Mary's appearence at fatima

[ServingHim]

I don't believe that Scripture is the SOLE authority of our faith,

THAT is why i throw my hand up. i can't argue scripture with you, which i HAVE, when you don't consider scripture to be the sole authority. the bible can't win against someone who refuses to believe that the tenets of catholic tradition aren't equally as authorative as God's word.

it has nothing to do with you or your questions being unworthy, nor have i ever dismissed you or claimed you were unworthy, though you don't seem to see it any other way. it simply has to do with the fact that YOU don't see scripture as being the FINAL authority, nor do you see that the catholic church and all its popes and priests are fallible. and against that, there is absolutely no point in my continuing to try and help you understand.

for the record, you accuse me of not backing things up with scripture, which is incorrect, and only voicing my opinions... well SH, you need to acknowledge that you don't back up your opinions with scripture... at least not nearly as often as you defend it with tradition. i've had less time to spend online lately, and so have often given explanation of scripture without posting a quote of the chapter and verse verbatim. but if you'll do as i've asked previously and run a quick search of the board, you will find i've provided scriptural backup for all of these questions repeatedly in other threads.

you sound so upset ... I pray you find peace. :il:

[Guest rock875]

Hi - about Mary appearing to ppl... Didn't Moses and Abraham appear to Jesus just before he was crucified? I believe that was to minister to him in his hour of need. God often ministers through ppl. And our God is a God of the living, not of the dead - i.e. Mary is just a human being in heaven. God can use her just like he can use any other human being to minister to his ppl. That obviously does NOT mean we start to worship human beings.

[Guest charlie]

I don't think Mary is dead. I think she lives in heaven. I think it is possible that some of the Mary sitings are really her, some are probably the *other* attempting to appear as her to fool people. If God wants to use Mary for His purposes he will, just as He has the angels and other Saints do His bidding and serve Him. I do believe there is some sort of heirechy implied in scripture, otherwise God/Jesus would just appear to people to relay messages rather than sending angels/saints.

[apothanein kerdos]

The only two times we see a dead spirit comming back from the dead is Samuel appearing to Saul and Elijah and Moses appearing to Jesus.

Most of the time the angels are used. That is their purpose. Thus, why would God send Mary to do an angel's job?

[Guest charlie]

Most of the time the angels are used. That is their purpose. Thus, why would God send Mary to do an angel's job?

Most is the key word there imo. God can do whatever he wants. I don't understand a lot of what God does/doesn't do. Regardless of what we think God should/would/does/doesn't do only He knows for sure 24/7. Mary is His servant; it is possible.

[apothanein kerdos]

Most of the time the angels are used. That is their purpose. Thus, why would God send Mary to do an angel's job?

Most is the key word there imo. God can do whatever he wants. I don't understand a lot of what God does/doesn't do. Regardless of what we think God should/would/does/doesn't do only He knows for sure 24/7. Mary is His servant; it is possible.

Mary was also a mortal soul that was not a prophet. Both Elijah and Moses had key roles in the Bible. To tell the truth, I don't believe any of the apperances of Mary. She's a post-Christ saint thus she is in Heaven worshiping God.

[stevehut]

Okay, so please put forth your best evidence that Paul passed the traditinon of praying to Mary on to the Thessalonian and Corinthian believers.

Hey, I'd be interested to se that.

[ServingHim]

Both Elijah and Moses had key roles in the Bible.

and Mary DIDN'T have a KEY ROLE in the 'bible' (much LESS in the life of our Lord Jesus Christ)????

To tell the truth, I don't believe any of the apperances of Mary.

that's fair...a lot of people probably don't. Have you ever heard of Medjugorje (Bosnia) where she's been appearing for the past 20 years, since the mid 1980s?

She's a post-Christ saint thus she is in Heaven worshiping God.

is this found somewhere in the bible that God could not use 'post-Christ' saints?

[apothanein kerdos]

and Mary DIDN'T have a KEY ROLE in the 'bible' (much LESS in the life of our Lord Jesus Christ)???? 

Yes, she held a great role. However she is only mentioned a few times. Elijah and Moses was also more symbolic. Notice that the Transfiguration is found in Matthew. The importance in this is that Matthew was writing to Jews. He was attempting to show that Jesus truly was the Messiah. Thus by pointing out that both Moses and Elijah (Many Jews believed (and still do) that one of these would return as the Messiah) conversing with Jesus, showing He was just as great if not greater than the two of them. Mary, on the other hand, held no significance for the Jewish people.

that's fair...a lot of people probably don't. Have you ever heard of Medjugorje (Bosnia) where she's been appearing for the past 20 years, since the mid 1980s?

Not as familiar with it as I should be. Would you care to link me to an article?

is this found somewhere in the bible that God could not use 'post-Christ' saints?

God could use them. However He didn't. Thus it would only be natural to assume that by doing so, it would be against the character of God.

[ServingHim]

God could use them. However He didn't.

you don't know that for sure...