Pre-Trib Rapture... Here Are Big Time Evidence

[Guest Strservant]

Dad Ernie,

This will be my last post on this as I can see that this is getting us nowhere. It is sad that you take my posts which have been meant in love and try to make it out like I am looking to get you in trouble with the moderators instead of what I am truly trying to do and that is to show you that I don't feel God is pleased with one brother calling another brother a heretic on an issue that there is no general concensus on in the first place. I have tried also to say that you may very well be correct in your views. I could care less about getting someone in trouble with the moderators here unless they are using foul language or degrading God. You are my brother in Christ and one day we will stand together and know all the answers but until then I don't think it is beneficial for any of us to be calling the other a heretic. As I said I will not respond to you again on this specific topic as we are just not on the same page. It is my prayer that you will understand that my concern was from the heart and not an attempt to get you into trouble with the mods.

Respectfully,

Strservant

[Trinity]

If ONLY the saints remained alive during the Mill. reign of Christ, then who are these:

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

Simple, this is the war of Armageddon. Good vr. Evil, God vrs. Man, This war is in the Tribulation The War to end all Wars. So Revelation 19:19 has nothing to do if the Bad guys will go into the Kingdom.

I'm sorry but the (kingdom of God) is going to be AWESOMELY GREAT! Why would God reward Sin with Good and let them into the most Awesome place? Just wondering.

Oh, at the end of the 1000 yr. reign there will be sin but not in the beginning, God won't let those who took the mark or did not except Christ into the kingdom

Edited August 21, 2004 by Trinity

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Trinity,

Simple, this is the war of Armageddon. Good vr. Evil, God vrs. Man, This war is in the Tribulation The War to end all Wars. So Revelation 19:19 has nothing to do if the Bad guys will go into the Kingdom.

Well it now becomes very obvious you do not know, nor distinguished between these two:

Revelation 16:16-17 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

I'm sorry but the (kingdom of God) is going to be AWESOMELY GREAT! Why would God reward Sin with Good and let them into the most Awesome place? Just wondering.

Again, you neither know the scriptures, nor do you properly exegete them. Consider (This shall be when Satan is bound for the 1,000 years):

Zechariah 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:16-17 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

So during the reign of Christ and all His saints for those 1,000 years, ALL THOSE WHO REMAIN IN THE NATIONS shall pay homage to Christ and HIM ALONE, and if they don't THEY DIE.

Oh, at the end of the 1000 yr. reign there will be sin but not in the beginning, God won't let those who took the mark or did not except Christ into the kingdom

You absolutely astound me. You claim that ONLY those who are CHANGED shall reign with the Lord and enter into His Kingdom on this earth, and then you say there is no sin at the beginning BUT there will be at the end. You ARE screwy with that kind of thinking. The SAINTS OF GOD are never going to be sinning EVER AGAIN AFTER BEING CHANGED!

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Strservant,

This will be my last post on this as I can see that this is getting us nowhere. It is sad that you take my posts which have been meant in love and try to make it out like I am looking to get you in trouble with the moderators instead of what I am truly trying to do and that is to show you that I don't feel God is pleased with one brother calling another brother a heretic on an issue that there is no general concensus on in the first place. I have tried also to say that you may very well be correct in your views. I could care less about getting someone in trouble with the moderators here unless they are using foul language or degrading God. You are my brother in Christ and one day we will stand together and know all the answers but until then I don't think it is beneficial for any of us to be calling the other a heretic. As I said I will not respond to you again on this specific topic as we are just not on the same page. It is my prayer that you will understand that my concern was from the heart and not an attempt to get you into trouble with the mods.

I have NEVER thought that you were "out to make trouble for me", BUT if you think your tirade against me for saying the word "heretic" or "heresy" is inappropriate, then by ALL means, I suggest you speak to George or the moderators. Perhaps they might do something that all your huffing and puffing could not do.

Again if you will have followed the exchange between Trinity and I, you can see that he does not know the scriptures and cannot respond without twisting or adding to or omitting relevant scriptures. He AND the pretribbers are preaching a FALSE doctrine, which I have shown in very great detail through my myriad of posts are nothing but men's fables. WE ARE GIVEN WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW REGARDING THE END DAYS. The Holy Spirit was given to LEAD US INTO ALL TRUTH AND REVEAL TO US WHAT IS TO COME. So please take it up with God and the scriptures. Perhaps THEN you shall be enlightened.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Trinity]

Well it now becomes very obvious you do not know, nor distinguished between these two:

O boy, lol i mest up once you mest up 100 times, get over yourself. lol those confuse me sometimes LOL...

let me correct myself...

The saints will not sin, but their offspring will, so their offspring will rebell agianst God.

Revelation 20:4 says, "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their forehead or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

Red = "The Church"

Blue = "The Tribulation saints"

I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God.

As you see here there are two Groups, The Church and the saved people who came out of the Tribulation called the "Saints".

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Trinity,

The saints will not sin, but their offspring will, so their offspring will rebell agianst God.

You just keep making it worse. The Saints of God will ALL be changed, they will no longer have children. They will be like the angels in heaven, neither marrying or given in marriage. The Lord will be their husband.

You just keep getting flakier and flakier.

Blessings

Dad Ernie

[Trinity]

Yes the saints will have children.

[Trinity]

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[Trinity]

You say that its going to be the people who took the "Mark of the beast" who are going to repopulate the Earth.

Revelation 20: 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

If their alive and populating the earth, how can they be dead?

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Trinity,

Revelation 20: 11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

If their alive and populating the earth, how can they be dead?

Don't you ever read the scriptures WITHOUT taking it out of context? What do you think occurs here?

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie