Christian Singer Jennifer Knapp Says She's Gay

[wyguy]

The damage has only just begun.

From most of the recent polls I've read, more and more Christians don't have an issue with homosexuality, and think there's nothing wrong with being a practicing homosexual and a Christian - esp. younger Christians. How twisted is that?

That is pretty disturbing. But that is what they are getting from popular culture. The very sector of our culture that laughed and mocked those who pointed out that kids are affected by what they see on TV and in the movies, is the same group using TV, music videos and movies to influence our kids.

True. Thanks to the schools and the things mentioned above, these days it's the evangelicals that are the freaks for thinking that people aren't "born" gay.

[Isaiah 6:8]

Speaking of Paul

Romans 1

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man

[wyguy]

Do not let anyone fool you, they know what they are doing is sin, yet they approve!

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;..." (Isaiah 5:20)

[fromIslam2Christ]

When someone says I AM GAY, they are affirming an IDENTITY.

I agree with LadyC and Massorite here.

When in Christ, we are a new creation and BY FAITH we believe we have a new identity IN CHRIST.

No more gay, no more alcoholic....

We believe we have been FREED and DELIVERED through CHRIST.

As a Christian, I am not going to walk around and introduce myself to people saying, Hi guys, I am murdered, a prostitute, a Muslim, a porn addict....

No!

By Faith, I will beleive that though I was a sinner, Christ came and died for me so I could be freed from the bondage of my flesh identity, and I have ATTAINED MY NEW IDENTITY as a Christian through Christ....

The process of sanctification and change to become an imitation of Christ can now begin through the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.

[Arthur Durnan]

Knapp fails to understand the very genesis of homosexuality, via nurture, not nature. It's an adventitious condition that - apart from a very small residue of hard-core cases - is strongly influenced by the ultraliberal culture, intense peer pressure, tragically abysmal lack of Judeo-Christian moral standards, and of course, family/marital disintegration surrounding the young person's early years & early gender mis-identity. Dr. Joseph Berger of the University of Toronto stated: "I've never come across anyone with innate homosexuality." Well spoken indeed. Jennifer Knapp take note.

[Rick-Parker]

When someone says I AM GAY, they are affirming an IDENTITY.

I agree with LadyC and Massorite here.

When in Christ, we are a new creation and BY FAITH we believe we have a new identity IN CHRIST.

No more gay, no more alcoholic....

We believe we have been FREED and DELIVERED through CHRIST.

As a Christian, I am not going to walk around and introduce myself to people saying, Hi guys, I am murdered, a prostitute, a Muslim, a porn addict....

No!

By Faith, I will beleive that though I was a sinner, Christ came and died for me so I could be freed from the bondage of my flesh identity, and I have ATTAINED MY NEW IDENTITY as a Christian through Christ....

The process of sanctification and change to become an imitation of Christ can now begin through the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.

I don't think that anyone (I'm not anyway) is saying that they are not a new person, that they still walk around telling people that they are/were gay, a sex addict, dope fiend or alcoholic; except as a part of their testimony. Those truly saved ARE a new person in Christ and the old person is dead. I do know that I can't be around a bunch of people shooting heroin or smoking dope, using meth, or hang out in a bar, and for gays, hang out with their former gay friends. I (and they) are not still in bondage to our former sin life, but I have enough sense to know that it is very easy to backslide into former habits unless I keep my eyes firmly affixed on Christ and the Cross. I don't believe for one minute that gays who are saved walk around telling themselves that they are gay and just celibate, but that they have been changed by Christ and are free from the desire as long as they stay away from the trappings of their sin.

You can argue all you want, but there ARE two ways to look at Satan's bondage, and how one looks at themselves; while there is only one way to defeat Satan and escape the bondage. We need to stop making judgments on these people within the Body of Christ, get out of their minds and treat them as any other member of the Faithful as long as they have repented of their sinful lifestyle/bondage.

[fromIslam2Christ]

I don't believe for one minute that gays who are saved walk around telling themselves that they are gay and just celibate, but that they have been changed by Christ and are free from the desire as long as they stay away from the trappings of their sin.

