BlindSeeker Posted July 29, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 68 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,096 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 440 Days Won: 5 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2010 We need to fight this in the spiritual realm. Amen. Everything else is futile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 30, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 30, 2010 Are you sure? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 31, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2010 I wonder about the outcome of this trial if this young woman a Muslim, and refused the same thing based on her beliefs? Things have come this far off the rails because good people have done nothing to stand up for themselves. History is repeating itself again. So true; standing still and waiting for the enemy to kill you just goes against the grain. I don't think God wants us to promote, condone or support perversion. At least, I've never found anything in Scripture that says this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyguy Posted July 31, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 373 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 3,331 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 71 Days Won: 10 Joined: 10/15/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/24/1965 Share Posted July 31, 2010 Our idea of "persecution" in America is when someone speaks to us mean. Try living in a country where sharing the gospel could cost you your head - literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 Our idea of "persecution" in America is when someone speaks to us mean. Try living in a country where sharing the gospel could cost you your head - literally. It all started some where bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.07 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2010 Our idea of "persecution" in America is when someone speaks to us mean. Try living in a country where sharing the gospel could cost you your head - literally. This is true. We are blessed beyond measure to live in countries where we can speak out about just about anything and we are free to worship as we wish. We have to take care to guard and exercise those freedoms though; like anything else it's 'use it or lose it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2010 Axx, People who want to go college to become couselors, but don't want to counsel people who have serious sexual deviancy issues is kinda strange to begin with. Did you even read the article? She wasn't refusing to treat them she was refusing to treat them the way that that profession demands, as if there were othing wrong with it and it wasn't a sin. peace, dave LOL...ummmm...yeah, and i've read it again. It doesn't say what you claim. It says specifically..."She was removed from the school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 Exactly, LOL...ummmm...yeah, and i've read it again. It doesn't say what you claim. It says specifically..."She was removed from the school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2010 She refused the treat a patient because it conflicted with her closely held Religious convictions and her faith. It's exactly what I said and it is persecution. peace, dave You said "She wasn't refusing to treat them she was refusing to treat them the way that that profession demands..." That is not true. 1) She did refuse to treat them. 2) The profession was giving her A's in her class even though she was plainly espousing her views (part of the judges comments.) Her views aren't the issue. She is supposed to counsel people according to ACA standards no matter what her personal beliefs are...and she REFUSED to even see the client! If anything...she persecuted the client by allowing her personal biases cloud her obligation to help the client. That flies in the face of ANY counseling...christian, secular, personal, or professional. If a gay person attempted to set aside some time with you for counseling...would you refuse to speak with them? What other type of sinners are we to refuse to talk to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthitjah Posted August 1, 2010 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.26 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 1, 2010 She refused the treat a patient because it conflicted with her closely held Religious convictions and her faith. It's exactly what I said and it is persecution. peace, dave You said "She wasn't refusing to treat them she was refusing to treat them the way that that profession demands..." That is not true. 1) She did refuse to treat them. 2) The profession was giving her A's in her class even though she was plainly espousing her views (part of the judges comments.) Her views aren't the issue. She is supposed to counsel people according to ACA standards no matter what her personal beliefs are...and she REFUSED to even see the client! If anything...she persecuted the client by allowing her personal biases cloud her obligation to help the client. That flies in the face of ANY counseling...christian, secular, personal, or professional. If a gay person attempted to set aside some time with you for counseling...would you refuse to speak with them? What other type of sinners are we to refuse to talk to? I'd talk to the gay person. However, her personal conviction is not my own. Yes, she was refusing to treat them the way that the ACA demands because of her Faith and personal Religious convictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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