Gauntlet Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 788 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/18/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1979 Share Posted April 25, 2009 Gauntlet! This is supposed to be a family friendly board. You're right. My bad. But what happened at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graheb was probably not family-friendly, either. If the American gov't. wants to say WE DO NOT TORTURE as vehemently as it does, they have to be truthful when they say it. Just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 Keep it family friendly, people. I deleted that post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 Torture is not accepteable.We shoud be forgivers as Jesus teached us. Blessings Those techniques are not torture. But even if they were, would you rather have another 9/11, or worse? does this mean you agree that the ends justify the means, no matter what the means are? In this case, yes, especially since it isn't even torture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Author Share Posted April 25, 2009 In this case, yes, especially since it isn't even torture. if it was torture would it still be ok? That's moot, since it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 the "means" to an end are not inherently wrong. i don't believe wash boarding is wrong. so the means in this case don't need to be justified! what's wash boarding? Is that getting them clean, Char?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 the "means" to an end are not inherently wrong. i don't believe wash boarding is wrong. so the means in this case don't need to be justified! what's wash boarding? Is that getting them clean, Char?? i knew that didn't sound quite right. oh, my bad! let's try this again: the "means" to an end are not inherently wrong. i don't believe water boarding is wrong. so the means in this case don't need to be justified! ooh. my face is so red. thanks for being so nice about making me feel like a fool, Believer! can i join your ranks now? Indeed you may Charitow... I will even put you in charge of torture research!!!! I kinda like the idea of scrubbing them up good!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted April 25, 2009 If the interegation methods caused bodily harm, that would be torture. Putting someone through extreme uncomfortable conditions, but not injuring them, I do not believe is out of bounds to interegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer1997 Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,363 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 9 Joined: 11/07/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 I do not think any of us knows what torture is like ... unless we have been tortured or been so uncomfortable or had your dignity take away... I would rather see the dignity, etc. taken away than to result to some of the same tactics that these ... animals use. I'm close to a special forces person who ... when pressed admitted that waterboarding (or in Charitow's case wash boarding) is indeed, torture. It probably won't kill, but neither do a lot of other heinous things. I'm terrified of what THEY will do if they get some of our personnel... but I guess they'd do it anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 I do not think any of us knows what torture is like ... unless we have been tortured or been so uncomfortable or had your dignity take away... I would rather see the dignity, etc. taken away than to result to some of the same tactics that these ... animals use. I'm close to a special forces person who ... when pressed admitted that waterboarding (or in Charitow's case wash boarding) is indeed, torture. It probably won't kill, but neither do a lot of other heinous things. I'm terrified of what THEY will do if they get some of our personnel... but I guess they'd do it anyway... You're right about that, Kat. Nothing our people do, or don't do, will alter the evil, murderous mindset of the satan worshipping islamists. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 25, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 25, 2009 the "means" to an end are not inherently wrong. i don't believe wash boarding is wrong. so the means in this case don't need to be justified! what's wash boarding? Is that getting them clean, Char?? i knew that didn't sound quite right. oh, my bad! let's try this again: the "means" to an end are not inherently wrong. i don't believe water boarding is wrong. so the means in this case don't need to be justified! ooh. my face is so red. thanks for being so nice about making me feel like a fool, Believer! can i join your ranks now? Indeed you may Charitow... I will even put you in charge of torture research!!!! I kinda like the idea of scrubbing them up good!!! If you check out the photos of some of these 'detainees' you will see that a little water (and soap!) wouldn't hurt. Now, if our people really want to torture them, they need to use HOLY water. Burns like the dickens, from what I've heard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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