Sin, once repented, always forgiven?

[Guest Called]

Tess, we have all been sinners.

[Kabowd]

Well, that was a nice commentary Bob but it lacks scriptural support. You referred to one verse in the entire post (which was responded to earlier - in context).

Again, you tell a wonderful story of your testimony, and some scenarios. Where is the Scripture? Where is the response to the Scriptures I've posted? Please, show me where I'm wrong specifically. I cannot change my view until I am shown by God's Word (not man's words) that I am incorrect.

God's relationship to us is likened to a Father and a child. If you have a biological son, when can that son ever stop being your son? He can rebel, he can stray..he can go so far as to change his looks and even his name. But he cannot change his DNA, he is yours.

Again, I'm really needing someone to respond to the things I've posted earlier. Thanks.

[Kabowd]

Called, I appreciate the response. I believe I already addressed the Hebrews verses earlier. I would agree that we should submit to God daily, and that we should seek to live as sin-free as possible so that our fellowship with God isn't hindered. However, from what I understand in Scripture, when we sin Christ's blood is sufficient to cover it. If that weren't the case, why did He come? In the Old Covenant the blood of bulls and goats was not enough, so it had to be continually applied. But when Christ came, He died once..and it was enough.

If salvation cannot be guaranteed, why send Christ? Why send the Holy Spirit?

"Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set His seal of ownership on us, and put His Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." 2 Corinthians 1:21

[Orr v'emet]

Bob, I appreciate your comments and note your change of heart from past discussions about this subject. As I have always said...I ride the fence on this issue. I am usually the first in my Sunday School class to say that a person is not OSAS but I am usually on these boards questioning the opposite. Weird I know. Anywho...there is one thing that stuck out that I disagree with. You said that OSAS and eternal security are not the same thing. I see them interchangably. I have never been to a church that taught OSAS allows you to live the way you want post conversion experience. Every church I have been to preaches repentance and obedience. It would probably floor me if any pastor told the congregation that they needed to get saved but could return to their old way of life.

[Guest Called]

Bob, I appreciate your comments and note your change of heart from past discussions about this subject. As I have always said...I ride the fence on this issue. I am usually the first in my Sunday School class to say that a person is not OSAS but I am usually on these boards questioning the opposite. Weird I know. Anywho...there is one thing that stuck out that I disagree with. You said that OSAS and eternal security are not the same thing. I see them interchangably. I have never been to a church that taught OSAS allows you to live the way you want post conversion experience. Every church I have been to preaches repentance and obedience. It would probably floor me if any pastor told the congregation that they needed to get saved but could return to their old way of life.

Kristy a preacher may not say it, but it definitely goes along with OSAS... It is so easy to be a Christian and believe OSAS! Why do you think that Jason and Amy or other people from your Sunday School class do what they want and are lukewarm? Because they believe they can do whatever they want and they will still go to heaven...

They are Sunday Christians and the rest of the week they serve the devil and the Word says that you cannot serve two masters...

[Orr v'emet]

Bob, I appreciate your comments and note your change of heart from past discussions about this subject.  As I have always said...I ride the fence on this issue.  I am usually the first in my Sunday School class to say that a person is not  OSAS but I am usually on these boards questioning the opposite.  Weird I know.  Anywho...there is one thing that stuck out that I disagree with.  You said that OSAS and eternal security are not the same thing.  I see them interchangably.  I have never been to a church that taught OSAS allows you to live the way you want post conversion experience.  Every church I have been to preaches repentance and obedience.  It would probably floor me if any pastor told the congregation that they needed to get saved but could return to their old way of life.

Kristy a preacher may not say it, but it definitely goes along with OSAS... It is so easy to be a Christian and believe OSAS! Why do you think that Jason and Amy or other people from your Sunday School class do what they want and are lukewarm? Because they believe they can do whatever they want and they will still go to heaven...

They are Sunday Christians and the rest of the week they serve the devil and the Word says that you cannot serve two masters...

Ugh...where is the smiley with the thing beating his head against the wall?

I don't know. I can't say what 95% of the people in my Sunday School class believe. I wonder if they have had a true encounter with God anyway. I mean, once you have, how can you ever be the same? I assume you feel eternal security and OSAS aren't the same thing?

[Guest Called]

Bob, I appreciate your comments and note your change of heart from past discussions about this subject.

[Orr v'emet]

I guess my next question would be then, what is rejection. For instance. I never told God I didn't want Him in my life. I was simply apathetic...I guess I knew He would be there when I needed Him. There was always that urging (I assumed to be from the Holy Spirit) that I needed to be obeying God and growing in Him. I was just apathetic to try. So did my lack of action say that I was rejecting Him? I would venture to say no since the Holy Spirit was always nawing at me, so to speak.

[BobTriez]

I have never been to a church that taught OSAS allows you to live the way you want post conversion experience. Every church I have been to preaches repentance and obedience. It would probably floor me if any pastor told the congregation that they needed to get saved but could return to their old way of life.

I haven't either Kristin....it would never be that obvious. But the underlying belief is in fact to downplay the need for true repentance. You just can not be close to God when you have barriers in the way. And OSAS can make for a weak Christian ( not all, but many ). I have been fighting this issue with the Lord for 3 year - and doubting OSAS since my "encounter" with the world....yet I never wanted to let go....why ? It's an easy ticket to feeling good. But not all things are easy are they ? Repentance is painful, but it induces discipline and discipline produces obedience....and nothing is more pleasant in His eyes than an obedient child :il:

If we are robots, then OSAS is fine....but if we have a love relationship with Jesus, OSAS can't be true...it just can't. No matter how hard one tries to deny it, it makes grace a license for sin and that is dangerous....I'm not saying that folks who believe in OSAS are going to hell....not at all...but sadly many are and they are based on this belief, and that scares me.....a lot.

Hope that made sense......

[Orr v'emet]

I have never been to a church that taught OSAS allows you to live the way you want post conversion experience.  Every church I have been to preaches repentance and obedience.  It would probably floor me if any pastor told the congregation that they needed to get saved but could return to their old way of life.

I haven't either Kristin....it would never be that obvious. But the underlying belief is in fact to downplay the need for true repentance. You just can not be close to God when you have barriers in the way. And OSAS can make for a weak Christian ( not all, but many ). I have been fighting this issue with the Lord for 3 year - and doubting OSAS since my "encounter" with the world....yet I never wanted to let go....why ? It's an easy ticket to feeling good. But not all things are easy are they ? Repentance is painful, but it induces discipline and discipline produces obedience....and nothing is more pleasant in His eyes than an obedient child :il:

If we are robots, then OSAS is fine....but if we have a love relationship with Jesus, OSAS can't be true...it just can't. No matter how hard one tries to deny it, it makes grace a license for sin and that is dangerous....I'm not saying that folks who believe in OSAS are going to hell....not at all...but sadly many are and they are based on this belief, and that scares me.....a lot.

Hope that made sense......

I don't know Bob...It is a hard pill to swallow...I mean...if this isn't true, then I need to run home to...I should pm this to you....