Is the book of <Revelation> chronological?

[MK202002]

Trying to understand Revelations chronologically is the quickest way to be drivin INSANE!

Look at all the events that are repeated! I believe these are the SAME EVENT, only retold in a differnt way:

I cannot offer a good conclusion to the cronology of revelation, but definatly say it's not written chronologically!

1. Great earthquake: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21,

2. Mountains and Islands: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 16:17-21

3. God's wrath: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21,

4. Great Voices: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

5. Lightning, Voices, Thunder: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

6. Great Hail: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

A teacher told me that the 6th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th vial are overlapping, and for the most part, the same event.

Not all the trumpents, seals, and vials (bowls), but the 6th, 7th, and 7th.

does this help any? what do you think?

[Guest mark l malone]

Trying to understand Revelations chronologically is the quickest way to be drivin INSANE!

Look at all the events that are repeated! I believe these are the SAME EVENT, only retold in a differnt way:

I cannot offer a good conclusion to the cronology of revelation, but definatly say it's not written chronologically!

1. Great earthquake: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21,

2. Mountains and Islands: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 16:17-21

3. God's wrath: Rev. 6:12-17, Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21,

4. Great Voices: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

5. Lightning, Voices, Thunder: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

6. Great Hail: Rev 11:15-19, Rev 16:17-21

A teacher told me that the 6th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th vial are overlapping, and for the most part, the same event.

Not all the trumpents, seals, and vials (bowls), but the 6th, 7th, and 7th.

does this help any? what do you think?

I beleive you are correct in your assertion that the book is NOT in chronological order.

later on that.

However, the 3 sets of judgements are Unique unto themselves, and are not a repeat.

each set of woes/judgments are increasingly more destructive than the previous.

I have heard others say they beleive the 7th seal, trumpet and bowl are all the same event, but lets look at the scriptures.

after the 6th seal, in chapter 6, chapter 7 starts off like this....(7th seal not opened yet)

Re 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

clearly John is saying he saw a new chain of events happening AFTER the 6th seal, but BEFORE, the 7th seal.

its important cause the first 6 seals had to do with famine, war, death, plague and wild beasts...

the angels in 7:1 are preventing the wind from blowing on the sea, land or trees. the first 6 seals dont have any of these in the woes. so this is indeed, a continued chronological event preparing the 144,000 for the coming woes, not the first 6 seals.

and , as you see, there are many martyrs already under the throne in the 5th seal.

the 7th seal is ALL BY ITSELF---it lasts one half hour, the angels being prepared with their trumpets, and the prayers of all the saints on earth are brought up to the Throne(8:3-4).

now, I refer you back to the angels holding back the wind so the 144,000 can be sealed, in chapter 7. it says they protected the earth, the sea and the trees.

the first 2 trumpet judgments affect all those. 8:7-11 show the earth, the trees and all the waters smitten.

these are not judgments found in the seal judgments, they are not a repeat, and a different woe.

rev 10:7, after the first 6 trumpets are sounded, says this...

Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

the 7th trumpet is DAYS LATER(how many, I dont know) and is goin to be a special event.

chapter 11 shows the 2 witnesses, whom will be revealed before the 7th trumpet and preach 3 1/2 years up to the 7th trump. they are killed, and 3 1/2 days later, the 7th trumpet, which pours out all 7 bowls at the same time.....

chapters 12-15 seem to show details within the periods leading up to the 7 bowls, in chapter 16.

they seem to cover the entire time up to the 7 bowls, which would make them chronologically inclusive, but not by themselves a continuation of events.

sort of like genesis 2 is a detailed description of the creation of mankind, and not a chronological, historical continuation to chapter 1.

the LARGEST MOST DESTRUCTIVE earthquake ever is recorded in rev 16:17-21.

all citys collapse and jerusalem is divided into 3 parts(HMMM--sort of like today religiously)

chapters 17 and 18 give descriptiion of the harlot and the beast and their fates during these times.

19:11 is the 2nd coming, and Christ wins at armegeddon, then judges the nations in their treatment of jews, then he judges the jews.

after all the judgments, satan is bound for 1000 years, and Christ starts his earthly 1000 year kingdom.

[MK202002]

Revelation is not the hereafter of John's life. It has to do totally with the 70th week of Daniel. The book of Revelation is chronological with events repeated in more detail 1/2 way through.

If events are repeated, and the story is told twice, then it is not one chronological account.

For it to be chronological, the events must be told in order once. If I told a story, and retold it again in more detail, I could not pass it off as in-order.

[Guest benjoz]

I believe that the book of revelation is not in chronological order. I base my opinion on the teachings of William D. Brehm. I just happen to have researched his conclusions for myself and have seen nothing to take their validity away; that is why I believe they may be so.

There is no point in me trying to describe my point of view in detail, just read these pages from Brehm

[Christ's Free Servant]

What do you (anyone) believe is the purpose or significance of the letters to the churches at the beginning of Revelation? I believe they are part of the events that take place. I believe that prior to the seven years of tribulation that God warns his Church to repent or else to face the consequences. He talks about spitting people out of his mouth and removing lampstands and such. I believe there is a judgment of the Church that is to precede the seven years of tribulation and that judgment will be followed by a great awakening just prior to the tribulation. I believe the time is now that God is calling his Church to wake up from their slumber and to repent because the time of his return is near. What do you (anyone) think?