Is Gods the Covenant with the Jews Fulfilled?

[Nebuchadnezzar]

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

When Jesus Died on the cross for our sins, the kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to all those who accepted Christ as their savior.

Before Jesus died the high priest would go into the temple and make a blood offering for the sins of the people. He would go through the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Which had the golden censer, and the Ark of the Covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

When Christ died on the cross and the veil of the temple was rent, the Ark of the Covenant was taken by God. The covenant with the Jews was fulfilled! Jesus was The Lamb of God! No more animal-sacrifices. God gave the last blood sacrifice that God will accept, CHRIST!

The veil of the temple was rent signifying that the only way to get to the Holiest of all is through CHRIST!

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The fleshly children of Israel are not the Spiritual children of Israel. Only those who accept their saviour Jesus Christ!

Accept no substitute!

God is gathering the Spiritual Children of Israel through Faith in Christ!

God has turned the stony heart of the gentiles into children of Abraham. Hallelujah!

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Mat3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these {stones} to raise up children unto Abraham.

2 Cor:3 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

[George]

How does the RE-CREATION of Israel fit into PROPHECY?

Hosea 3:4

[mcfly1960]

We have a lot to learn from the story of Joseph and his 11 brothers as recorded at the end of Genesis.

The 11 brothers in Canaan sold Joseph into slavery, who was carried away to Egypt.

Later, Joseph by interpreting Pharaoh's dreams, saved Egypt from famine and was rewarded by Pharaoh, who made Joseph ruler over all Egypt.

The story ends with Joseph coming to the rescue of his father Jacob and his 11 brothers, who all move to Egypt.

Of course, the children of Israel in a later generation become slaves, are freed under Moses, and eventually cross the Jordan back into Canaan, the Promised Land, under the leadership of Joshua.

Both Joseph and Joshua, I believe, are prophetic types of Christ.

(Edited by mcfly1960 at 4:53 pm on Mar. 13, 2002)

[mcfly1960]

We must remember that the Church already consists of both natural and wild grafted-in branches of the olive tree. In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, all are one.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galations 3:28

We should pray that more branches be grafted in, both natural and wild.

(Edited by mcfly1960 at 8:24 am on Mar. 14, 2002)

[Guest All4Him]

Though it would seem as though God is through with the nation of Israel, we must not forget that there was a reason that Daniel saw the 70th week as something separate from the preceding 69.  There may be a long pause (2,000 years or so?) in the time period during which God uses Israel to communicate with His creation, but I do not believe He is totally through with them.  To suggest this would call Him a liar, as He made certain promises to Abraham in the context of forever.

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Quote: from Nebuchadnezzar

When Jesus Died on the cross for our sins, the kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to all those who accepted Christ as their savior.

Eph asks...

Well IF that is so Neb..??  Why isn't God done with them then..?

How come for whatever reason they show up again in REV 7..?

[mcfly1960]

Paul was afraid Gentiles might eventually feel this way, that they would become wise in their own conceits.

So he revealed a mystery:

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Romans 11:25

(Edited by mcfly1960 at 2:05 am on Mar. 25, 2002)

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Quote: from Nebuchadnezzar on 11:19 pm on Mar. 12, 2002

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

When Jesus Died on the cross for our sins, the kingdom of God was taken from the Jews and given to all those who accepted Christ as their savior.

Before Jesus died the high priest would go into the temple and make a blood offering for the sins of the people. He would go through the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Which had the golden censer, and the Ark of the Covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

When Christ died on the cross and the veil of the temple was rent, the Ark of the Covenant was taken by God. The covenant with the Jews was fulfilled! Jesus was The Lamb of God! No more animal-sacrifices. God gave the last blood sacrifice that God will accept, CHRIST!

The veil of the temple was rent signifying that the only way to get to the Holiest of all is through CHRIST!

But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

The fleshly children of Israel are not the Spiritual children of Israel. Only those who accept their saviour Jesus Christ!

Accept no substitute!

God is gathering the Spiritual Children of Israel through Faith in Christ!

God has turned the stony heart of the gentiles into children of Abraham. Hallelujah!

Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

Mat3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these {stones} to raise up children unto Abraham.

2 Cor:3 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Eph replies...

Well no...God still has a work to do with the Jews..and with Israel..That occurs in REV days..!

Remember they WILL (future tense)..look upon him whom they have pierced..!

[Guest EPHRIAM777]

Quote: from mcfly1960 on 4:58 am on Mar. 14, 2002

We must remember that the Church already consists of both natural and wild grafted-in branches of the olive tree. In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, all are one.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galations 3:28

Eph replies..

Well IN context of course...There is no male and female IN Christ...But that doesn't mean men can marry men..or women can marry women..right...??

God still has a job to finish with the Jews..and with Israel...These two (2) should not be mistaken with the CHURCH...Although the Church can be made up of anyone..it isn't made up of the vast majority of Jews..! They can't be Jews and BE Christians..at the same time..!

MCfly writes...

We should pray that more branches be grafted in, both natural and wild.

Eph writes...

God hasn't lost ONE that is his...be settled on that issue..!

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings All,

Well, I agree Romans makes it plain that God is NOT finished with Israel. Let me first give a very brief outline:

Romans 9 Paul laments that Israel rejected their Messiah.

Romans 10 Paul goes on to speak of how THEY (in fact anyone) is saved... "How can they hear unless someone is sent.

Romans 11 culminates with "has God forsaken Israel (Jacob)?" "God Forbid", they too will be grafted back in when their hearts are changed and the "fulness of the Gentiles be come in (to the kingdom)".

Now look at these verses:

Deut 4:26-31 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. 27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. 28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. 29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. 30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; 31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Now consider thse verses:

Romans 11:30-31 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

In the end (latter) days, during the tribulation spoken of by Daniel, the Jews were to be scattered among the nations. And if they were to repent and seek God with all their heart, God would hear their cry and remember the covenant made with them for their "Father's sake". Guess HOW they will hear? Romans 11:31 tells us plainly that it is Christians (primarily gentiles) that will take the message to the Jews, thus showing them mercy, even as we have been shown mercy by God.

By the way, Roman 11:15 is very interesting. What do you think "life from the dead" means? How about the "resurrection"? It isn't too long after the Jews are "grafted back in" is the time of the "resurrection".

Blessings,

Dad Ernie