these men and women in the FLDS compound, church, university or the whole stinking Mormon Tabernacle Chior! Rights is not the issue. The source of thinking and the enslavement or the freedom of Human beings in Christ IS THE ISSUE! All other "issues" are a smokescreen and a diversion for the human base mind to serve up on a platter to the master of lusts and appetites thereof. Just wait until CPS finds out that the majority of the Christian church believes in beating their kids with straps of leather, sticks, household utensils, or even with their own hands! No -- Wait until all humanity stands before God and is judged. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess! Yea, rather, I'd sooner see all my "rights" erode to nothing than to forego all the world hearing this glorious good news that they can escape the prison of their own flesh and enslaved mind. God, through Jesus Christ is offering to us TRUE freedom and TRUE rights. The rights of America is not born of men, but of God. America has a greater need than a constitution -- America needs a revival of knowing from where ALL men have fallen and to what ALL MEN are bound, without Christ and His Mind born IN us! Maybe now they can just bust into any old church and start an investigation ripping children away from parents based on some random phony phone call. For the good of the kids of course. What you are screaming so shrill and loudly about is a paltry pittence in the face of the true bondage that holds men, women and children of the ENTIRE WORLD in slavery to. Return this nation to God and she'll return common sense and righteous to government. Leave this nation and its people in the unknown and deceptive bondage to lusts and the mind corrupted and enslaved and I care not what constitution you write, or what law officer you have or what court or what justice system -- only pain and wickedness will arise. Go read the Federalist papers of our founding (an imperfect bound human) fathers and you'll see them saying very similar things. You are wasting your time, effort, emotion and intentions on a thing that barely matters. What matters most of all is the inward freedom of a man having the Mind of Christ within him! Oh yes -- final thing -- Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the higher authorities (TX Rangers, CPS). For there is no authority but of God; the authorities that exist are ordained by God. Rom 13:2 So that the one resisting the authority resists the ordinance of God; and the ones who resist will receive judgment to themselves. Rom 13:3 For the rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the bad. And do you desire to be not afraid of the authority? Do the good, and you shall have praise from it. Rom 13:4 For it is a servant of God to you for good. For if you practice evil, be afraid, for it does not bear the sword in vain; for it is a servant of God, a revenger for wrath on him who does evil. Rom 13:5 Therefore you must be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience' sake. Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes. For they are God's servants, always giving attention to this very thing. Rom 13:7 Therefore give to all their dues; to the one due tax, the tax; tribute to whom tribute is due, fear to whom fear is due, and honor to whom honor is due.

They can spin that yarn all they want and you can regurgitate all you like: Men 40+ marrying 13, 14 and 15 year old GIRLS is not about religion and beliefs. Religion and beliefs are smoke and mirrors to a man with justification for being a depraved pervert. These guys made this "religion" up, invented it, concocted it, imagined it and conceived it in their ENSLAVED minds for the purpose of feeding their flesh and the lusts thereof. You can spin this crap of "their beliefs" all you like, but it's a smoke and mirrors lie to shield and cover over simple fornication, lust and sexual wickedness. You may not be writing what you are looking for approval, but that doesn't make an expression of distaste by anyone here wrong simply because they think what you've written is a sick and perverted point of view. What appears to be true is that you are, yourself, feeding on the debate itself -- you on one side and others on the other. THIS is not Christ-like unless one side is truly sin: What those men have done to those girls is sexually perverted sin -- point blank. There's no excusing it. No "religious" belief that makes it "Ok" -- NONE! You are defending the indefensible, no matter what spin or point of view you put on it. What those men have done is not justifiable -- explainable perhaps -- but no where near justifiable, right, good, wholesome and so on. I agree with what this other person has said -- these young girls are not "breeding stock mares" to be "studded" to increase the "herd". We, they, us are people -- PEOPLE -- twisted, fallen, hurt, sinful and so on. Nothing about this can be condoned or otherwise justified. Again -- you are defending the indefensible.

This is one of the sickest statements I have ever read in my life.....these girls aren't MARES! They are human beings and, as such, should be taken out of there no matter who it hurts. How in the world do you know this stuff anyway??? It's a cult; they aren't giving interviews about their secret rites. And their 'deep spiritual convictions' have produced hundreds, maybe thousands of children, out of wedlock, whose family trees are so messed up that only God can figure them out; this is due to incest. Half of those kids don't even know their own last names! Oh how I agree!! I cannot believe this person is actually defending these men and women. Unreal.

