Sin, once repented, always forgiven?

[Guest Called]

Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. 1 Corinthians 9:27

For now we really live, since you are standing firm in the Lord.1 Thess. 3:8

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 3,4

So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall! 1 Corinthians 10:12

You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. Galatians 5:4

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where " 'their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.' Mark 9:43-48

He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. Luke 13:24

Here is the scriptural backing and there are many more verses just like these.... I just don't have the time to put them on here right now...I am at work...God Bless!

[Kabowd]

Called, I'm at school right now..but I'll respond to your post whenever I'm able to. In the mean time, are you going to continue to ignore the Scriptures I've posted? And are you trying to use Scripture to combat Scripture? Until someone explains the other verses, all you're doing is throwing out more verses that imply there is contradiction. This is a dangerous way to debate or discuss the Word. In order to fully understand, we need to study individual verses deeply (in context)..instead of continuing to pile Scriptures upon Scriptures that seem to combat eachother.

I really don't think we should move on until we're on the same page with the verses I listed earlier. Or at the very least until someone directly resonds to John 10:28 and Matthew 7:23.

[apothanein kerdos]

*sigh*

Again, called, you're using scripture to counteract against other scripture. This is borderline heretical in that it's an attempt to show a contradiction within the scripture. You have still ignored the scriptures and interpretations I've put forth. Thus I have to come to the conclusion that you're rather embrace a false beleif than actually challenge yourself to see if what you believe is true. What you're doing is wrong. You're throwing up scripture in an attempt to overwhelm your opposition, yet offer absolutely no interpretation or analysis with the scripture. Thus you're just firing crazy into a crowd. To me this shows you've simply read the scriptures and haven't studied them, ergo, I find it hard to listen to your opinion on the OSAS issue.

I'd respond to your scriptures, but you haven't shown the common courtesy or decency to respond to the ones I put forth, so I find no reason.

[Guest Called]

*sigh*

Again, called, you're using scripture to counteract against other scripture. This is borderline heretical in that it's an attempt to show a contradiction within the scripture. You have still ignored the scriptures and interpretations I've put forth. Thus I have to come to the conclusion that you're rather embrace a false beleif than actually challenge yourself to see if what you believe is true. What you're doing is wrong. You're throwing up scripture in an attempt to overwhelm your opposition, yet offer absolutely no interpretation or analysis with the scripture. Thus you're just firing crazy into a crowd. To me this shows you've simply read the scriptures and haven't studied them, ergo, I find it hard to listen to your opinion on the OSAS issue.

I'd respond to your scriptures, but you haven't shown the common courtesy or decency to respond to the ones I put forth, so I find no reason.

Call me a borderline heretic if you must, but my post was in reference to what Tess said...This is the last I will say on this subject, there are plenty of threads in the past that we have talked about OSAS, you can read those...

This is what Tess said...

I guess I'm just concerned because I'm really not hearing a lot of Scriptural support for the other belief. It's mostly been experiences and concerns. I'm not meaning to come off harsh or demanding (thought I tend to be kinda stubborn ) , but I'm just not going to budge in my belief until I see strong biblical evidence that I am wrong.

[apothanein kerdos]

That's the thing Called, anyone can take scripture and make it conform to a certain belief. If I wanted to, through much work, I could try to justify slavery. However anyone able to read the Greek/Hebrew and understand the history and culture would quickly tear that arguement down. If I wanted to I could say that God doesn't know the future by just quoting scripture after scripture. If I wanted to prove that we must work for our salvation I could do so by quoting scripture after scripture.

The problem with much of modern Christianity is we take scripture prima facia. We look at it and never go in depth on it. We never look at the context. We never read the commentaries on it. We never study the scripture. We read it and think, "I'm satisfied with this" when in all reality, we're missing the point.

