Understanding Greek

[~candice~]

Can someone please explain the greek to me here?

Joh 6:29

(GNT) ἀπεκρίθη ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· τοῦτό ἐστι τὸ ἔργον τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἵνα πιστεύσητε εἰς ὃν ἀπέστειλεν ἐκεῖνος.

(KJV+) JesusG2424 answeredG611 andG2532 saidG2036 unto them,G846 ThisG5124 isG2076 theG3588 workG2041 of God,G2316 thatG2443 ye believeG4100 onG1519 him whomG3739 heG1565 hath sent.G649

(MKJV) Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent.

I want to know whether this is work that God has done in them, or work that God has for them. In other words, does God work in us to believe, or is it our task to believe? The previous verse to me puts it in context - they wanted to do the work of God.

I think I know the answer, but how do you read the greek to figure this out?

Blessings

Andy

[OneLight]

Just to give you another tool, Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic will give you more to work with. It take a little time to get use to, but in time, it is no problem to read. Download the 2.1.1 version.

[~candice~]

Just to give you another tool, Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic will give you more to work with. It take a little time to get use to, but in time, it is no problem to read. Download the 2.1.1 version.

I downloaded it, but when I tried to use it, it made no sense to me! E-sword seems more intuitive to me.

[OneLight]

This is what the application gives ...

Joh 6:29

ἀπεκρίθη .....ὁ........᾿Ιησοῦς.....καὶ.....εἶπεν....αὐτοῖς·......τοῦτό....ἐστι....τὸ.......ἔργον....τοῦ .......Θεοῦ,....ἵνα.......πιστεύσητε

answerED....THE......JESUS.....AND....said.....to-them.....this......IS......THE.....work.....of-the....God......THAT....YE_MAY_BE_BELIEVING

εἰς.........ὃν..........ἀπέστειλεν............ἐκεῖνος.

INTO.....WHOM.....He-commissions....that-One

sorry about the dots, but this dose not like to save spacing.

[~candice~]

This is what the application gives ...

Joh 6:29

ἀπεκρίθη ὁ ᾿Ιησοῦς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· τοῦτό ἐστι τὸ ἔργον τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἵνα πιστεύσητε

answerED THE JESUS AND said to-them this IS THE work of-the God THAT YE_MAY_BE_BELIEVING

εἰς ὃν ἀπέστειλεν ἐκεῖνος.

INTO WHOM He-commissions that-One

One, can you expand? I know the answer to my question, just not how to use the greek to demonstrate that it means for not of.

Blessings,

Andy

[OneLight]

Just to give you another tool, Interlinear Scripture Analyzer 2 basic will give you more to work with. It take a little time to get use to, but in time, it is no problem to read. Download the 2.1.1 version.

I downloaded it, but when I tried to use it, it made no sense to me! E-sword seems more intuitive to me.

Make sure to have the following set. Under Interlinear on the toolbar, make sure WHNA; Strong; CGTS and CGES_id are checked.

[OneLight]

This is what the application gives ...

ἀπεκρίθη .....ὁ........᾿Ιησοῦς.....καὶ.....εἶπεν....αὐτοῖς·......τοῦτό....ἐστι....τὸ.......ἔργον....τοῦ .......Θεοῦ,....ἵνα.......πιστεύσητε

answerED....THE......JESUS.....AND....said.....to-them.....this......IS......THE.....work.....of-the....God......THAT....YE_MAY_BE_BELIEVING

εἰς.........ὃν..........ἀπέστειλεν............ἐκεῖνος.

INTO.....WHOM.....He-commissions....that-One

One, can you expand? I know the answer to my question, just not how to use the greek to demonstrate that it means for not of.

Blessings,

Andy

I am not 100% sure I understand exactly what you are asking, to be honest. Are you asking what τοῦ is meaning in this verse or how to explain how it is used? The latter, I can not really give you no more then what I think, nothing technical.

I will add that with a proper noun in the genitive following, often denoted affinity, according to my Greek dictionary.

[~candice~]

This is what the application gives ...

ἀπεκρίθη .....ὁ........᾿Ιησοῦς.....καὶ.....εἶπεν....αὐτοῖς·......τοῦτό....ἐστι....τὸ.......ἔργον....τοῦ .......Θεοῦ,....ἵνα.......πιστεύσητε

answerED....THE......JESUS.....AND....said.....to-them.....this......IS......THE.....work.....of-the....God......THAT....YE_MAY_BE_BELIEVING

εἰς.........ὃν..........ἀπέστειλεν............ἐκεῖνος.

INTO.....WHOM.....He-commissions....that-One

One, can you expand? I know the answer to my question, just not how to use the greek to demonstrate that it means for not of.

Blessings,

Andy

I am not 100% sure I understand exactly what you are asking, to be honest. Are you asking what τοῦ is meaning in this verse or how to explain how it is used? The latter, I can not really give you no more then what I think, nothing technical.

I will add that with a proper noun in the genitive following, often denoted affinity, according to my Greek dictionary.

I realise that to properly interpret scripture, we need to

• look at the passage itself
  
• put it into context
  
• make sure it fits with the other scriptures
  

I can do the second two, but the first one I sometimes stumble on.

If this was the a passage in isolation from all others, how would you determine whether or not it means A or B?

A - God has worked in us (past tense) so that we believe. i.e. God has done a work in me which resulted in me believing in Him.

B - God wants me to do a work, i.e. to believe (present tense) in His Son.

I thought there might be something in the greek to answer the above question.

Sorry I am so confusing. I often struggle to ask my questions in a way that makes sense and I am misunderstood often.

[OneLight]

Don't worry, when I am tiered, I am very easily confused!

The Bread from Heaven

22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered,[c] and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone

[~candice~]

Don't worry, when I am tiered, I am very easily confused!

The Bread from Heaven

22 On the following day, when the people who were standing on the other side of the sea saw that there was no other boat there, except that one which His disciples had entered,[c] and that Jesus had not entered the boat with His disciples, but His disciples had gone away alone