Disciple baptism?

[nebula]

I wasn't accusing anyone or pointing fingers - "you" was meant to be generic.

My apologies for not being clear on that.

[Rick-Parker]

Guess I'm a little sensitive.

[exrockstar]

My question is - if you haven't been baptised in water, why not?

Obedience doesn't always need a "reason" for it to be obeyed, does it?

I have not been water baptised nor do i plan to do it.

However, I have no problem if someone wants to do it.

[exrockstar]

My question is - if you haven't been baptised in water, why not?

Obedience doesn't always need a "reason" for it to be obeyed, does it?

I have not been water baptised nor do i plan to do it.

However, I have no problem if someone wants to do it.

what part of "be baptized" don't you understand?

what verse are you talking about. there are many.

[Smalcald]

Hey Ex,

Why not? I am not saying that in a challenging way, just curious.

This is the two versus that seem to me to be pretty direct.

1) Jesus instructions to His Apostles.

6Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

2) From Mark:

5He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

[exrockstar]

Hey Ex,

Why not? I am not saying that in a challenging way, just curious.

This is the two versus that seem to me to be pretty direct.

1) Jesus instructions to His Apostles.

6Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

2) From Mark:

5He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

because there is no salvation power in a water baptism. people have now concluded that baptism is not needed for salvation.

some people use the reasoning of "obedience to God."

the verses you posted do not speak of obedience. they seem rather mandatory.

that's neither here nor there and let those that believe in "mandatory" debate with those that say "obedience."

my reasoning is that it was mandatory for that moment in time but Paul came along and explained it was a foreshadow of spiritual baptism.

keep in mind that your posting verses before Paul came on the scene. That is important because Paul came later and introduced many things.

saying "obendience to God" makes people feel good (ala public display) and I dont care about feelng good.

i know many people here will disagree but at the end I am saying that one can do it if they want.

you can ask me to prove that it was meant for that moment in time and i'll prove it by the verses you posted.

[Rick-Parker]

[nebula]

I have not been water baptised nor do i plan to do it.

OK - I will ask you:

Since water baptism - being immersed in water - is a perfect symbolic representation of our death, burial, and resurrection with Christ -

As is expressed in these verses:

Rom. 6

3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Col. 2

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Since you have not been baptized, how can these verses hold real and true meaning to you?

[exrockstar]

I have not been water baptised nor do i plan to do it.

OK - I will ask you:

Since water baptism - being immersed in water - is a perfect symbolic representation of our death, burial, and resurrection with Christ -

As is expressed in these verses:

Rom. 6

3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

Col. 2

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Since you have not been baptized, how can these verses hold real and true meaning to you?

youre pretty much agreeing with me.

However, you feel as though one has to go through the water baptism motion to show that one understands the symbolism?

[nebula]

However, you feel as though one has to go through the water baptism motion to show that one understands the symbolism?

Before I answer, I have a question - do you take Communion?