You can argue all you want, but there ARE two ways to look at Satan's bondage, and how one looks at themselves; while there is only one way to defeat Satan and escape the bondage. We need to stop making judgments on these people within the Body of Christ, get out of their minds and treat them as any other member of the Faithful as long as they have repented of their sinful lifestyle/bondage.

Parker:

You and I are actually agreeing.

I am responding to the original post about Jennifer Knapp and the fact that her identity should be Christian, and not gay. It is about the identity we choose to endorse.

Of course, all of us are sinners. If we have a weakness, why hang out in an environment that encourages us to fall?

Just clarifying:

1) I am not arguing.

2) I am not passing judgment as God and I know I have sin in my life I am trying to deal with and I am NO WAY in any position to point fingers or throw stones...

What I am saying is: BY FAITH (and that is the beauty of the Gospel) we as sinners are given a new identity in Christ. Based on this new identity, the Holy Spirit can begin working within us to transform us. Period.

So the whole new liberal Christianity movement of saying : I AM GAY and PROUD and CHRISTIAN..... To me, that's where we need to be careful... That'.s when we start digging through the Bible to find verses out of context to justify our own sinful wants. That's how we start speculating that Paul was homosexual....

[Guest LadyC]

parker, you're not paying close attention. knapp IS identifying herself as gay, and IS saying it is not a sin. she is willfully in bondage to it. furthermore, this is not uncommon at all. in fact, it's so common that new threads about gay christians are constantly popping up.

so again i ask this question:

if you think of yourself as gay, then you do not think of yourself as a new creature in Christ. if someone does not consider themselves a new creature in Christ, are they?

this is not a trick question, and there is only one right answer. you either ARE, or ARE NOT, a new creature in Christ.

[Rick-Parker]

I don't believe for one minute that gays who are saved walk around telling themselves that they are gay and just celibate, but that they have been changed by Christ and are free from the desire as long as they stay away from the trappings of their sin.

You can argue all you want, but there ARE two ways to look at Satan's bondage, and how one looks at themselves; while there is only one way to defeat Satan and escape the bondage. We need to stop making judgments on these people within the Body of Christ, get out of their minds and treat them as any other member of the Faithful as long as they have repented of their sinful lifestyle/bondage.

Parker:

You and I are actually agreeing.

I am responding to the original post about Jennifer Knapp and the fact that her identity should be Christian, and not gay. It is about the identity we choose to endorse.

Of course, all of us are sinners. If we have a weakness, why hang out in an environment that encourages us to fall?

Just clarifying:

1) I am not arguing.

2) I am not passing judgment as God and I know I have sin in my life I am trying to deal with and I am NO WAY in any position to point fingers or throw stones...

What I am saying is: BY FAITH (and that is the beauty of the Gospel) we as sinners are given a new identity in Christ. Based on this new identity, the Holy Spirit can begin working within us to transform us. Period.

So the whole new liberal Christianity movement of saying : I AM GAY and PROUD and CHRISTIAN..... To me, that's where we need to be careful... That'.s when we start digging through the Bible to find verses out of context to justify our own sinful wants. That's how we start speculating that Paul was homosexual....

I totally agree.

[Rick-Parker]

parker, you're not paying close attention. knapp IS identifying herself as gay, and IS saying it is not a sin. she is willfully in bondage to it. furthermore, this is not uncommon at all. in fact, it's so common that new threads about gay christians are constantly popping up.

so again i ask this question:

if you think of yourself as gay, then you do not think of yourself as a new creature in Christ. if someone does not consider themselves a new creature in Christ, are they?

this is not a trick question, and there is only one right answer. you either ARE, or ARE NOT, a new creature in Christ.

I'm not even talking about that woman. I am talking about gays who have renounced their homosexuality, have accepted Christ as their Savior and are a new person. They may still acknowledge that at on point they were gay. I know some who still dress "butch" but are some of the strongest Christians and are leaders of outreach towards the gay community. I'm not in the head of the changed person and how they think of themselves. That is between them and their Savior. I am a new person, but I am also a clean and sober alcoholic and drug addict. Do you judge me on that or do you accept my words about my salvation as true? That is what we have to consider when were look at these people. I can't say it any more clearer than that, neither do I want to continue in this conversation with you. To me, you seem to have become more confrontational lately and I want no part of it. Be blessed.