[Orr v'emet]

Maybe I am beginning to see the light with this OSAS thing.  I feel both sides have valid arguments but the thing that sticks out to me is the huge danger of complacency in believing OSAS.  So many feel that they can get saved and then live their lives the way they want.  Some say that they will just have less crowns in heaven to lay at Jesus' feet.  I think it's sad really.  I would say that there is a good 80% of the active church members at my church who live lukewarm apathetic christian lives.  They feel eternity is secure for them so they live like the world during the week and then act holy on Sundays.  That is the real danger folks.  These people are missing a Spirit-filled, on fire for God life that they could have because they don't see the need to "work out" their salvation.

Use discernment about this Kris...that is all I will say....

what?

[Guest Called]

I will PM you...

[Orr v'emet]

That's the thing Called, anyone can take scripture and make it conform to a certain belief. If I wanted to, through much work, I could try to justify slavery. However anyone able to read the Greek/Hebrew and understand the history and culture would quickly tear that arguement down. If I wanted to I could say that God doesn't know the future by just quoting scripture after scripture. If I wanted to prove that we must work for our salvation I could do so by quoting scripture after scripture.

The problem with much of modern Christianity is we take scripture prima facia. We look at it and never go in depth on it. We never look at the context. We never read the commentaries on it. We never study the scripture. We read it and think, "I'm satisfied with this" when in all reality, we're missing the point.

How do you and Tess know that you are not missing the point? I see a failure to hear valid responses with an open mind. Stubborness as some have admitted to will not allow for an open mind...I know, I am stubborn too. Some other verses to consider in John 12:

1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

Any thoughts on these?

[apothanein kerdos]

That's the thing Called, anyone can take scripture and make it conform to a certain belief. If I wanted to, through much work, I could try to justify slavery. However anyone able to read the Greek/Hebrew and understand the history and culture would quickly tear that arguement down. If I wanted to I could say that God doesn't know the future by just quoting scripture after scripture. If I wanted to prove that we must work for our salvation I could do so by quoting scripture after scripture.

The problem with much of modern Christianity is we take scripture prima facia. We look at it and never go in depth on it. We never look at the context. We never read the commentaries on it. We never study the scripture. We read it and think, "I'm satisfied with this" when in all reality, we're missing the point.

How do you and Tess know that you are not missing the point? I see a failure to hear valid responses with an open mind. Stubborness as some have admitted to will not allow for an open mind...I know, I am stubborn too. Some other verses to consider in John 12:

1"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father's glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

Any thoughts on these?

If a valid arguement was put forth then show me. Again, I refuse to respond to any other scriptures until someone can respond to John 10:28 and Matthew 7. No one has even tried. You call me stubborn and that I'm failing to listen. Yet no one, NO ONE, has responded to a thing I've said. You say I might be missing the point, yet no one has even tried to counteract what I've said. Some on here say they've done study on the issue, yet not one ounce of study has been shown. I can say with fact I have done years of study on the issue and have been challenged. Unlike many others, I'm not afraid to have my beliefs challenged. I'm not afraid to explore if what I believe is true. I have done that with the OSAS issue. I have sought out scriptures that indicate a conditional salvation and explored them to see what they truly mean. I do not say any of this out of arrogance but to show that I am not some naive kid or some ignorant Christian on this issue. I have years of study, in depth study on this issue, under my belt, so I do expect to be treated with a little bit more common courtesy and have someone attempt to form a responce to what has been said. So what is your take on that?

As for your verse, Jesus is not speaking about salvation. He is talking about remaining in the Spirit of God. If we remain in the Spirit of God we will produce good fruit. If we step away from the leading of the Holy Spirit, we are useless to God. We are like (like is the key word there) a branch that has fallen from the tree. All this means is we have cut ourselves off from the Spirit and refused its power. It in no way says we've lost our salvation. Again, refrence John 10:28 for proof.

[Orr v'emet]

You know, this debate has ceased to be a healthy debate. I don't like the tone that is over it so I am going to bow out.