1) No one can expect you to agree 100%. I can't expect it of myself or anyone else. 2) Simple or complex, abuse is abuse, wrong is wrong, sin is sin. 3) Are you saying that the article being posted by a man removes credibility or authenticity from the matter? I sure hope not. 1) They did not split up mothers and children based on their religious beliefs. They split them up because mothers were turning over thier YOUNG teenage girls for arranged marriages with much older men, which is flat wrong and against the law. They did NOT split them up over disagreements with religious beliefs at all. Tha is a fiction in your mind. 2) The FACT that the call was a hoax is moot and irrelevant. Once on-site, those officers who are sworn to serve and protect found clear and probable cause of a crime against these young girls and children. Those officers are duty bound and lawfully bound to serve and protect. They are bound to take probable cause and investigate. That the original reason for going there was a hoax is irrelevant. Consider -- if they had arrived there and found NOTHING wrong, they would have been equally duty bound and lawfully bound to apologize and leave. The fact that they remained and followed through is based on evidence and not conspiracy theories or lack of repect for the constitional "rights" of the people in the compound. Those children have a right to NOT be abused, married, had sex with and be unwitting participants in a "older man sex ring!" Scream about the constitution all you want, but the well-being of those kids is the paramount matter. Moreover, I don't think anyones constitutional "rights" were violated at all. *See answer #2 above. 1) What way would you suggest they do "it" (i.e. protect innocent children from abusive, sex-crazed "older men"? Suggest another way. Make the suggestion and use the present "law" of the land to do it. In other words -- put up or shut up! You scream shrill and loud about the constitution and walk right by kids being abused to wave the banner of constitutional rights. I agree that the constitution needs to be upheld, but not to the extent where we ignore common dutiful sense to innocent lives being abused. 2) We take PRECISELY the steps those officers took when they are faced with children being abused in what amounts to a sex-slave-trade system in an in-bred, secretive, hiding, coniving, lying, controlling group of adults. The MEN are 110% culpable and some of the women are as well, to some or to a lesser degree. All your hand waving and hand-wringing over the constitution is not about to stand and fly in the face of the degree of abuse that has been put stop to by the actions of these very fine officers of the law in the great state of Texas! 1) We do all sorts of things in this country and make mistakes. We do let murders go to murder again. We let child molesters go to molest again. I understand rights. I understand constitution. I get it. You've made your point. So have I, it seems. End of the story-line is this: Children Well-being -- VS -- Constitutional Rights of Perpetrator Child-molester Adults (aka FLDS Men & Women) -- hmmmmmm ... which one shall I ever choose as the most compelling thing to act upon????

Laura is telling the plain bold truth and reality of the matter. Will the TX officials, social workers, police, child-psychologists and others get some things wrong along the way? YOU BET! However, when held up in relative comparison to the abuses of this religionized "sex ring" for "older men", the sins of the state are much less severe than the sins of the adult men AND women in that compound (FLDS). As for the matter of "allowing" the FLDS to go on about its business for these many decades, THAT is a sin of the state that WE THE PEOPLE need to address. We the people write and vote for the laws of this land. We the people have turned our backs on those kids and women! We the people shoulder some of the sin of the matter, so let's be somewhat circumspect in our assessment of passing out blame. The compound and others like it, ought not be allowed to exist much less continue for DECADES of abuse! Men in that place have been facilitated by our (We the people) INACTION! We bear some of the blame for turning the other way and just allowing it to go on, when we know FULL WELL what what goes on inside those places. The TX state police, Rangers and other officials were spot on for raiding the place, guns drawn, SWAT teams and all! To hell with people claiming the "rights" of these men to continue and perpetuate and thumb their noses at common decency and TRUE and REAL love of family, wives and children -- heck -- even love of their own selves (in a rightful, well-being way). The matter is heartbreaking and sick. I, for one, am thankful the compound was raided, children removed and something is being done. I hope other polygamist compounds and setups will be likewise "handled" and erradicated.

