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Shiloh was correct in the point that Galatians kept trying to go back to the old law. Galatians 3:10-13 King James Version (KJV) 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: This is speaking of the old law, but remember we are still under a law, just not the old law. We are under the law of Christ. We are still commanded to keep from sin and to do good. All Christians were once sinners and without a law there is no sin. Romans 7:6-8 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. What you have to do is be able to tell the difference between when the scriptures are speaking of the old testament laws and when it is speaking of the laws of Christ. The OT laws won't justify us before God, but we are still commanded to follow the commandments (laws) of Christ in the NT. 1 John 3:3-5 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that withing the past 70+ years people began to minimize the effects and teachings of the scriptures. Like it has been pointed out above, Jesus taught about Lazaras and the rich man describing the torments in hell and Revelation expounds upon it more in that all those in hell will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Hell is the "holding tank" for lack of better definition, until judgement day. Then all those who are hell will be cast into the lake of fire.

Well if a person renounces the Lord Jesus Christ (remember Peter denied Him also) and never repents of that then I agree they are lost. So basically, I would agree with your statement. If we sin and confess our sin, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin. John 1:9 This is correct. God looks at the heart. We all sin, but if our heart is to get back up and serve God he is merciful to forgive us, but if we in our Christianity decide that living the life and wanting to go back into the world, like Demas, we are throwing away our chance at eternal live for a life of sin. Once we do this we lose the HS and it is impossible to get it back, hence the no sacrifice.

In actuality, it is when you are baptized for the remission of your sins and THEN you receive the gift of the HS. Acts 2:38 When we believe in the gospel and follow its' plan we receive the HS. It takes more than just believing and/or praying for it. Anyway God hears not the prayers of a sinner (John 9:31) There are times in the bible that they are speaking of the receiving the gift of the HS, which is different of this time. Today we receive it by obeying the gospel as the people did in the last part of Acts 2nd chapter.

Is there a Scripture for this, that the Holy Spirit no longer falls upon us? ~~ Acts 8 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. 13 Even Simon himself believed ; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. 14 Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, 15 who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16 For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Acts 19 1 It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. 2 He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed ?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3 And he said, "Into what then were you baptized ?" And they said, "Into John's baptism." 4 Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. 7 There were in all about twelve men. You are taking something that God allowed to be done back then to done to us today. The Apostles could pass on the gifts to people, but those people could not pass them on to anybody else. The specific gifts of speaking in tongues (which is nothing more than speaking another language to spreday the gospel to other nations), healing, drinking poison, rasing the dead, causing others to die (Anninias and Saphira), heall the sick, etc. The next time you think that these abilities the HS gave them back them apply to you today then trying doing everything they had the ability to do. If you really believe that we get the HS in the form of the same gifts that they got back then you should be able to everything that they did back then. The way it was supposed to be for the rest of us and was promised to all those afar off is that when we hear the goepel and are pricked in our hearts we are supposed to repent and be baptized for the remission of our sins and THEN we will receive the gift of the HS. This is the faith that we aree saved by. After I hear the gospel through faith I repent and get baptized because through my faith I will have my sins remitted and get the HS. Through faith I know my sins will be forgiven in baptism**. Through my faith I know that I am added to the church. Through my faith I take the Lord's Supper or I have no life in me. Through my faith I daily repent of my sins and pray to God for forgiveness. Through faith I continue in the faith or I will be cut off (Rom 11:22). I show my faith through my works (obeying the gospel) **Colossians 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Our sins are cut away.

What we were commissioned to do is only what we can do. We cannot baptize anyone in the Holy Spirit. That, my friend, comes from God and Him alone. Can you see this? You misunderstand what I was saying. I never said that we baptize anyone in the HS. The baptism the Apostles were commissioned to do is the baptism of water and I know that we can't baptize with the HS. That happed on the day of Pentecost and was for the help of spreading the gospel.

