LukeWarm, Laodacean Type Christianity

[Sir Gareth]

However, on the other hand because we are saved, we are different. But this doesn't mean that we can go around questioning the Salvation of others or claiming that they are unsaved still.....

some here on the board live under the idea of:

"if they have not changed in the inside they must not be saved...."

That is actually very true.

While i byno means think anyone will be perfect this side of eternity there definatly is a change when you accept Jesus. it may not be overnight or it may but over time you will be sanctified by God, it is not we who change but God who changes us.

[exrockstar]

However, on the other hand because we are saved, we are different. But this doesn't mean that we can go around questioning the Salvation of others or claiming that they are unsaved still.....

some here on the board live under the idea of:

"if they have not changed in the inside they must not be saved...."

That is actually very true.

While i byno means think anyone will be perfect this side of eternity there definatly is a change when you accept Jesus. it may not be overnight or it may but over time you will be sanctified by God, it is not we who change but God who changes us.

it's not the "changing" that is the issue but rather you observing to see who is changing and who is not.

"He must be saved...."

"oh he must not be saved...."

very Salem-Witch-trial-like.

[Guest shiloh357]

However, on the other hand because we are saved, we are different. But this doesn't mean that we can go around questioning the Salvation of others or claiming that they are unsaved still.....

some here on the board live under the idea of:

"if they have not changed in the inside they must not be saved...."

That is actually very true.

While i byno means think anyone will be perfect this side of eternity there definatly is a change when you accept Jesus. it may not be overnight or it may but over time you will be sanctified by God, it is not we who change but God who changes us.

it's not the "changing" that is the issue but rather you observing to see who is changing and who is not.

"He must be saved...."

"oh he must not be saved...."

very Salem-Witch-trial-like.

That is not true. Only YOU know if you have been transformed by the Holy Spirit. No one can look around to see who is or is not. If you are not a new creation in Christ, you are not a Christian. It is as simple as that.

[Guest shiloh357]

In Revelation3:14-19, Jesus mentions of the church of Laodacea. He called them lukewarm and said that He would spit them out of His mouth. To be spit out of His mouth is obviously a bad thing to happen. Lukewarm christians are people that do profess Christ, but are not walking the walk and are not living the life. They think they can serve both God and be worldly at the same time. They have put other things before God. Jesus said "if you love me, keep My comandments(John14:15)." Jesus wasn't just kidding when He said that. The apostle John also said that this is the love of God to keep "His" commandments(1st John5:7).

Lukewarm christians want to profess Christ and carry the name of a believer in Christ, but don't want to be Christlike. They still want to do the things of the world. They hold onto worldly lusts and ungodliness, rather than live in righteousness(as Titus2:12 explains).

This is a very dangerous thing to be lukewarm for the Lord Himself said that He would spit this brand of christians out of His mouth. What do you think it means to be spit out of His mouth? How would you define being spit out of His mouth?

Lukewarm water in biblical days was full of harmful bacteria and parasites and would make a person violently ill. Water that was lukewarm often had to be boiled before using. Jesus was using lukewarm water as a metaphor for worldly believers.

Hot water has healing and cleansing properties. Cold water is refreshing and edifying, but lukewarm water had no postive value.

[exrockstar]

That is not true. Only YOU know if you have been transformed by the Holy Spirit. No one can look around to see who is or is not. If you are not a new creation in Christ, you are not a Christian. It is as simple as that.

it takes doctrine and time for one to transform.

keep it simple and logical.

besides, you are a new creation at the moment of salvation. instantaneously. period.

[Guest shiloh357]

it takes doctrine and time for one to transform.

keep it simple and logical.

No, that is sanctification. Tranformation is instaneous. That does not mean we are automatically flawless in our daily lives. We are daily being changed into the image of Christ. That is what sanctification is for. That is a different issue than the inner transformation that makes us a new creation.

besides, you are a new creation at the moment of salvation. instantaneously. period.

Yeah, that is what I said.

[refugepsa91]

In Revelation3:14-19, Jesus mentions of the church of Laodacea. He called them lukewarm and said that He would spit them out of His mouth. To be spit out of His mouth is obviously a bad thing to happen. Lukewarm christians are people that do profess Christ, but are not walking the walk and are not living the life. They think they can serve both God and be worldly at the same time. They have put other things before God. Jesus said "if you love me, keep My comandments(John14:15)." Jesus wasn't just kidding when He said that. The apostle John also said that this is the love of God to keep "His" commandments(1st John5:7).

Lukewarm christians want to profess Christ and carry the name of a believer in Christ, but don't want to be Christlike. They still want to do the things of the world. They hold onto worldly lusts and ungodliness, rather than live in righteousness(as Titus2:12 explains).

This is a very dangerous thing to be lukewarm for the Lord Himself said that He would spit this brand of christians out of His mouth. What do you think it means to be spit out of His mouth? How would you define being spit out of His mouth?

Lukewarm water in biblical days was full of harmful bacteria and parasites and would make a person violently ill. Water that was lukewarm often had to be boiled before using. Jesus was using lukewarm water as a metaphor for worldly believers.

Hot water has healing and cleansing properties. Cold water is refreshing and edifying, but lukewarm water had no postive value.

And there it is...the answer to the OP's question...

I thought it was a good question...one I've never really thought of before.

Thank you Shiloh for answering it!

[CAP73]

Lukewarm water in biblical days was full of harmful bacteria and parasites and would make a person violently ill. Water that was lukewarm often had to be boiled before using. Jesus was using lukewarm water as a metaphor for worldly believers.

Hot water has healing and cleansing properties. Cold water is refreshing and edifying, but lukewarm water had no postive value.

I never heard that verse explained that way. Got to remember it.

[exrockstar]

why would Jesus want to drink water in the first place? and why would that analogy fit a story about a church that preaches "prosperity doctrine?"

my study bible talks about the "bacteria and water" analogy but i dont buy it. doesnt fit.

[Guest shiloh357]

why would Jesus want to drink water in the first place? and why would that analogy fit a story about a church that preaches "prosperity doctrine?"

my study bible talks about the "bacteria and water" analogy but i dont buy it. doesnt fit.

It does fit. Laodecia did not have its own water supply but had water that was piped in from Colosse, and another city. By the time the water reached Laodecia it was full of parasites. Parasites and bacteria grow in lukewarm water. So the water had to be treated before drinking.

Jesus used the lukewarm water as a metaphor for the worldliness of the Laodecians who thought their thin Chrisitan veneer was sufficient and they could live worldly lives.

So, the metaphor does fit when you take into consideration that lukewarm water was something very pertinent to the Laodecians, and was something for which they had a very person frame of reference.