Communion - Bread and Wine

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I am new here, and may have posted to a wrong person.

Shiloh357,

Before you start telling someone else what sprit he or she may be listening to, you should know what you are talking about at least.

You could say that you do think God would tell some one this or that, but who are you that you know so much? Is it your job to tell everyone if they are listening to God or not? You have an opinion and on forums that are OK to express, but unless it is scripture all it is; is opinion.

Scripture says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus. Now what that means should be left up to what Jesus tells each of us.

Do you think it matters to God if one believes the Eucharist is transubstantiation or not?

You made an assumption about what I believe, and had the nerve to say I was listening to a wrong spirit. That is one true insult. Is that kind of language allowed on this forum?

I wish I did believe in transubstantiation, because you believe it is so wrong. Do you realize the largest Christian Church says you are wrong?

In your opinion all those people are listening to the wrong spirit, is that right?

As you can see having people tell me I am listening to the wrong spirit is not taken lightly by me.

hiloh357

[Guest shiloh357]

Scripture says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus. Now what that means should be left up to what Jesus tells each of us.

The Bible never mentions the Eucharist. The term Eucharist is a post biblical concept. Furthermore, the Bible is very clear in what it means and does not really leave any room for guesswork. The elements of communion are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus. They are emblems of His suffering. They are not the literal body and blood of Jesus.

Jesus is not going to tell you one thing and tell someone else something different. That is why we have the Bible. It alone is the plumline of truth.

Do you think it matters to God if one believes the Eucharist is transubstantiation or not?

Yes.

I wish I did believe in transubstantiation, because you believe it is so wrong. Do you realize the largest Christian Church says you are wrong?

It also is steeped in idolatry, so I don't really see it as having any authority over me.

In your opinion all those people are listening to the wrong spirit, is that right?

Yes.

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Scripture says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus. Now what that means should be left up to what Jesus tells each of us.

The Bible never mentions the Eucharist. The term Eucharist is a post biblical concept. Furthermore, the Bible is very clear in what it means and does not really leave any room for guesswork. The elements of communion are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus. They are emblems of His suffering. They are not the literal body and blood of Jesus.

Jesus is not going to tell you one thing and tell someone else something different. That is why we have the Bible. It alone is the plumline of truth.

Do you think it matters to God if one believes the Eucharist is transubstantiation or not?

Yes.

I wish I did believe in transubstantiation, because you believe it is so wrong. Do you realize the largest Christian Church says you are wrong?

It also is steeped in idolatry, so I don't really see it as having any authority over me.

In your opinion all those people are listening to the wrong spirit, is that right?

Yes.

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[Guest shiloh357]

I don

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I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

Hyperbole is also used a lot. Jesus did not mean that it is just an exaggeration. Then people will go on and tell one what he really meant. Tell me how does anyone know unless Jesus told him or her? If Jesus told them he will tell us also right?

Metaphorically Is used much the same way as hyperbole, and the people who use this tool are of course the experts who can tell one just what Jesus meant. Wow they must be really intelligent, like us simple people can

[Guest shiloh357]

I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

God uses words to communicate. Words mean things and God does not circumvent the meanings and common usages of words. The Bible is piece of literature and it obeys the rules of literature and proper literary analysis is needed to understand what the author is trying to convey.

Interpretation is not arbitrary. It is not up to the reader to decide what the text means. It is the duty of the reader to understand any given text by keeping in mind the object the author has in view.

Hyperbole is also used a lot. Jesus did not mean that it is just an exaggeration. Then people will go on and tell one what he really meant. Tell me how does anyone know unless Jesus told him or her? If Jesus told them he will tell us also right?

Metaphorically Is used much the same way as hyperbole, and the people who use this tool are of course the experts who can tell one just what Jesus meant. Wow they must be really intelligent, like us simple people can

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I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

But the bible was written also in Greek, and understanding the root of any word is important. Even just understanding the plain meaning is important. It is also good to have a working knowledge of some Latin, even in everyday life, because so many English words stem from the Latin.

The study of the scriptures is enhanced when one understands the original word/s and intention/meaning of scripture, and a course in hermeneutics is a good way to start?

For me it is not about looking up the Greek meaning to try and change my understanding of Scripture to fit my needs, it is about understanding the scripture better, in order to increase my knowledge.

[Thankful 1]

I would like to share some of the tools people use to twist the written Word of God.

The tool often used is the Greek Word.

I believe the Holy Spirit was much involved with the people that translated the Greek scripture to the English version. I also believe they understood the Greek as well or better than the people who try to make people believe the English version is not accurate.

What a con and an elitist act it is to use a study of a language to try and convince others he or she is right because they have some special knowledge of a language.

But the bible was written also in Greek, and understanding the root of any word is important. Even just understanding the plain meaning is important. It is also good to have a working knowledge of some Latin, even in everyday life, because so many English words stem from the Latin.

The study of the scriptures is enhanced when one understands the original word/s and intention/meaning of scripture, and a course in hermeneutics is a good way to start?

For me it is not about looking up the Greek meaning to try and change my understanding of Scripture to fit my needs, it is about understanding the scripture better, in order to increase my knowledge.

That is good if studying Greek helps you in your understanding of scripture. My objection is when a person changes what a Bible version says; by saying he or she has a better translation.

What a Greek word means today, may very well have had a total different meaning to the author of the Bible verse.

Gay meant happy when I was young.

[Guest shiloh357]

That is good if studying Greek helps you in your understanding of scripture. My objection is when a person changes what a Bible version says; by saying he or she has a better translation.

when has anyone done that in this thread. What I have been at issue with is what you claim Jesus told you. I have not been pitting one translation against another one. You on the other hand, have been applying the word "Eucharist" to the Bible and Eucharist appears nowhere in the Greek text of Scriopture. If anything you have been adding to what the Scripture says.

What a Greek word means today, may very well have had a total different meaning to the author of the Bible verse.

Then you should not trust any English translation of the Greek NT.

Gay meant happy when I was young.

that has to do with etymology, not translation.

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The Holy Spirit told me the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of Jesus.

If this is so, how does it not violate the command not to drink blood?

Several verses