What do you see happening?

[nebula]

I'm interested in hearing how people interpret these passages. If you were to describe what you saw if you were there, what do you believe you would see?

I Samuel 19

19 It was told Saul, saying, "Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah."

20 Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied.

21 When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they also prophesied. So Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they also prophesied.

22 Then he himself went to Ramah and came as far as the large well that is in Secu; and he asked and said, "Where are Samuel and David?" And someone said, "Behold, they are at Naioth in Ramah."

23 He proceeded there to Naioth in Ramah; and the Spirit of God came upon him also, so that he went along prophesying continually until he came to Naioth in Ramah.

24 He also stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Therefore they say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?"

*So, how do you see these men prophecying uncontrollably such that they could not capture David? Or what do you picture with this?

*Saul stripped off his clothes with the Spirit of God on him? Does it really say that? If not, then what?

I Kings 8

10 It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD,

11 so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.

*What do you picture with this? What does it mean "The priests could not stand to minister? What do you picture/visualize?

Acts 2

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

*Why would these people believe the disciples were filled with "new wine" (drunk) unless they were acting drunk? What made them appear "drunk?"

[Guest Called]

Well to me it sounds like in those verses that when the Holy Spirit comes on the scene we can operate in the spiritual gifts, we will be so immersed we won't be able to stand and people will think we are drunk, because of the joy we experience. I could be completely off!

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Neb,

Here is my take on these questions:

*So, how do you see these men prophecying uncontrollably such that they could not capture David? Or what do you picture with this?

*Saul stripped off his clothes with the Spirit of God on him? Does it really say that? If not, then what?

*What do you picture with this? What does it mean "The priests could not stand to minister? What do you picture/visualize?

*Why would these people believe the disciples were filled with "new wine" (drunk) unless they were acting drunk? What made them appear "drunk?"

It would appear that you are trying to make a point that "in the presence" of the Spirit of God, one cannot help themselves but to fall prostrate before them or performs acts that others might consider as drunkedness.

You might also include:

Genesis 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

Genesis 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

Numbers 16:20 And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying,

Numbers 16:21 Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.

Numbers 16:22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?

Numbers 20:6 And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces: and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.

Numbers 22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.

Deuteronomy 9:18 And I fell down before the LORD, as at the first, forty days and forty nights: I did neither eat bread, nor drink water, because of all your sins which ye sinned, in doing wickedly in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Deuteronomy 9:25 Thus I fell down before the LORD forty days and forty nights, as I fell down at the first; because the LORD had said he would destroy you.

Joshua 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Joshua 7:6 And Joshua rent his clothes, and fell to the earth upon his face before the ark of the LORD until the eventide, he and the elders of Israel, and put dust upon their heads.

Judges 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

1 Kings 18:39 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.

1 Chronicles 21:16 And David lifted up his eyes, and saw the angel of the LORD stand between the earth and the heaven, having a drawn sword in his hand stretched out over Jerusalem. Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces.

Ezekiel 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Ezekiel 3:23 Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.

Ezekiel 43:2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.

Ezekiel 43:3 And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.

Ezekiel 44:4 Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face.

Daniel 8:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

Matthew 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.

Matthew 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Matthew 17:6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

Matthew 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Matthew 18:29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

Mark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mark 5:21 And when Jesus was passed over again by ship unto the other side, much people gathered unto him: and he was nigh unto the sea.

Mark 5:22 And, behold, there cometh one of the rulers of the synagogue, Jairus by name; and when he saw him, he fell at his feet,

Mark 5:30 And Jesus, immediately knowing in himself that virtue had gone out of him, turned him about in the press, and said, Who touched my clothes?

Mark 5:31 And his disciples said unto him, Thou seest the multitude thronging thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

Mark 5:32 And he looked round about to see her that had done this thing.

Mark 5:33 But the woman fearing and trembling, knowing what was done in her, came and fell down before him, and told him all the truth.

Mark 7:25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:

Luke 5:8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

Luke 5:9 For he was astonished, and all that were with him, at the draught of the fishes which they had taken:

Luke 5:12 And it came to pass, when he was in a certain city, behold a man full of leprosy: who seeing Jesus fell on his face, and besought him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

Acts 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Revelation 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Revelation 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

Revelation 19:4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

From personal experience, I would say that one cannot help but be overcome at the presence of the Lord with humility and contrition. This body of flesh just cannot endure the awesome splender of God when He decides to reveal Himself. We may shake, we may tremble, we will probably fall prostrate as though dead before Him. No one can predict what the Lord will do or the Spirit of the Lord when He fully embraces someone.

These things may not happen in every case, but the theme is so consistent in the scriptures, that we must deem it likely to occur.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

P.S. My first thoughts as I read your questions was to consider Paul on the road to Damascus and John bowing before the Angel of the Lord - a fellow servant, and before the Lamb of God.