The Bible doesn't teach that we no longer receive this baptism. On the contrary, Acts 2:39 says, "For this promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." This baptism, in Acts 2:39, refers to water baptism, not baptism of HS.

The Bible doesn't teach that we no longer receive this baptism. On the contrary, Acts 2:39 says, "For this promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." No, I don't attend a tongue speaking church. The baptism spoken of this passage is speaking of the water batism. The Apostles were commisioned by Jesus to go into all the world preaching the word and baptizing. (Mat 28) Since the Apostles cleary could not baptize people with the HS they could only do it with water. Look at this passage - Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. They were baptized and then they had Apostles hands put on them to receive the HS. Many teach we are baptized in or with the HS to get him. This batism was with water and even the Ethiopian eunich was baptized in water after he was taught. When you keep the same thought through this whole process you see the picture clearly. 1. John the Baptist baptized in WATER for repentance 2. When Jesus came to John the Baptist he and his disciples were baptized in WATER 3. Jesus taught that were are born of the Spirt by WATER (John 3) 4. The last commision that Jesus gave to his Apostles was to go into the world baptizing in the name of the Father, Son, and HS (Apostles can't baptize with HS, so it had to be water) 5. The day of Pentecost there were over 3,000 souls saved AFTER they were baptized for the remission iof their sins. Again, the Apostles couldn't baptize anybody with the HS so it had to be water. 6. After the Ethiopian eunich was taught he was batized with water. 7. Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? - Done with WATER 8. Acts 19:4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. WATER BAPTISM What people are doing is taking certain miracles that happened at the time of the spreading of the gospel at that time and applying them today. All the while dismissing the things that we are supposed to be doing as not necessary. It is easier to live by the exception than by the rule.

I don't deny the scriptures, but what is being said is that the baptism that we now recieve is the baptism of the HS nd that is incorrect as the scripture states that there is only one baptism and that is the baptism that the Apostles were commissioned to to do and teach. Acts 2:38 states that we receive the HS after that baptism. The baptism that is being expressed by the OP is one that was done at that time to help spread the gospel, but we no longer receive.

You are wrong. You were right though about baptism washing us by water. I will begin here - Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, As you see, there is only one baptism, but which one is that? There is one that we were actually commissioned to partake of and to exercise. Matthew 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: You see that even Jesus was baptized in water to set the example. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Now, we know that the baptism of the HS existed, but that was given to the Christians at that time so that they can carry on the spreading of the gospel, but what Jesus had commissioned the Apostles to do is to go into all the world baptizing and we know that no human can baptize people with the HS. Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? The Apostles were baptizing with water, not the HS and there is only one baptism. There is more on this subject, but I will keep it short.

The Old Testament had it's time and that was a covenant made between God and the Jews through Moses, but there came a time when the whole world would be able to partake of the grace of God and it was done in the form of the New Testament. It was even prophesied - Jeremiah 31`:31, 32 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: Lue 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. The old law was only until the time of John the Baptist. Now were are under the law of Christ. Hebrews 7:11, 12 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. The priesthood changed from Aaron to Jesus and so did the law. Acts 13:38, 39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Acts 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us. I could keep going, but I think I made my point that we are no longer under the old law and it's ordinances, so, they can't be binding. You can practice them if you want, but they are not required by Christians under the New Testament. As far as following scripture we are supposed to follow all of it of the New Testament. James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all

This passage is NOT limited to just blaspheming the HS. James 1:14-16 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. This is James speaking to the Christians. Not every sin we commit will kill us. God's mercy allows up to repent and go to him for forgiveness, but if we stay in sin and not repent, then that sin is our death.

The meaning of what Jesus was trying to tell Paul is he was asking him why does he kick against the pricks of his own conscience in knowing what he was doing was wrong in persecuting the Christians.

