Who Will Be Left?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Idied2,

Revelation 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

Have you given any thought to these verses:

1 Cor 15:20-23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Now because there were no punctuation marks in the original, let me re-word this last part: But every man in his own order: Christ; (semicolon) the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

It need not be this way, but please consider it and that would make the "resurrections" of the saints:

Christ

Firstfruits

First Resurrection

BUT, it could be: Christ as part of the FIRSTFRUITS along with:

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

I believe the "captivity" were the ones here:

1 Peter 3:18-20 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

These verses, I believe, indicate that when Christ died, He went and preached to those in "captivity" - prison, and then when He ascended up on high, He took them with Him.

So it may be that the 144,000 are those whom arose with Christ at that time and are seen by John as being on the TRUE Mt. Zion in Heaven. Isn't that what the "firstfruits" are?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[stevehut]

Now because there were no punctuation marks in the original, let me re-word this last part: But every man in his own order: Christ; (semicolon) the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

It need not be this way, but please consider it and that would make the "resurrections" of the saints:

Christ

Firstfruits

First Resurrection

Interesting proposotion there, Ernie...

Never thought about it that way b4

[Catsmeow]

DE: That's a wonderful explanation. It gives one real food for thought.

I don't often get into discussions about end times but I can't dance around the issues considering the signs of the times.

I think that's a very interesting observation you make regarding the 144,000.

[JesusisGod2]

Notice that the only ones on mount zion with the LORD are the 144 thousand, it also says that the 144 thousand are those redeemed from earth.

Hello I died,

I notice that you keep making referance to the 144,000. Now my question to you would be, is it in your opinion that only 144,000 will be redeemed out of the trbulation period?

In Jesus

Kevin

[Guest idied2]

Hello I died,

I notice that you keep making referance to the 144,000. Now my question to you would be, is it in your opinion that only 144,000 will be redeemed out of the trbulation period?

In Jesus

Kevin

Hello JesusisGod2

No. This includes the first church from CHRIST'S death and resurection until HIS return. Only 144 thousand will go up to meet him in the air. plus the 12 apostles and the twentyfour elders. Daniel, david, abraham, isiac, jacob, ect.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

[rollinTHUNDER]

No. This includes the first church from CHRIST'S death and resurection until HIS return. Only 144 thousand will go up to meet him in the air. plus the 12 apostles and the twentyfour elders. Daniel, david, abraham, isiac, jacob, ect.

In CHRIST JESUS :hug: :hug: :hug:

The Jehovah's Witnesses used to claim this as well. Is that where you learned it?

[rollinTHUNDER]

Revelation 14:4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb.

Have you given any thought to these verses:

1 Cor 15:20-23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Now because there were no punctuation marks in the original, let me re-word this last part: But every man in his own order: Christ; (semicolon) the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

It need not be this way, but please consider it and that would make the "resurrections" of the saints:

Christ

Firstfruits

First Resurrection

BUT, it could be: Christ as part of the FIRSTFRUITS along with:

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

I believe the "captivity" were the ones here:

I see you're starting to get a little warmer about the resurrection and the first fruits. Check these verses out.

1 Corinthians 15:23

But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

1 Corinthians 15:20

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.

Christ was first fruits of those who were already dead (those who had not yet received eternal life), but now look at these next verses:

James 1:18

He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.

Romans 8:23

Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.

Can you see the hint of the first fruits of the living (those who have eternal life)?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings RollinThunder,

We see in the verses you provided two different references to the "firstfruits". We are the firstfruits of the Tree of Life that produce fruit through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

The other "firstfruits" is in reference to the Harvest of God on this earth - the RESURRECTION. Christ being the first, along with those who were asleep. THEN the next RESURRECTION we see is referenced as the FIRST RESURRECTION. THERE IS A SECOND RESURRECTION, but it is not strictly identified as such:

Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[rollinTHUNDER]

Greetings RollinThunder,

We see in the verses you provided two different references to the "firstfruits". We are the firstfruits of the Tree of Life that produce fruit through the empowerment of the Holy Spirit.

The other "firstfruits" is in reference to the Harvest of God on this earth - the RESURRECTION. Christ being the first, along with those who were asleep. THEN the next RESURRECTION we see is referenced as the FIRST RESURRECTION. THERE IS A SECOND RESURRECTION, but it is not strictly identified as such:

Revelation 20:12-13 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

I believe you're still missing the boat, but you are much farther along than you were 3 or 4 months ago.

It all relates to the first resurrection, which began with Christ some almost 2000 years ago. The scriptures I gave in my previous post have absolutely nothing to do with the great white throne judgment. We're still waiting for the completion of the first resurrection. Why does everyone think that the first resurrection will happen in the twinkling of an eye. That's the rapture, but there's more to the first resurrection than just the rapture. The first resurrection began with Christ, but it will not end until His 2nd coming. After all, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.

The second resurrection will not begin until after the church reigns on the earth 1000 years, but only unbelievers will take part in it.

Cheers!

[Guest shadow2b]

-Luke 21:35-36

35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

-Cats--the preceeding verse{vs.34} was the "SUBJECT"of what JESUS was explaining---

-JESUS was warning the people around HIM that they were NOT to be caughtr up in the cares of this life--

-#1--vs.34------

-And take heed to "YOURSELVES"lest at any time YOUR HEARTS be overcharged with "SURFEITING",and "DRUNKENNESS", and cares of this life and so that day come upon you unawares....

-JESUS is telling everyone --then & now--NOT to be caught up in--worrying about

-all these things that can take our eyes OFF of HIM--HIS-WORD-& HIS return..

-things-like "surfeiting"--- is in the Gr.2897-kraipale--a headache--a seizure of pain from drunkenness---debauchery--{Riotious-living-sexual immorality}gluttony

-In vs.28--JESUS states that when all these signs--cataclysmic events begin to occur NOT to be worrying about these things --HIS RETURN is immenient---

-ALL these "Things"-is All they will be consumed with & Worrying about is these events & will turn to "something"to take their minds off of these events-I.E. "RIOTIOUS-LIVING"

-& WE need to PRAY that WE will NOT become entangled in this RIOTIOUS-LIVING & thereby be counted "WORTHY to escape being caught up in SEXUAL-IMMORALITY

-DRUNKENNESS--GLUTTONY--THESE ARE THE THINGS WE ARE TO ESCAPE--NOT BE INVOLVED IN---

-vs.35----For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

-from a google search--seems to clarify the attitude of most at the time-----

-When a city is doomed, the bitter reality of being trapped in a fool's paradise

-generates a false and frantic gaiety. "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we

-die" becomes the philosophy of the times.

-1st.COR.15.vs.32------

-IF after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,what advantageth it me,if the dead rise not?LET US EAT AND DRINK;FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.

-uhhhh??I hope this wasn't TOO confusing- --