Is suicide an "unforgivable" sin

[exrockstar]

i don't think one who commits suicide goes to hell. i will bet my soul on it.

Why would you want to intentionally hurt Jesus, don't you love Him?

i never liked christians that use guilt as a counterpoint;

that and "you must be baptized to show obedience."

both controlling statements.

you wont go to hell for suicide but you'll never gain the rewards that you could have.

[Smalcald]

You don't have any idea if someone who called themselves a Christian would go to hell if they committed suicide, why are you encouraging people to do so? Because that is what you are doing when you assure Christians that they won't go to hell if they kill themselves. The fact is they just might as they would die in the very act of denying any faith in Christ through their actions.

Faith is something we show and live, people who hate life do not show a love of Christ and we would have to question if they ever really had faith at all.

[exrockstar]

You don't have any idea if someone who called themselves a Christian would go to hell if they committed suicide, why are you encouraging people to do so? Because that is what you are doing when you assure Christians that they won't go to hell if they kill themselves. The fact is they just might as they would die in the very act of denying any faith in Christ through their actions.

i never "encouraged" anyone.

step away from the computer and go for a walk. get some fresh air.

[Guest man]

You don't have any idea if someone who called themselves a Christian would go to hell if they committed suicide, why are you encouraging people to do so? Because that is what you are doing when you assure Christians that they won't go to hell if they kill themselves. The fact is they just might as they would die in the very act of denying any faith in Christ through their actions.

i never "encouraged" anyone.

What do you call this?

you wont go to hell for suicide but you'll never gain the rewards that you could have.

[Guest man]

What do you call this?

you wont go to hell for suicide but you'll never gain the rewards that you could have.

the truth!

This coming from someone who believes that anyone who is ill is demon possessed.

if you're going to make a statement like that about me, you need to produce a quote. i double dog dare you to do it. i never said that. if you cannot come up with a quote and you're simply trying to discredit me, please do so with what i've said in this thread.

Sorry, I spoke a bit too fast. I meant to say that you believe all physical ailments are demonic in origin. My bad.

[Guest man]

What do you call this?

you wont go to hell for suicide but you'll never gain the rewards that you could have.

the truth!

This coming from someone who believes that anyone who is ill is demon possessed.

if you're going to make a statement like that about me, you need to produce a quote. i double dog dare you to do it. i never said that. if you cannot come up with a quote and you're simply trying to discredit me, please do so with what i've said in this thread.

Sorry, I spoke a bit too fast. I meant to say that you believe all physical ailments are demonic in origin. My bad.

and that has what to do with this thread??

Nothing actually. I've just noticed that some of your statements don't line up with the Word. You state them as if they're fact. You don't know for certain what will happen to the soul of someone who commits suicide. Nobody does. The only thing we can say for certain is we will all stand before God one day. Those who die a natural death, and those who don't. The only one who knows for sure is God.

Telling someone they with go to heaven if they commit suicide is treating another mans soul as if it is nothing. We don't know, so we shouldn't act as if we do.

[Guest man]

and which statements do i make that dont line up with the Word? quotes again, please.

i know for certain that if i kill myself i will go to heaven. if i cannot count on that, i cannot count on anything written in the Word of God. if that is the case, it really doesnt matter how i die--whether by my hand or by natural causes.

i don't think one who commits suicide goes to hell. i will bet my soul on it.

Show me where it speaks of suicide and the promise of entering heaven after one commits such an act.

[exrockstar]

Show me where it speaks of suicide and the promise of entering heaven after one commits such an act.

the thing is that you have wrapped the gospel around actions. Taking ones life or taking another's life is no different.

you are concluding that if one takes their own life then they must go to hell.

if you make salvation "Secure" around ones actions then you do not know salvation.

your belief is not unique. there are people around here that believe the way you do.

[Guest man]

Show me where it speaks of suicide and the promise of entering heaven after one commits such an act.

the thing is that you have wrapped the gospel around actions. Taking ones life or taking another's life is no different.

you are concluding that if one takes their own life then they must go to hell.

I know better than to do something like that.

if you make salvation "Secure" around ones actions then you do not know salvation.

your belief is not unique. there are people around here that believe the way you do.

I would hope so.

[Smalcald]

Nothing actually. I've just noticed that some of your statements don't line up with the Word. You state them as if they're fact. You don't know for certain what will happen to the soul of someone who commits suicide. Nobody does. The only thing we can say for certain is we will all stand before God one day. Those who die a natural death, and those who don't. The only one who knows for sure is God.

Telling someone they with go to heaven if they commit suicide is treating another mans soul as if it is nothing. We don't know, so we shouldn't act as if we do.

and which statements do i make that dont line up with the Word? quotes again, please.

i know for certain that if i kill myself i will go to heaven. if i cannot count on that, i cannot count on anything written in the Word of God. if that is the case, it really doesnt matter how i die--whether by my hand or by natural causes.

But turn it around just a little.

For example saying "I know for sure that if I die while plunging a knife into another human I will go to heaven."

Sure suicide IS forgiven, look at the many people who have attempted suicide who did not succeed and were forgiven for this sin and came to faith in Christ. The assurance of salvation is certainly not dependent on our actions. All our actions do is show us if we have faith or not.

Does being born again mean anything at all? Can I be born again and continue in un-repentant sin, knowing it is sin and yet saying I don't care refusing to repent refusing to have a contrite heart to even be sorry for our sin? I would stick by my earlier statement that this is not about forgiveness as all sin can be forgiven it is about having faith or not, someone who spits in the face of God by killing themselves or their neighbor AND refuses to repent likely does not have faith regardless of whatever fantasy they may have about their faith.

9I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Is suicide or adultery or murder without sorrow; a way of showing that you are a slave of God and reaping holiness? No we are free of sin we have forgiveness but we can no longer live in sin if we are saved, we won't WANT to live in unrepentant sin if we are saved.

I don't know how that would play out for someone who dies without repentance?

Some people may get a chance to come to faith at the moment of death, there are some who believe that I am kind of on the fence with that one, but that would be the only option in this case.

My concern is not making people feel bad or being unsympathetic to this issue, it is those who seriously consider suicide because they are counting on heaven and those people do exist, I am not trying to control or scare them I am just trying to be realistic about what may indeed happen.