The seven spirits are the seven churches in Asia that he starts addressing in Verse 11. When Jesus comes all of the Christians will have dispappeared from the earth - where two are in the field one taken and the other left. etc. All of the rest of the world will see Jesus as his brightness with be from one end of the world to the other and he is coming with his angles in flaming fire. (2 Thess. 1:7-10)

The greatest book that has helped me understand the book of Revelation is this one - "Opening the Book of the Seven Seals". It can be found here - Amazon I have been studying the book and it is written like each chapter was a sermon. I like how the author kept reiterating the the book of Revelation was the histroy of the church past, present, and future. This book was written over 100 years ago.

This was speaking of Christians because it refers to those who were call "brother". The "sin unto death" is the sin that is not repented of. Christians can sin and they have the ability to repent and seek forgiveness for it, but Christians also have the ability to allow sins in their lives and not repent of them. Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Whe we yeild ourselves servants to sin it is to death.

Well, so much for your "one baptism" ... thanks anyway ... Hebrews 6:1-2 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith toward God, the doctrine of baptisms (plural), laying on of hands, resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And now you should read Post #10. . Then why does Ephesians state "one baptism"? There were at the time of the infancy of the church various baptisms. John the Baptist's baptism served its purpose to lead up to Christ, but when he arrived it was no longer needed. the baptism of the HS was for the Apostles on the day of Pentecost to serve a purpose of giving them the gifts of the HS and that is no longer being used (when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away). After the gospel was complete the gifts dies out with the Apostles and the remnant of who they gave it to. The commission that Jesus gave to the Apostles in Mathew and Mark referred to water baptism. You see Peter carrying this out for the first time in Acts 2 where 3000 were baptized for the remission of their sins. You see Philip and the Eunuch using water baptism. Ephesians states there is ONE baptism and that is the water baptism for the remission of your sins. The other baptisms had their time and place but the latter has been meant Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call. The baptism for the remission of sins is the one that is promised to us. Not the others.

No it isn't. The verse doesn't say that at all. Demas left Paul, not Christ. Demas deserted Paul and the work Paul was doing. It doesn't say that Demas departed from the faith. You going way beyond what the text actually says. It was no different with John Mark. He deserted Paul. Paul did not say Demas went back into living in sin. It says he preferred the world Meaning that he preferred the normal life he had before, not a life of sin. Please stick to what the text actually says. The key to that verse is why he left Paul. He left because of his love for this present world. We know that Jesus taught that you can't have two masters and Demas chose to make the world his love. If you love the world you can't love God. That is not talking about forgiveness of sins. Paul is not even talking about salvation. He is warning Gentiles about being "cut off" if they become arrogant against the Jews. Read the context. Being grafted in is not the same as being saved. being grafted in is the result of salvation. Otherwise, salvation would be based on how you treat the Jews. That is not true. The Jews were originally God's chosen people and because of their unbelief they were broken off and the Gentiles were grafted in to the root, which is Christ. He was warning the Gentiles not to become high minded because of this and that they can be broken off if they do not continue in his goodness. Meaning I have a choice to continue in the goodness of God or not. If I don't then I will be cut off. Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; The word "IF" makes this conditional. If I don't do these things then the opposite happens. Hebrews 4:9-11 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

There may have been multiple baptism in the church's infancy, but there is only one baptism that Jesus commissioned the the Apostles to carry out and that is baptism by water for the remission of sins. (Matthew 28:19; Acts 2:38) Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Acts 8:35-37 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Amen! - It is just this blunt and simple. Temporary Salvation doesn't exist - never has - never will. Please forgive me, but you are missing the point. It isn't about saved, not saved, saved, not saved. When I became a Christian God gave me the promise that I will have eternal life and no man, Satan, nor the angels can take that from me. What is trying to be conveyed is that your salvation be list if YOU give it up. This is possible. 2 Timothy 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. This is a Christian who gave up his salvation because he would rather have the sins of the world. Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Now, if I have my hand on the plow that would mean that I am a Christian. Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. The only way to be enlightened and taste the n=heavenly gift is to become a Christian. I can make the conscience choice to fall away (leave God) if I want. You will also see that it says that it is "impossible" to renew them if the choose to leave. Also, God can give up on you if you, as a Christian, won't repent of your sins. Romans 11:21-22 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. If my choice is to keep in the goodness of God is there and to do his will then there is nothing that can separate me from God, but the only thing that can separate me from God is sin. Whether I choose to leave God in pursuit of it or if I think I can keep sin as a Christian it will separate me from God. If we sin and repent god is always there to forgive us, but if we choose to keep our sins and not repent of them then we can lose our salvation. Read the first three chapters of Revelation of the seven churches of Asia that were told to repent or they would lose their recognition from God.