Avast me hearties! Me thinks our scuppers have been scrubbed! "Black Liberation Theology" is simply human beings being human. We adore having a collection of thoughts to produce emotions from which to FEED OUR FLESH! We get off on it. Rev. J Wright is not suprising and neither is Obama for sitting there and listening to it for 20 years or more. Yet, I live in the south and can tell you first hand of how the "battle" between white and black continues to play out in ways that are both obvious and hidden in the shadows. On every side and in every person, I see the flesh working, feeding, the thoughts, the emotions -- the thoughts that proclaim the righteousness of the speaker and the damnation of the "enemy". I see it in myself. I see it in the posts on this thread. Look behind it all. Look behind the details of the thoughts from ANYONE -- from all of us! Look behind. See the mechanism that drives it: Our bodies respond chemically to what we think and the resulting feelings. Our minds are ENSLAVED to the chemical addictions of our flesh. We are deceived into believing our thoughts as though they are real -- for what purpose? So the flesh can sit back and feed. We love a good battle. We adore when someone is right, someone is wrong, someone is up, someone is down, someone is a villian and someone a perpetrator. We don our armor of crusader and jihadist and and build an ever larger fortress of thought and emotion that we then sit in, stew in, drip in, wallow in -- all the while -- never NEVER aware that our flesh is feeding on it all. Convinced in our deceived little sinful selves that we are "RIGHT!" I see it here. I see it in me. I see it in politics. I see it this one against that one. I see human beings going insane because we are so deeply deceived by our own flesh and it feeding on our thoughts and emotions. The question though is this? What do you see? Jesus said there are only TWO sides: God -- Vs -- Satan (devil and human flesh enslaved to him). Race is not a side. Religion is not a side. Political party is not a side. Not one whit of it will matter before a Holy and Righteous God! You're either in reality, in truth, in God, with Him through Christ Jesus or -- YOU'RE NOT! How do you know? How can I know? By understanding how I am and you are broken. By understanding how we're enslaved: Our flesh enslaves our mind in a collection of thoughts and emotions that we continually live in and wallow in. We're pigs in a trough of thinking and emotions bound to the lusts, desires, cravings and wicked appetites of this flesh we're bound up in presently. When you -- when I -- when WE -- see the truth of this mechanism of bondage THEN we can start looking for TRUE freedom! And what is true freedom you may ask? The Mind of Christ -- the Mind of Him IN YOU (in me -- in US) that is NOT bound, not enslaved, not deceived -- but truly free. This is what the word "Spirit" is pointing at. The word is actually "Mind" -- i.e. Spirit of God == Mind of God. Yes, the Spirit of God is a person of the Trinity, but He is what is breathed into us. He IN us is what is UNBOUND and NOT enslaved to our flesh. Walk by the Mind of God (Spirit) and not by the flesh. Look it up. Study it out. Read it. Discover. Do NOT trust what you think. What you think may be in service to your flesh. You'll know it because you'll be prone to going back to thoughts over and over again which produce an emotional high. Those bound in sexual sin -- you act out because of your thoughts. You are bound to thoughts, memories, emotions and then also to the "getting off" of your flesh. Alcoholics -- the same is true of you. Those Depressed -- the same is true of you. You are bound to thoughts of self-loathing and being powerless -- NOT because it is true -- BUT -- because as you are dwelling in your thoughts and resulting emotions, those very thoughts are FEEDING your flesh. Your body is responding with chemicals that your flesh is feeding on, consuming, getting high off of. You are GOADED into continuing in your self-depraving thoughts and emotions because YOUR mind is enslaved to your flesh and your flesh USES your mind as a slave to produce thoughts it needs to produce the chemistry it is addicted to! You who are bound to ANGER -- same is true of you. You find yourself triggered more and more towards anger to dwell there because your flesh is feeding as well. You bound to GAMBLING -- it is the same. You who get off on Politics and the arguing of it -- it is the same. You are bound. You use politics and the arguing and the thoughts and the emotions to feed from. You don't even know it. You think you're right and the other party is wrong. You argue, fight, bicker and wage a battle of words and for what end? So you can convince someone to come feed their flesh the same way you do!!!!????? It's NOT about right and wrong. It's about you being a slave to your flesh and clueless in the midst of it! Bound to whatever -- we ALL have the same core behind it. The details in front change. The thoughts change. The emotions change. The actions from those thoughts and emotions change -- BUT -- the core driver behind the whole deception is so stinking simple: FLESH LUSTS! Feeding from your thoughts -- producing chemical responses to thoughts you think and emotions you feel. YOU ARE A SLAVE! WAKE UP! Wake up from the dreamworld of your thinking and slavery to freedom! You're like Neo in the Matrix. You're living in a dreamworld. You're thoughts and life in them is NOT reality. You are a SLAVE! WAKE UP!

The "Lord" showed you. The LORD showed you? Jesus is a Democrat? Jesus supports the Democrats? Jesus is a Republican? Jesus attends the GOP RNC meetings and throws-in with them? Jesus went down to the DMV, got His drivers license and opted to sign a voter registration card for one party or another??? The Lord showed you not to be a "conservative"? Have you lost your mind? Are you insane? Do you understand the insanity of that statement? Jesus IS God (I AM)! Jesus submits to the Father and to God ALONE.