Rick-Parker Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 4,273 Content Per Day: 4.86 Reputation: 1,855 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I just couldn't imagine that God would reject someone from heaven if their only fault is believing in evolution. It may be misguided, but it does not affect one's salvation. In order to accept that you are descended from apes, you pretty much have to reject the Bible. Because if you reject Genesis and the Creation, you can't believe any of it. Now now, MG .... evolutionist throw out creationism; homosexual throws out sinful lust and biblical marriage; Scientology throws out God all together; JW's throw out the divinity of Christ; Mormons throw out heaven and Christ; Universalism throw out condemnation for sin ... Where is your PC face here? I'm wearing it, see? ....and "P.C." stands for "Praying Christian" in my house. Evolution of man from apes is not contradictory of Genesis - we are made in Gods image because we have a soul not our flesh. If that is true (being decendents of apes), then apes would have souls and would need to be saved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCISGD Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 64 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,345 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/05/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1961 Share Posted October 28, 2009 On this forum there is alot of discussion about darwinism, and i am not ashamed to say that i do not believe it and will continue to debate against it. But, does being a christian mean you can't at all accept darwinism? Should we say all that do not accept christian creationism are not truly saved? That depends on wether saving faith is just a mental assent to the teachings of Christ and the bible, which even the devil believes and trembles, or if it is faith that produces repentance from dead works and seeking of truth through the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSLewis Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 828 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/28/1980 Share Posted October 28, 2009 No because God breathed the soul into the first man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I just couldn't imagine that God would reject someone from heaven if their only fault is believing in evolution. It may be misguided, but it does not affect one's salvation. In order to accept that you are descended from apes, you pretty much have to reject the Bible. Because if you reject Genesis and the Creation, you can't believe any of it. Now now, MG .... evolutionist throw out creationism; homosexual throws out sinful lust and biblical marriage; Scientology throws out God all together; JW's throw out the divinity of Christ; Mormons throw out heaven and Christ; Universalism throw out condemnation for sin ... Where is your PC face here? I'm wearing it, see? ....and "P.C." stands for "Praying Christian" in my house. Evolution of man from apes is not contradictory of Genesis - we are made in Gods image because we have a soul not our flesh. If that is true (being decendents of apes), then apes would have souls and would need to be saved too. Not necessarily. There are different types of apes. Perhaps we were the type of ape that ate the forbidden fruit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritman Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,131 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1962 Share Posted October 28, 2009 There certainly is no contradiction to Micro-evolution in the scripture: which is of course the small changes that that occur in species over time. But Macro-evolution which insists that man descended from a common ancestor, when the Bible clearly teaches that God made man from the dust of the earth is a clear contraction of the Bible. If a Christian continues to preach this even after shown ample evidence then by definition he/she is a heretic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiritman Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,131 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 23 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/22/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/25/1962 Share Posted October 28, 2009 No because God breathed the soul into the first man So what you are saying is, that when God created man, He created man physically to look like an ape, but the God part of us is our souls, do I get this right? The problem with this is that Genesis makes it clear, that all descends (us) that came forth from all the animals including the first man,(Adam) came after their kind. this tells us that we look like Adam, and Adam looked like us. Also Evolutionists usually claim that the earlier primates did not have much in common with us. For example: they didn't know how to talk, and they didn't know how to conduct themselves in a civilized manner. but what does the Bible say; But as we see in Genesis chapter 3 Eve, and the serpent were actually having a conversation, and Adam and Eve were conversing. Cain and Able knew about agriculture, and abel tended sheep, probably for meat, and clothes. Indeed I see very little in common with the Evolutionists ideal of what our ancestors was like when I read scripture, and see that they had much more in common with us. sure they may have not had cars, and space shuttles; but it's close enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted October 28, 2009 I just couldn't imagine that God would reject someone from heaven if their only fault is believing in evolution. It may be misguided, but it does not affect one's salvation. In order to accept that you are descended from apes, you pretty much have to reject the Bible. Because if you reject Genesis and the Creation, you can't believe any of it. Now now, MG .... evolutionist throw out creationism; homosexual throws out sinful lust and biblical marriage; Scientology throws out God all together; JW's throw out the divinity of Christ; Mormons throw out heaven and Christ; Universalism throw out condemnation for sin ... Where is your PC face here? I'm wearing it, see? ....and "P.C." stands for "Praying Christian" in my house. Evolution of man from apes is not contradictory of Genesis - we are made in Gods image because we have a soul not our flesh. Show me Scripture to back up your claim and I'll agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellarose Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 388 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/02/1989 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I guess (personally) I think that believing in evolution is contrary to scripture, and undermines the authority of God's word. But I don't believe that someone who believes in evolution can't be a Christian. I think that some people haven't thought about it enough... Others may have several other reasons. I wouldn't want to judge one's soul based on thier believe of evolution, but rather on their repentance, faith in Christ and the fruit which they produce. I think it's extremely risky though. It tends to lead (from my experience) to undermining the authority of scripture as a whole and the innerancy of it. Definately scary stuff! Just my thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellarose Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 388 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/02/1989 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I just couldn't imagine that God would reject someone from heaven if their only fault is believing in evolution. It may be misguided, but it does not affect one's salvation. In order to accept that you are descended from apes, you pretty much have to reject the Bible. Because if you reject Genesis and the Creation, you can't believe any of it. Now now, MG .... evolutionist throw out creationism; homosexual throws out sinful lust and biblical marriage; Scientology throws out God all together; JW's throw out the divinity of Christ; Mormons throw out heaven and Christ; Universalism throw out condemnation for sin ... Where is your PC face here? I'm wearing it, see? ....and "P.C." stands for "Praying Christian" in my house. Evolution of man from apes is not contradictory of Genesis - we are made in Gods image because we have a soul not our flesh. If our soul evolved from slime then how can you make that point? How can you claim that is made in His image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSLewis Posted October 28, 2009 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 828 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/28/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/28/1980 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The soul did not evolve. The point of Genesis is not to teach science but be a polemic against near east religion through use of metaphor symbolism , prophetic foreshadowing and poetry. When we take things out of historical context and apply them to modern thought without thinking about to whom this book or letter was written and what the purpose of this book was then we run the risk of being very wrong. Literalism is not an effective way to extract meaning from the Bible. Both the diatribes of Dawkins and the sophistry of biblical literalism needs addressing. Both lead people astray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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