[nebula]

It would appear that you are trying to make a point that "in the presence" of the Spirit of God, one cannot help themselves but to fall prostrate before them or performs acts that others might consider as drunkedness.

I'm just asking what do you picture happening here?

[ginakay]

Nebula, in the case of Saul, I think the Holy Spirit did overwhelm him in order to keep him from taking David. I don't know what the Spirit had him saying but something that made the onlookers feel he was acting like the prophets. I'm not concerned about him laying down naked, that was likely not in mixed company and didn't Israeli men generally bathe in public baths? Culturally that would not have seemed strange to them as it does to us.

As far as the priests not being able to stand to minister, I think they were also overwhelmed with the power and majesty of the Lord in such a way that they were literally unable to function normally at that point.

As for people thinking the disciples were already drinking (at it early in the day!) I think they were probably having a difficult time walking. One reason I think that is because it happened to me. I staggered when trying to walk and was literally assisted to my car where my mother drove me home. Thank the Lord for all the ways in which His Spirit leads and guides us, including worship and praise!

[refugepsa91]

I'm pretty sure I'm on the same page as Nebula....what I see is when the presence of the Lord is upon you, your whole being changes...feelings and your thoughts...good thoughts of course...a peace...a peace so deep it reaches your bones and they can't hold you up anymore.

Love and Blessings,

Angel

[nebula]

I Samuel 19

19 It was told Saul, saying, "Behold, David is at Naioth in Ramah."

20 Then Saul sent messengers to take David, but when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing and presiding over them, the Spirit of God came upon the messengers of Saul; and they also prophesied.

21 When it was told Saul, he sent other messengers, and they also prophesied. So Saul sent messengers again the third time, and they also prophesied.

22 Then he himself went to Ramah and came as far as the large well that is in Secu; and he asked and said, "Where are Samuel and David?" And someone said, "Behold, they are at Naioth in Ramah."

23 He proceeded there to Naioth in Ramah; and the Spirit of God came upon him also, so that he went along prophesying continually until he came to Naioth in Ramah.

24 He also stripped off his clothes, and he too prophesied before Samuel and lay down naked all that day and all that night. Therefore they say, "Is Saul also among the prophets?"

I often wonder if the author was being generous by saying they "prophesied." Or maybe to them "prophesying" meant more than just speaking, "Thus saith the Lord."

So, what does "prophesying" mean here?

And if we can agree that Saul stripped off his clothes while the Spirit of the Lord was on him, and the people then considered Saul to be among the prophets (meaning, they didn't find this odd ) from his "prophecying" and acting unruly - could it be that some of the "weird" antics seen at some churches and meetings really is of the Lord?

If not, why would this be a one-time instance? And if it was, why did not anyone think the actions were strange?

I Kings 8

10  It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD,

11  so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD.

*What do you picture with this?  What does it mean "The priests could not stand to minister?  What do you picture/visualize?

I picture the cloud of glory filling the temple - and the priests suddenly finding themselves on the floor! I also see them not being able to get up (as in, glued to the floor). I wonder if they were laughing and experiencing the highest high in the world as well?

Acts 2

13  Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

*Why would these people believe the disciples were filled with "new wine" (drunk) unless they were acting drunk?  What made them appear "drunk?"

I can't imagine anyone being accused of being drunk if they weren't acting drunk - laughing, staggering, and what-not.

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Anyone else have thoughts?

[Guest shadow2b]

-heyyyyy--there Sis..Good topic--[in my studies I've found}all these people that were {Propheysing}-were "Speaking in Tongues}I think it is termed as "Glossalalia" {SP?}The HOLY-SPIRIT FELL-ON-the Prophets & Priests in the Old-Testament----The professor I had in college in a religion class was not in favour of -GOD having or displaying any type of super-natural-powers --since Biblical times--& I asked him IF all the kings that were anointed by a prophet as GOD establishing them as HIS choice for being King-over ISRAEL when the horn of oil was poured over them beginning at the head--ALL spoke in Tongues{Glossalalia} & the Prof said we would be getting into a discussion about that BUT he NEVER brought it up at all--{big--coward??}

[Guest dove2]

shadow, I am certainly glad that we took Religion together in College because you missed the night that the teacher said that the Holy Spirit fell and stayed on all Kings of Israel and that they spoke in tongues. It seems they had all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

[nebula]

I think it is termed as "Glossalalia" {SP?}The HOLY-SPIRIT FELL-ON-the Prophets & Priests in the Old-Testament...

when the horn of oil was poured over them beginning at the head--ALL spoke in Tongues{Glossalalia}

the teacher said that the Holy Spirit fell and stayed on all Kings of Israel and that they spoke in tongues. It seems they had all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

That is so cool!

Thanks for sharing this!