I believe that there is one new birth John 3:3, with two parts, water and Spirit John 3:5. In order to be born again you have to be born of water and the Spirit (John 3:5) You have to believe and be baptized (Mark 16:16) to be saved. I completely agree with this. And then we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38.

That which we have know from the beginning is the Doctrine of Christ. The 'doctrine of Christ' is not only about himself, but also of the things that he taught. We know we are Christians and can tell of others who are Christians by our walking in our lives that reflect what Christ taught us on how to walk. You will notice that is speaks of transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. How we transgress is by not walking in our lives according to the things taught to us in the gospel. When we say that we believe in God and don't walk in accordance to the things that we are taught from the bible we - 1 John 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. God's word and Christ's doctrine are the commandments and if we keep them we are abiding in the doctrine of Christ and keeping God's word.

What do Rev. 4 and 5 have to do with the history of the "church"? What do the judgments of God against the people of the world have to do with the "church"? I never said that every single verses expresses the history of the church. It is the history of the church because it speaks of what happens in time only in reference to Christianity and religion on the world. It does not speak of politics in different nations, it doesn't speak of things happening in other nations on other subjects. It only speaks of those things that have to do with Christianity. The people of God are the church. By the things that they were doing it was determined whether if God would remove their candlestick or not if the did not repent. So their actions could cause God not to recognize them as a church anymore. You are the one limiting yourself if this is how you read Rev. 2-18. Prophecy is much more profound, has so many more levels, than this. You need to be opened minded. I was being vague for a reason. If I went into all of the details that I have there would be a lot of reading, so I tried to generalize it. And I disagree with your interpretation. Jesus was born out of - came into this world through - Israel, not the church. So how could the woman be the church? The people under the Jewish faith was considered to be married to God. We are not under the Jewish faith, we are under Christianity and are considered to be the bride of Christ. The people of God are still considered female. We are still considered the "woman" just like the Israelites. The Jewish faith during Christianity did not go into hiding. It was abolished. The church went into hiding. And that's all you see? Like I said, you are the one who is limiting yourself. Really, that's all you get out of reading Rev. 20-22? No, there is a lot in these verses. What I limited was what I chose to write about at that time and had stated that if anybody wanted any explanations of anything thing that I would be willing to give it. And what is the purpose of having a revelation of the church? Are we to worship the church? You lack understanding in this. God chose to reveal to us what was going to us as to what was going to happen in the world as a result of Christianity being in the world. Also, what heaven was like, judgment day, and whatever else he chose to reveal. After Jesus is described. That is not being disputed, but if you feel it needs to be continually pointed out feel free. You are limiting the revelation. No, I limited what I chose to write to keep it simple. Where? And your believe this . . . why? Certain history denotes it. **Can't find what you are talking about via internet search** And some people interpret the 7 churches to represent 7 ages of the the church's history. The Dark Ages begins with the Assembly (church) of Pyrgamos, mixing Scripture with heathenism in the 4th century. Etc. Revelation is a prophecy, not a history. History is written after the events take place. But again, prophecy has much more depth than you are giving it credit for. There is more to Revelation than a timeline. This prophecy turned to history after it happened.

There were two that happened. One happened on Dec 15th 168 BCE when the Syrians built a pagan alter int the temple and place an image of Zeus and 10 days later swine's flesh was offered on alter. The second happened in 70 AD during the destruction of Jerusalem the Romans had walked into the temple.