Guest The Quiet Seeker Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Perhaps the Satan we've been trained to fear all our lives is a misrepresentation designed to keep people contrite? Perhaps the only devil in anyone's lives is the one in the mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2010 Perhaps the Satan we've been trained to fear all our lives is a misrepresentation designed to keep people contrite? Perhaps the only devil in anyone's lives is the one in the mirror. Care to explain? Dropping bombs like that with no explanation makes your comments worthless ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babbler Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 72 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 550 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/08/2009 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 What the binding of Satan means is that after the coming of the long-expected Messiah, Satan lost certain authority which he possessed prior to the life, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of the Savior. It does not mean all satanic operations cease. When Jesus drove out the demons, he actually proclaimed his authority over Satan and the arrival of his kingdom. He said, "How can one enter a strong man's house unless he first binds the strong man?" Although Satan is bound during the present age, this does not mean that he ceases to be the "god of this age" who blinds "the minds of unbelievers" (2 Cor 4:4), "the ruler of the kingdom of the air' (Eph 2:2), and the one who "prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8). Satan continues to do all these things. It is kind of Ironic that we have the same differences that the Jews did when Christ was before them. Some Jews expected the spiritual Messiah and others expected Christ to seat himself in the Temple and take political control on earth. Today we have Christians expecting the Savior to return on the Last day and take his followers to his heavenly kingdom, while others expect a political rule for a thousand years. What is that saying about history, "Those who ignore it are bound to repeat it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lekh l'kha Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 830 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/14/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted February 9, 2010 Satan was defeated at the cross, not bound at the cross: "And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death... ... And the dragon was enraged over the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. " Rev 12:9-11, 17). He can't make war against the saints if he's bound. He was defeated at the cross, but he is not yet bound - and the only One powerful enough to bind him is the One who also defeated him at the cross: "And I saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time." (Rev 20:1-3). In the wisdom of God, he has permitted His defeated foe to continue his activity in teh world until he is bound, then at the close of the millennium God will loose him again once last time for just a short time. We assume that because Jesus is the One with all authority in heaven and in the earth, He has bound Satan. But He hasn't - not yet, anyway. lekh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted February 9, 2010 What is that saying about history, "Those who ignore it are bound to repeat it." Does that mean that those who ignore history are tied up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Perhaps the Satan we've been trained to fear all our lives is a misrepresentation designed to keep people contrite? Perhaps the only devil in anyone's lives is the one in the mirror. Feh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted February 9, 2010 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Perhaps the Satan we've been trained to fear all our lives is a misrepresentation designed to keep people contrite? Perhaps the only devil in anyone's lives is the one in the mirror. You got that right! Salvation is about saving us from our selves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Mark 3, 23 Summoning them, he began to speak in parables, "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him. But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house." So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby. The term 'abyss,' that Satan is bound to, is used as a metaphor for the nations of the world that have risen out of the sea. Satan has been bound to this abyss that we call earth. After the seventy-two returned from plundering Satan's kingdom. What did Jesus say? "I have observed Satan fall like lightning from the sky."--Luke 10, 17 Satan is no longer allowed to visit the celestial throne. You have to look at the context of what was taking place to get the meaning of Jesus' words. Christ had been casting out devils, and the religious crowd that had denied him were saying he was casting out devils through the power of the devil. All Jesus was saying is that it would make no sense for Satan to cast out Satan. If he did so, that would mean he was fighting against himself, and if he were to do that, his kingdom could not stand. A Kingdom divided against itself will fall. There are a couple of ways one can view verse 27. On the one hand, when a demonic spirit possesses someone, they have somehow gotten the victory over their host and bound that man or woman up. They have taken over. Then, in order to set that man or woman free, one stronger than the devils must bind the devil and cast them out. The one who is stronger is Jesus Christ, and through delegated authority, we are able to cast out devils in his name. When the devils are cast out, they go back into the air space looking for a new host. As for the Satan being bound for 1000 years, turn to Revelation 20:1-3 1 AND I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. Satan will indeed be bound for a thousand years after the battle of Armaggedon takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted March 11, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted March 11, 2010 Mark 3, 23 Summoning them, he began to speak in parables, "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him. But no one can enter a strong man's house to plunder his property unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house." So why do people expect Satan to be bound up in the future, for a thousand years. Christ said Satan is tied up. I give more relevance to the words of Christ than the teachings of John Nelson Darby. The term 'abyss,' that Satan is bound to, is used as a metaphor for the nations of the world that have risen out of the sea. Satan has been bound to this abyss that we call earth. After the seventy-two returned from plundering Satan's kingdom. What did Jesus say? "I have observed Satan fall like lightning from the sky."--Luke 10, 17 Satan is no longer allowed to visit the celestial throne. I do have to question any one who would ask such a question, "Is Jesus a liar?" All things will be done in the order of God from right at this moment until we behold all the splender of the new heaven and the new earth. For we can't even comprehend nor are we able to hear what all will be there but all will be fulfilled as there are things that have happened and come to pass in my generation and though I didn't see all fulfilled in my generation thus far it will all happen in the order of God. 1 Corinthians 15:21-28.................in these verses notice key words that gives us understanding. vs. 23----"every man in his own order"-----"afterwards" vs. 24------"Then"-----"when"-----"when" vs. 25-----"till" vs. 26----"that"-----"shall" vs 28-----"when"-----"then" The Lord's time and in his order the things of God will come to pass. Some studying can do a soul good and say, "It is well with my soul" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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